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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I'm wondering, and maybe someone can offer an opinion here, is there a player or position of need that we've talked about that should be taken simply because the options are so poor after the first round? I'm assuming that we don't get a second round selection, or if we do it will be late in the round.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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maybe KC gives us a 2nd for reiff and a 4th....
i think we need to draft a lb more than a cb/te/wr....

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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maybe KC gives us a 2nd for reiff and a 4th....
i think we need to draft a lb more than a cb/te/wr....

If we dump Barr, that could also be in play. Between our cap situation and our personnel deficiencies we've created a minefield of an offseason......

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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maybe KC gives us a 2nd for reiff and a 4th....
i think we need to draft a lb more than a cb/te/wr....

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

This is what PFF says about Barmore in a recent mock draft, where he went 16th:

The Cardinals had seven different interior defenders play at least 150 defensive snaps last season, and the highest PFF grade from that group came courtesy of Corey Peters at 61.4. It should be a position that Arizona looks to upgrade, and Barmore is the clear-cut top interior defensive line prospect in the 2021 NFL Draft.

Barmore showed in the playoff games against Notre Dame and Ohio State why that is the case. He produced five-plus pressures in both games and looked unblockable at times against two good offensive lines. From build to flexibility to hand usage, Barmore has the tools necessary to be an impressive pass-rusher at the next level.

Maybe he's the guy and he's available.

Don't get cute and try to trade down. Take him at #14. He had his way with experienced high end OLineman.

He looks better than the Iowa DT.

I see no reason to trade down whatsoever. They can seemingly stay put at 14 and get an elite OL, DT, DE, WR, TE, or CB, all of which they need/could make really good use of. That means they have to take care of some needs in FA, which will be a challenge. In addition to the above, they also need a safety and maybe a LB. They are a couple of years away, minimum, of being truly competitive at the highest level unless they have an extraordinary offseason and get lucky.

At 14 they are in the running for the top 1-3 at those positions. Wild guess, 2nd-3rd rated OL, DE, CB, WR, and highest rated DT.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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maybe KC gives us a 2nd for reiff and a 4th....
i think we need to draft a lb more than a cb/te/wr....

The Reiff to KC idea has some merit as Fischer likely won't be back next year. I'd say a 3rd for Reiff and x, but their 2nd will be very low.

Fisher will likely be headed to injured reserve with his Achilles injury, Osemele suffered tendon tears in both knees in the Chiefs' loss to the Las Vegas Raiders in Week 5, Schwartz made his final brief appearance of the season against the Bills in Week 6 as he battled a back injury, Wylie will likely kick out to right tackle leaving Wisniewski (who returned to the Chiefs mid-season after signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers last offseason) to step in at right guard, and Remmers will move from right tackle to the left side.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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maybe KC gives us a 2nd for reiff and a 4th....
i think we need to draft a lb more than a cb/te/wr....

The Reiff to KC idea has some merit as Fischer likely won't be back next year. I'd say a 3rd for Reiff and x, but their 2nd will be very low.

Fisher will likely be headed to injured reserve with his Achilles injury, Osemele suffered tendon tears in both knees in the Chiefs' loss to the Las Vegas Raiders in Week 5, Schwartz made his final brief appearance of the season against the Bills in Week 6 as he battled a back injury, Wylie will likely kick out to right tackle leaving Wisniewski (who returned to the Chiefs mid-season after signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers last offseason) to step in at right guard, and Remmers will move from right tackle to the left side.

We got a 3rd for Ngokue. I can't imagine anyone giving up a 2nd or a 3rd for Reiff.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.

Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.

Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

Yeah. Many times it was a jailbreak.

TB defense very similar to their 1st SB team. Good at all levels. And they peaked at the right time.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.

Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.

Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.

Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.

I think you're rewriting history to fit your own narrative.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This suggests there will be a fair number of defensive tackles available in the third round. However, some of the better prospects are bigger (ie. probably nose tackles) or lack pass rushing ability. Do you see it that way? I'm saying that there is more pressure to select in the first round based on what I'm seeing.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DT.php

And at DE I see some high enders that will go in the first round, but the pickings might get skinny by the third round. There will be projects there that can be developed and that has been what the Vikings like to do based on history. I'm thinking that if you want a starter you better get one in the first round.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2021DE.php

We saw what a good pass rush can do to an elite offense.

Get the stud DT at #14 and find a DE later.

We also saw what a good pass rush can do when guys are covered.

Mahomes didn't have time to even look at his WRs before he was running for his life.

He threw 49 passes. It's very challenging for a defense to cover guys when the play has broken down. They did a phenomenal job on the back end.

It's almost as if you guys haven't watched a Kansas City game all season. He's been running for his life all year.

I think you're rewriting history to fit your own narrative.

He was sacked three-or-more times in five games this season. The kid is always on the run. He's not one to throw it into the stands like Brees or Wilson. He's always trying to make a play.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Rumor was that Mahomes had a bad Turf Toe so his mobility was somewhat hindered....they already planned offseason surgery on it.


The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport says sources are telling him that Mahomes will see a foot specialist for his turf toe injury. #Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes is expected to have surgery to repair his turf toe, sources say. But he'd like to win Super Bowl LV first. ... Turf toe is a sprain of the ligaments around the big toe.1 day ago