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bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 5:07:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer So If the rumors that Hunter wants to be the top paid DE in NFL are true, I'd be inclined to try and trade him for a top 5 draft pick (Dallas?) And take Wilson with the pick. Then best OL next (or move back a little and get 2 best Guards with the capital). Just dreaming. First we need to dump Spiels and Zimmer. Possibly another dream... We'd need to draft a top DE too or do you plan to go another season with no pass rush?

kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 5:12:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer So If the rumors that Hunter wants to be the top paid DE in NFL are true, I'd be inclined to try and trade him for a top 5 draft pick (Dallas?) And take Wilson with the pick. Then best OL next (or move back a little and get 2 best Guards with the capital). Just dreaming. First we need to dump Spiels and Zimmer. Possibly another dream... Spiels isnt't going anywhere. They will point to Jefferson, Gladney, Dantzler and Cleveland being in the starting lineup with Wonum and Lynch making contributions and call it a successful draft, no matter how much better it could have been. I don't think Zim is going anywhere either. They will point to Pierce, Hunter, Kendricks, Barr, etc. being out and give him a pass. Agreed, unfortunately. They will also point at Covid, even though the rest of the league had to deal with it too.

kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 5:16:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer So If the rumors that Hunter wants to be the top paid DE in NFL are true, I'd be inclined to try and trade him for a top 5 draft pick (Dallas?) And take Wilson with the pick. Then best OL next (or move back a little and get 2 best Guards with the capital). Just dreaming. First we need to dump Spiels and Zimmer. Possibly another dream... We'd need to draft a top DE too or do you plan to go another season with no pass rush? Very true. Wonnum and Odin ain't enough. Change plan to Best Guard and DE with draft capital gained from trade back from #14 (or whatever it is) hopefully higher with 6-10 record.....

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 5:31:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen KC is almost assuredly staying in 2021. QB could still be the biggest need because Cousins isn't getting $45 million in 2022. Biggest gaps: - G - G (assuming Cleveland to LT) - DE (depending on Hunter's status) - 3T - S/LB Priorities: - QB - OL - DL After the third day of the 2021 league year his $45ml for 2022 becomes guarenteed.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 5:53:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Brad, Have you seen the improvement in cousins in the last 5 or 6 games? moving in pocket better, not great, but better. Running at times. mostly for his life. is overpaid, but have little choice for another year. OL and play calling a bigger problem. Bottom line is that Cousins is not worth anything close to what he is being paid. He is also not close to one of the ten worst QB in football. Name 10 starting quarterbacks that are worse. Mullens Lock Goff Jones It's actually closer than I thought: Better than: Cam Newton Darnold Carr Smith Trubisky Debatable: Bridgewater Garoppolo Wentz Ryan Tua Burrow Let me help: Better than: Cam, Smith/Hoskins, Trubisky, Darnold Carr, Lock, Stafford, Garropolo, Wentz, Ryan, Tua, Burrow, Herbert, Rivers, Minshew, Jones, Teddy, Baker Mayfield, and Goff. I would take Darnold, Carr, Stafford, Herbert, Burrow or Bridgewater over him. Herbert and Burrow are going to be stars. Stafford and Carr are aggressive and often that's what gets them in trouble, but at least they are trying to win games and have the ability to lead their teams to a comeback. You'll get no arguments from me on Cam, Trubisky, Lock, Wentz, Ryan, Jones or Goff. IMO, Goff is arguably the worst quarterback in the league. He is killing the Rams.

Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 6:14:04 PM)
So many brilliant football minds on this forum. I can't believe some of you are wasting your time posting in here and aren’t running an organization. Fire the front office, fire the coaches, change the schemes, trade or cut half the players, then we will have something! Gonna be another long and fun offseason in Viking land. But on a different note, Merry Christmas everyone and I hope you have a great holiday season!

The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 6:53:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen KC is almost assuredly staying in 2021. QB could still be the biggest need because Cousins isn't getting $45 million in 2022. Biggest gaps: - G - G (assuming Cleveland to LT) - DE (depending on Hunter's status) - 3T - S/LB Priorities: - QB - OL - DL I believe that $45 million locks in almost immediately this offseason. The choice is eat all the dead cap with no QB this year or accept the last two years fully guaranteed, and the choice happens almost right away when the league (and offseason) starts. For better or for worse, the Vikings are keeping Cousins next year. Depending on how things shake out the last two games we could be drafting in the top 10. If so, does Spielman grab an OG or QBOTF? Assuming Hunter and Pierce are okay next year, 2 OG's and a 3T DT could make this team a superbowl contender, plus Spielman has shown he's an abject failure drafting olinemen after the 2nd rd. However, its not often (thankfully) that the Vikes are in a position to draft a legit QBOTF. 2 OG's and a 3T DT could make this team a superbowl contender. With Beebe at 3WR? Jones at nickel/dime? Unknown at S? Assuming all 3 (G, G, 3T) work out? Bradbury? The coaching? Game management? There is fandom and there is.... Wow! LOL! The Vikings 3rd WR isn't going to be the determining factor as to whether or not they're a superbowl contender. And yes, that's assuming all 3 positions work out. I guess I should have said 2 "good" OG's and a "good" DT? Seemed kind of obvious in the context of my statement... I think Bradbury has taken a step forward this year and with decent players on either side of him it's logical to expect further improvement. Could coaching and game management sink the team's chances? Of course, but on paper, the Vikings absolutely have the talent to be contenders next year.

paulgly -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 6:58:54 PM)
I believe Spielman may have crushed this draft. And this is coming from someone who still believes he should be on the thinnest of ice. Jefferson is clearly a star already - which is incredibly rare for a WR. Dantzler has Pro Bowl potential IMO (he's been one of the highest graded CBs in the NFL the past few weeks). I think Gladney can be a very solid slot CB. Jury still out on Cleveland. Wonnum has potential and I think could greatly benefit playing on the other side of Hunter. Honestly, if you hit on 5 guys in a draft as solid starters (and again, jury is still out), that should be considered a very good draft. I believe it could be on par with the 2015 draft. The problem is all the years in between that have been mediocre at best. And his failures on the offensive line and QB will prove to be the undoing IMO. I will say the 2nd half of this year has been Cousins' best football - at least since he's been in purple. He is getting better in the pocket, and escaping pressure. Definitely still holds on to the ball too long. But he has been saddled with some of the worst interior offensive line play I've ever seen. Whether you go by PFF grades or the eye test, I don't know who could dispute that. And say what you want about the guy - he always gets back up. Never misses a game. He absolutely needs to trust his receivers more. I think he's a better than average QB though. Just a terrible fit with a bad offensive line. That's what Keenum brought in 2017; I don't think the OL was any great shakes, he could just move around a lot better. I don't think we can take a significant step with this philosophy. Our 2 minute offense is embarrassing. It's week 14 and the same s**t keeps happening. The playcalling sucks, but even beyond that, it seems like people don't where they're supposed to be. Nothing like 8-9 minute drives when you're trying to make up a 18 point deficit. Just....a facepalm. I do think they need a coaching enema, and wouldn't be overly sad if that meant Spielman is gone too. I think Zimmer is a good coach, but his fatal flaws in game management, clock management, people management, are the reason we will never get there with him. The way we play leaves zero margin for error - and that's with a good defense.

paulgly -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 7:04:44 PM)
how the hell do you put more than 1 space between sentences on here? I'm sorry about the wall of text above haha!

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 7:09:10 PM)
A nice video here showing off the hands of Jefferson with some of his best catches. https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1341163691241291779?s=20

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 7:33:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer So If the rumors that Hunter wants to be the top paid DE in NFL are true, I'd be inclined to try and trade him for a top 5 draft pick (Dallas?) And take Wilson with the pick. Then best OL next (or move back a little and get 2 best Guards with the capital). Just dreaming. First we need to dump Spiels and Zimmer. Possibly another dream... We'd need to draft a top DE too or do you plan to go another season with no pass rush? Very true. Wonnum and Odin ain't enough. Change plan to Best Guard and DE with draft capital gained from trade back from #14 (or whatever it is) hopefully higher with 6-10 record..... Funny you guys talk about that. Did you watch the Giants Cle game last night? They were talking about how good the Giants D line is vs the run (and they are), but how they need a pass rushing DE to take their D to another level. I was actually thinking how it would make sense to trade Hunter. It's questionable whether he wants to be on the team, and apparently there is a contract rift with the team. If you could trade him to the NY Giants for their 1st and 2nd rounder....would you do it? I would. I have questions too about his long term health. Anytime you have spine and neck issues.....not good. Trading Hunter for 2 top picks could be a way to start rebuilding this D.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 8:35:21 PM)
Mackenzie Alexander is having a monster of a game for the bengals tonight!

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/21/2020 8:59:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Mackenzie Alexander is having a monster of a game for the bengals tonight! Probably the best I've ever seen him play... breaking on passes like he knows the play.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 1:31:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly how the hell do you put more than 1 space between sentences on here? I'm sorry about the wall of text above haha! You have to hit return. The software won’t show spaces unless you use dots....... I always break long post up with double returns.

Viking Rich -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 2:28:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen I think we remain at 14th in the draft. Maybe take an undersized guard. Zone blocking and all. Good point. So tired of these undersized guards getting tossed around like ragdolls. Give me some monsters that smash people.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 8:13:11 AM)
Kind of thought the Steelers were a bit of a mirage this year. They don't look like they could beat anybody right now.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 8:16:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Kind of thought the Steelers were a bit of a mirage this year. They don't look like they could beat anybody right now. Something is wrong with Ben. It’s undisclosed yet fantasy advice people were ranking him really low this week and saying something is up with his ability to throw with velocity. It showed.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 10:19:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer So If the rumors that Hunter wants to be the top paid DE in NFL are true, I'd be inclined to try and trade him for a top 5 draft pick (Dallas?) And take Wilson with the pick. Then best OL next (or move back a little and get 2 best Guards with the capital). Just dreaming. First we need to dump Spiels and Zimmer. Possibly another dream... We'd need to draft a top DE too or do you plan to go another season with no pass rush? Very true. Wonnum and Odin ain't enough. Change plan to Best Guard and DE with draft capital gained from trade back from #14 (or whatever it is) hopefully higher with 6-10 record..... Funny you guys talk about that. Did you watch the Giants Cle game last night? They were talking about how good the Giants D line is vs the run (and they are), but how they need a pass rushing DE to take their D to another level. I was actually thinking how it would make sense to trade Hunter. It's questionable whether he wants to be on the team, and apparently there is a contract rift with the team. If you could trade him to the NY Giants for their 1st and 2nd rounder....would you do it? I would. I have questions too about his long term health. Anytime you have spine and neck issues.....not good. Trading Hunter for 2 top picks could be a way to start rebuilding this D. I think you guys are dreaming if you think we can get even one first round pick. We'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 10:24:34 AM)
I want to say that Tyler Conklin is making me a believer. That TD run was a thing of beauty. He catches the ball, and does something with it after the catch. and doesn't just go down on first contact. Rudy would've been tackled on that play. Plus TC is a better blocker... More complete package and more consistant than Irv Smith Jr.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 10:25:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kevinemmer So If the rumors that Hunter wants to be the top paid DE in NFL are true, I'd be inclined to try and trade him for a top 5 draft pick (Dallas?) And take Wilson with the pick. Then best OL next (or move back a little and get 2 best Guards with the capital). Just dreaming. First we need to dump Spiels and Zimmer. Possibly another dream... I think he knows he needs to comeback and have a monster year before anybody is going to care what he thinks he should get.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 10:57:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott I want to say that Tyler Conklin is making me a believer. That TD run was a thing of beauty. He catches the ball, and does something with it after the catch. and doesn't just go down on first contact. Rudy would've been tackled on that play. Plus TC is a better blocker... More complete package and more consistant than Irv Smith Jr. He's shown it in the past two seasons as well. In those two seasons we gave him all of seventeen targets which he turned into thirteen catches for 135 yards. This year we've given him fourteen targets which he's turned into twelve catches for 123 yards and a TD. We took him in the fifth round of the 2018 draft. Next year will be the final year of his four-year deal and only now are we figuring out he's as good or better than Rudolph. Fire Spielman. Fire Zimmer.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 11:03:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott I want to say that Tyler Conklin is making me a believer. That TD run was a thing of beauty. He catches the ball, and does something with it after the catch. and doesn't just go down on first contact. Rudy would've been tackled on that play. Plus TC is a better blocker... More complete package and more consistant than Irv Smith Jr. His earlier reception was just as impressive. Caught the ball immediately turned upfield and when the defense held up a bit because it looked like he as heading out of bounds, he cut back towards the middle of the field and picked up a bunch of extra yards. He's probably our best TE.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 11:40:11 AM)
Making the Pro Bowl as an NFC inside linebacker over Bucs’ Devin White and Lavonte David was the 49ers’ Fred Warner, who has no sacks, no forced fumbles, two INTs, four TFLs and 101 tackles. (Greg Auman on Twitter) Or Kendricks.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 11:44:41 AM)
Conklin is a big guy. Coaches need to burn it into his mind that he can run over people. Rudy hasnt exactly set a good example of this

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/22/2020 12:01:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Conklin is a big guy. Coaches need to burn it into his mind that he can run over people. Rudy hasnt exactly set a good example of this I'm pretty sure he knows that already. Its on the coaches for not using him more.

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