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Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 2:16:53 PM)

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Dustin Bsker:
Mike Zimer has coached 101 total games for the Vikings.

Of those 101 games, the opponent has passed for 300+ yards--10 times.

Or 9.9% of games.

This ranks #1 in the NFL since the start of 2014

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A lot of criticism over the years about Zim's old school philosophy of running and dtopping the run. Yet we have this and we've managed to be middle of pack passing at least.


I wonder how many times our quarterbacks passed for over 300 yards during the same period.


13 including the playoffs by my count.


That would be nothing to boast about.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 2:21:30 PM)

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Dustin Bsker:
Mike Zimer has coached 101 total games for the Vikings.

Of those 101 games, the opponent has passed for 300+ yards--10 times.

Or 9.9% of games.

This ranks #1 in the NFL since the start of 2014

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A lot of criticism over the years about Zim's old school philosophy of running and dtopping the run. Yet we have this and we've managed to be middle of pack passing at least.


I wonder how many times our quarterbacks passed for over 300 yards during the same period.


13 including the playoffs by my count.


Mahomes has 18 by himself in just the last 2 years...




beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 2:39:11 PM)

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Dustin Bsker:
Mike Zimer has coached 101 total games for the Vikings.

Of those 101 games, the opponent has passed for 300+ yards--10 times.

Or 9.9% of games.

This ranks #1 in the NFL since the start of 2014

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A lot of criticism over the years about Zim's old school philosophy of running and dtopping the run. Yet we have this and we've managed to be middle of pack passing at least.


I wonder how many times our quarterbacks passed for over 300 yards during the same period.


13 including the playoffs by my count.


Mahomes has 18 by himself in just the last 2 years...


OH YEAH!!! Well how many superbowl wins does he have...

Oh... really? Hmm...

Well I bet he isn't happy...

He is??? SON OF A #@$%@!




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 4:05:40 PM)

We have an interesting development here with the schedule. It will be released tomorrow, but we have some information today. I must say this makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

https://twitter.com/DailyNorseman/status/1258140143623344129?s=20




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 4:22:15 PM)

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.



Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.


You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

No it doesn't logically follow. I stated that we didn't USE a slot WR much. Not that we didn't have a slot wr. Bruce stated that, but I don't think that is what he meant. The Vikings had very qualified slot receivers last year and still didn't use it much. We only play 2 WRs most of the time so low use of slot could simply be the plan. Drafting Jefferson could be for no other reason than the Vikings seeing him as the best WR available. On the other hand you could be right. It could mean that we do intend to use the slot more this season, but it doesn't logically follow.


Why are you sticking your nose in this?

Why are you. You replied to me. OP Bruce, reply Bigo, reply KG, reply Bigo.


OK why DID you stick your nose in this? I figured I was replying to Bruce's reply to me, but noooo, you had stuck your nose in it. I guess I should have known it was you, because the reply was largely disconnected from the ongoing discussion. But you just couldn't help yourself.

My comment was very connected. As you know I take logic seriously and by the rules of logic it was possible, but it certainly did not follow.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 4:29:14 PM)

I didn't know who Tony Brooks-James was so I had to look it up. He's a Viking right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Brooks-James




Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 4:49:48 PM)

So if states like Illinois won't allow gatherings of 50 people until there is a vaccine how will football return?




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 5:18:31 PM)

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So if states like Illinois won't allow gatherings of 50 people until there is a vaccine how will football return?


Games will be played w/o fans and/or they will have to play away games. When you consider how much in taxes generated by having home games (visiting football players). I don't see it counting for Football.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 5:28:01 PM)

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So if states like Illinois won't allow gatherings of 50 people until there is a vaccine how will football return?


Games will be played w/o fans and/or they will have to play away games. When you consider how much in taxes generated by having home games (visiting football players). I don't see it counting for Football.

Phil do you mean an exception to the rule would be made for football? If not they still couldn't play them with or without fans. One football team with coaches water-boys and whatever is probably 100 people.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 5:40:45 PM)

They'll have to get creative.

For example, MGM resorts made a proposal to the NBA to have them finish their season here in Vegas.

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The pitch to the NBA and WNBA reportedly offered the Mandalay Bay as the hub of this quarantined block on the south end of the strip, with up to 24 basketball courts to be built in the connected convention center. The Mandalay Bay is connected to the Four Seasons and the Delano, with an enclosed walkway to the nearby Luxor Hotel which would house MGM service staff were the proposal accepted.

MGM’s offer apparently included the use of the trappings of typical Las Vegas vacations for those staying in the quarantined area, including spas, lounges, and even gaming areas.




Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 6:54:22 PM)

IDK...it feels like such a bastardized version of what sports are I'm not sure it's going to be good enough.




McMurfy -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 7:23:53 PM)

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I didn't know who Tony Brooks-James was so I had to look it up. He's a Viking right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Brooks-James



Wildly inconsistent and not that good as a College Player.

Do not need or want him.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 7:40:20 PM)

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.



Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.


You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

No it doesn't logically follow. I stated that we didn't USE a slot WR much. Not that we didn't have a slot wr. Bruce stated that, but I don't think that is what he meant. The Vikings had very qualified slot receivers last year and still didn't use it much. We only play 2 WRs most of the time so low use of slot could simply be the plan. Drafting Jefferson could be for no other reason than the Vikings seeing him as the best WR available. On the other hand you could be right. It could mean that we do intend to use the slot more this season, but it doesn't logically follow.


Why are you sticking your nose in this?

Why are you. You replied to me. OP Bruce, reply Bigo, reply KG, reply Bigo.


OK why DID you stick your nose in this? I figured I was replying to Bruce's reply to me, but noooo, you had stuck your nose in it. I guess I should have known it was you, because the reply was largely disconnected from the ongoing discussion. But you just couldn't help yourself.

My comment was very connected. As you know I take logic seriously and by the rules of logic it was possible, but it certainly did not follow.


We've already established that you do not know the rules of logic.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 7:58:52 PM)

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.



Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.


You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

No it doesn't logically follow. I stated that we didn't USE a slot WR much. Not that we didn't have a slot wr. Bruce stated that, but I don't think that is what he meant. The Vikings had very qualified slot receivers last year and still didn't use it much. We only play 2 WRs most of the time so low use of slot could simply be the plan. Drafting Jefferson could be for no other reason than the Vikings seeing him as the best WR available. On the other hand you could be right. It could mean that we do intend to use the slot more this season, but it doesn't logically follow.


Why are you sticking your nose in this?

Why are you. You replied to me. OP Bruce, reply Bigo, reply KG, reply Bigo.


OK why DID you stick your nose in this? I figured I was replying to Bruce's reply to me, but noooo, you had stuck your nose in it. I guess I should have known it was you, because the reply was largely disconnected from the ongoing discussion. But you just couldn't help yourself.

My comment was very connected. As you know I take logic seriously and by the rules of logic it was possible, but it certainly did not follow.


We've already established that you do not know the rules of logic.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself. The actions of a desperate man. Here's a little help for you Bigo. Before you try to declare something being logical give it this test. Do you have two true premises? If you don't stop right there. You can't make any logical conclusion. If you do have two or more true premises then you can establish something that logically follows or can be concluded. However, make sure you are eliminating all other possibilities before declaring your conclusion logical. It really isn't all that difficult you just need to make sure you are following all the steps.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 10:51:31 PM)

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.



Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.


You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

No it doesn't logically follow. I stated that we didn't USE a slot WR much. Not that we didn't have a slot wr. Bruce stated that, but I don't think that is what he meant. The Vikings had very qualified slot receivers last year and still didn't use it much. We only play 2 WRs most of the time so low use of slot could simply be the plan. Drafting Jefferson could be for no other reason than the Vikings seeing him as the best WR available. On the other hand you could be right. It could mean that we do intend to use the slot more this season, but it doesn't logically follow.


Why are you sticking your nose in this?

Why are you. You replied to me. OP Bruce, reply Bigo, reply KG, reply Bigo.


OK why DID you stick your nose in this? I figured I was replying to Bruce's reply to me, but noooo, you had stuck your nose in it. I guess I should have known it was you, because the reply was largely disconnected from the ongoing discussion. But you just couldn't help yourself.

My comment was very connected. As you know I take logic seriously and by the rules of logic it was possible, but it certainly did not follow.


We've already established that you do not know the rules of logic.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself. The actions of a desperate man. Here's a little help for you Bigo. Before you try to declare something being logical give it this test. Do you have two true premises? If you don't stop right there. You can't make any logical conclusion. If you do have two or more true premises then you can establish something that logically follows or can be concluded. However, make sure you are eliminating all other possibilities before declaring your conclusion logical. It really isn't all that difficult you just need to make sure you are following all the steps.


It's very nice that you can Google basic logical theory and copy paste as if it were your own thoughts. It would be nicer if you could actually apply that logical theory to the thought process.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 11:03:29 PM)

Matthew Coller has a new gig as a writer on the internet and he attempts to address many of or questions:

https://purpleinsider.substack.com/p/coming-soon




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/6/2020 11:30:33 PM)

I don't remember this game. I was 12 years old at the time. Some of you were probably not even born yet.

https://twitter.com/VikeFans/status/1258146750692548612?s=20




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2020 1:06:03 AM)

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Per NFL Next Gen Stats, Vikings QB Kirk Cousins led the NFL in average Time to Throw at 3.01 seconds per throw.

But Kirk was also the 8th most pressured QB in the NFL at 36.4% of his dropbacks.

Conclusion: Dude hangs onto the ball way too long. But we all knew that.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2020 1:17:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Matthew Coller has a new gig as a writer on the internet and he attempts to address many of or questions:

https://purpleinsider.substack.com/p/coming-soon


Leans heavy on the controversial WAR stat. [;)]

Not a peep about Oli Udoh




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2020 1:21:05 AM)

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Per NFL Next Gen Stats, Vikings QB Kirk Cousins led the NFL in average Time to Throw at 3.01 seconds per throw.

But Kirk was also the 8th most pressured QB in the NFL at 36.4% of his dropbacks.

Conclusion: Dude hangs onto the ball way too long. But we all knew that.


Or it means he built up that 3.01 seconds per throw via play action/rollouts, and our pass protection in conventional drop backs was a sieve.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2020 4:58:26 AM)

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Purple FTW! Podcast@PurpleForTheWin

Per NFL Next Gen Stats, Vikings QB Kirk Cousins led the NFL in average Time to Throw at 3.01 seconds per throw.

But Kirk was also the 8th most pressured QB in the NFL at 36.4% of his dropbacks.

Conclusion: Dude hangs onto the ball way too long. But we all knew that.


Or it means he built up that 3.01 seconds per throw via play action/rollouts, and our pass protection in conventional drop backs was a sieve.


Good point. Those plays probably don't work well when the running game is inept.
And it doesn't seem to work as well vs the Bears and Packers, perhaps because they see it twice a year. Both of those teams seem to have been better at shutting our running game down.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2020 8:55:58 AM)

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The Vikings last year featured a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, which was the lowest in the NFL. That was partly because of the injury to Thielen, but what has to be pointed out is that we didn't have a slot receiver very much. Jefferson is going to have to get used to lining up wide with the Vikings.



Isn't that more indicative that we would be in the 3 wide receiver set more in 2020 (going forward) because we now have a slot receiver in Jefferson?

I don't think so. Both Thielen and Diggs are experienced Slot receivers. We picked Jefferson in spite of his slot experience not because of it.


You stated that we didn't have a slot receiver very much, as a big reason we were in a three wide receiver set only 21% of the time, lowest in the NFL. So it follows logically that drafting Jefferson who IS very much a slot receiver, that we would be in 3 receiver sets more often.

No it doesn't logically follow. I stated that we didn't USE a slot WR much. Not that we didn't have a slot wr. Bruce stated that, but I don't think that is what he meant. The Vikings had very qualified slot receivers last year and still didn't use it much. We only play 2 WRs most of the time so low use of slot could simply be the plan. Drafting Jefferson could be for no other reason than the Vikings seeing him as the best WR available. On the other hand you could be right. It could mean that we do intend to use the slot more this season, but it doesn't logically follow.


Why are you sticking your nose in this?

Why are you. You replied to me. OP Bruce, reply Bigo, reply KG, reply Bigo.


OK why DID you stick your nose in this? I figured I was replying to Bruce's reply to me, but noooo, you had stuck your nose in it. I guess I should have known it was you, because the reply was largely disconnected from the ongoing discussion. But you just couldn't help yourself.

My comment was very connected. As you know I take logic seriously and by the rules of logic it was possible, but it certainly did not follow.


We've already established that you do not know the rules of logic.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself. The actions of a desperate man. Here's a little help for you Bigo. Before you try to declare something being logical give it this test. Do you have two true premises? If you don't stop right there. You can't make any logical conclusion. If you do have two or more true premises then you can establish something that logically follows or can be concluded. However, make sure you are eliminating all other possibilities before declaring your conclusion logical. It really isn't all that difficult you just need to make sure you are following all the steps.


It's very nice that you can Google basic logical theory and copy paste as if it were your own thoughts. It would be nicer if you could actually apply that logical theory to the thought process.

No googling involved. Logic comes so easy to me I knew that before I even took any logic classes. I almost always apply logic to anything I declare to be logical. I have forgotten some of the more complex logic theorems that I learned in college 14 years ago, but the simple stuff like this I know and apply almost every time. I say almost always because I am human and make a mistake once in a long while and if I do I readily admit it.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2020 8:59:12 AM)

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Purple FTW! Podcast@PurpleForTheWin

Per NFL Next Gen Stats, Vikings QB Kirk Cousins led the NFL in average Time to Throw at 3.01 seconds per throw.

But Kirk was also the 8th most pressured QB in the NFL at 36.4% of his dropbacks.

Conclusion: Dude hangs onto the ball way too long. But we all knew that.

This is a great example of something a person can jump to conclusions on and possibly be wrong. It doesn't logically follow that he hangs on to the ball too long. It may be true, but it hasn't been logically proven.




kwheats -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2020 12:04:24 PM)

@JeffDuncan_
Two Saints games I've been able to confirm via sources:

• Week 2: At Raiders on MNF
• Christmas Day vs. Vikings in Superdome




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (5/7/2020 2:29:26 PM)

Earl Thomas caught not social distancing:

https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/06/earl-thomas-wife-arrested-gun-baltimore-ravens-star-cheating-allegations/




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