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Ricky J -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/12/2020 8:27:39 AM)
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ORIGINAL: bohumm
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People who vote for Trump this time around are either racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, science deniers, etc, or they're willing to support a clear demagogue who embodies all of those things in order to get what they want. It may be law and order, abortion rights, financial considerations, etc, but the key is you have to say that whatever your thing is, it's more important than competence and the list of Trump attributes above. I get that some people may go that way, but it tells us a lot.....
**** off, and hunker down.
Todd, I've known you for over 20 years and never heard you come close to those kind of words before.
bohumn, I have a brother and son who'd put you in the emergency room if you said that to them face-to-face.
- I've always liked you a lot, man, but I think this thread is getting to you a little bit.
- I'd vore for Pete but no way in hell am I voting for Joe.
I can readily admit that our current situation is getting to me on a number of levels. Our country is in a multi-front crisis and I'm alarmed and disturbed by how we're responding. I think it's probably clear that much of that alarm and disturbance for me comes in response to Trump and his folks as well as the public health/public response to the virus, but it may surprise some that I was also deeply disturbed by the rioting, looting, and mayhem in response to the reprehensible conduct of the Minneapolis police. Protests and minor mayhem were appropriate, but as Mark said the major destruction, fires, injuries, and death were abhorrent as well as self-defeating. And, for what it's worth, I too think this will hurt Biden and Harris, though, ironically, they'll also get hurt from their left for being too law and order.
With regard to what I said above, I know it's provocative, but it's how I see things. It's also not as bad as it may sound; many don't get their candidate and decide on the basis of the pros and cons of the candidates available. I think there can be no denying that Trump embodies those things listed above and/or supports policies that comport with those attributes. That doesn't bother some as much as others, and indeed we have a significant portion of our society that aligns with him on those fronts. I believe that in 2016 there were a lot of people who voted for Trump because of a single issue like opposition to legal abortion, 2nd Amendment, or economic/regulatory policies, and hoped he would not be as bad as they feared he could be. This time around we can't deny what he is, like it or not. I also get that some people might not like him or or have severe misgivings, but also don't like Biden and have issues they feel strongly about like Todd with law and order.
But this election isn't happening in a vacuum. If you vote for Trump, you're voting for someone who openly called white supremacists "fine people," who still says he would have had no problem with the Central Park Five getting the death penalty, who has completely botched his response to the COVID-19 Coronavirus, and on and on. If a single issue overrides all that, I hope it's worth it.
To be candid, I don't know that I would have phrased this exactly like I did above face-to-face, so I appreciate Ricky calling me out. But the current state of our country is grinding on me, and the public health crisis we're in has brought to light such callous indifference in our society. I had my physical today, the last time I'll see this doctor who I really like (imagine not being able to see your own doctor....and it having nothing to do with Obamacare, and everything to do with corporate greed and failure of leadership at the national level). She said she's feeling the same way regarding our public health crisis and told me more stories like the ones I shared. Neither of us is on the front lines clinically with COVID-19, but we both have visibility into it; she is demoralized and worn out, and she's normally very upbeat. She's worried about her kids, not wanting them in school but not seeing what she wants out of remote learning, and seeing no end in sight to our current plight.
So, yeah, this is getting to me.
It's grinding on a lot of people. I personally have a hard time listening to the hard core on either side of this ... what's way worse is the racist ewen21 people of this world - they give me no hope
I just want to live in peace and not be bombarded with how much the world sucks every day.
- - I appreciate the response. I was hoping it wouldn't go negative
- A little story about my brother. On the way back from a funeral in Hutch' we stopped in for a Twins game. Great stuff. It was the game Escobar hit two out. After the game I bought my son a Rosario jersey and Jon couldn't decide on a Rosario or an Escobar - the two homers swayed his decision and of course he was traded after that ..
Anyway, it was a bitch getting out of the city with the construction. When we finally got going S I said something to set Jon off on a rant about Trump and how much the far left was F up the country. He never shut up until we got to Rochester. All I could do was kind of nod at certain spots in the one-sided conversation. Lawd!
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