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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Pretty sure they will go with a veteran UFA at safety. Probably at guard too. Cut Reiff and Rudolph to help pay for their low to mid-tier contracts and help get out of the cap mess.

Cleveland to LT, sink or swim.

Draft DT and G. DE could be in the mix depending on Hunter.

And Pierce is still a questionmark.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

2016 draft.. reason all by itself to fire Spielman.

Passed on Derrick Henry to draft Treadwell.. then Mac Alexander rather than Cody Whitehair..

Then drafted willie beavers, with Dak Prescott sitting on the fourth round board..
Jimmy Jones new that Matt freakin Cassel and Tony Fumbles Romo were not a long term QB situation..

Spent a Fourth rounder on Prescott...

Completely out of spielmans mental wheelhouse.


Willie beavers... or Dak Prescott, when we had Sam Bradford backed up by Shaun hill..

Drafting for the future is an incomprehensible idea when your idea of good offense is 3 yards and a smear of carpet burns...

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I would like to see the Vikings stay put, or even---gasp---move up a bit to get the best OL, DL, CB, or WR available. I would even be very interested in the TE from Florida if he's really all that. With all the QBs, we could be in position to snag a top-ten player in terms of talent. There could very well be a top-five player from our board who is within reach of a small trade-up, and they would be well served to grab real talent instead of the usual approach of waiting for whomever drops to them (got lucky with JJ) or trade back to get extra picks.

Hey Rick, if you want a second-rounder so bad, maybe don't spend your next one to rent a player for six games who doesn't fit with what your team does and you won't be able to resign anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I would like to see the Vikings stay put, or even---gasp---move up a bit to get the best OL, DL, CB, or WR available. I would even be very interested in the TE from Florida if he's really all that. With all the QBs, we could be in position to snag a top-ten player in terms of talent. There could very well be a top-five player from our board who is within reach of a small trade-up, and they would be well served to grab real talent instead of the usual approach of waiting for whomever drops to them (got lucky with JJ) or trade back to get extra picks.

Hey Rick, if you want a second-rounder so bad, maybe don't spend your next one to rent a player for six games who doesn't fit with what your team does and you won't be able to resign anyway.

I wouldn't be looking at a tight end. Irv Smith was just starting to get his legs under him at the end of the season. IMO, he will be a much bigger part of the offense in 2021.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I would like to see the Vikings stay put, or even---gasp---move up a bit to get the best OL, DL, CB, or WR available. I would even be very interested in the TE from Florida if he's really all that. With all the QBs, we could be in position to snag a top-ten player in terms of talent. There could very well be a top-five player from our board who is within reach of a small trade-up, and they would be well served to grab real talent instead of the usual approach of waiting for whomever drops to them (got lucky with JJ) or trade back to get extra picks.

Hey Rick, if you want a second-rounder so bad, maybe don't spend your next one to rent a player for six games who doesn't fit with what your team does and you won't be able to resign anyway.

I wouldn't be looking at a tight end. Irv Smith was just starting to get his legs under him at the end of the season. IMO, he will be a much bigger part of the offense in 2021.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

I would like to see the Vikings stay put, or even---gasp---move up a bit to get the best OL, DL, CB, or WR available. I would even be very interested in the TE from Florida if he's really all that. With all the QBs, we could be in position to snag a top-ten player in terms of talent. There could very well be a top-five player from our board who is within reach of a small trade-up, and they would be well served to grab real talent instead of the usual approach of waiting for whomever drops to them (got lucky with JJ) or trade back to get extra picks.

Hey Rick, if you want a second-rounder so bad, maybe don't spend your next one to rent a player for six games who doesn't fit with what your team does and you won't be able to resign anyway.

I wouldn't be looking at a tight end. Irv Smith was just starting to get his legs under him at the end of the season. IMO, he will be a much bigger part of the offense in 2021.

I think you mean Tyler Conklin was just getting his legs under him. I like Smith and Conklin, but I've seen smatterings that this kid would be a weapon on the level of Kelce and he blocks well also. If he's really all that, maybe the Vikings would actually use the TE aggressively. Many needs, many holes....this thing ain't moving to championship level overnight.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

How would you all rank the needs of the Vikings going into the off-season?

Last year we had no pass rush (of course Hunter being out hurt) and then our young corners had to defend without the benefit of a pass rush. I would put that at the highest need, whether it comes from the edge or the 3 tech. In addition, it seemed that teams could run at will up the middle and wouldn't even get hit until five yards down field most of the time. Again, we missed Pierce, but a better run defender at the 3 tech would be a great need.

On offense our guards were historically bad- maybe the worst guards in NFL history and not even close. I mean they were really bad. Nevertheless, the offense still performed at a high level. Ordinarily teams do select guards later in the draft. So I am going to say the need is there and it's great, but the position value is much lower. On the other hand, Kirk Cousins is not a mobile quarterback and he was getting pressure from the inside and out. There was not a lot of time for him to throw and there was even less opportunity for him to escape, although he did run with the ball more this past season.

Safety is also a great need, assuming that Harris is not re-signed. Great defenses have great safeties and the team has no one penciled in to replace Harris as a starter.

Obviously there are more needs than high draft picks, but I'm going to say 3 tech is our greatest need because of both run and pass defense consequences followed by edge rusher, safety and then guards. The need level is so great in all of those positions though, that I would go for best player available for any of those positions. At pick number one I still think that will be an edge rusher.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

This is what PFF says about Barmore in a recent mock draft, where he went 16th:

The Cardinals had seven different interior defenders play at least 150 defensive snaps last season, and the highest PFF grade from that group came courtesy of Corey Peters at 61.4. It should be a position that Arizona looks to upgrade, and Barmore is the clear-cut top interior defensive line prospect in the 2021 NFL Draft.

Barmore showed in the playoff games against Notre Dame and Ohio State why that is the case. He produced five-plus pressures in both games and looked unblockable at times against two good offensive lines. From build to flexibility to hand usage, Barmore has the tools necessary to be an impressive pass-rusher at the next level.

Maybe he's the guy and he's available.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

This is what PFF says about Barmore in a recent mock draft, where he went 16th:

The Cardinals had seven different interior defenders play at least 150 defensive snaps last season, and the highest PFF grade from that group came courtesy of Corey Peters at 61.4. It should be a position that Arizona looks to upgrade, and Barmore is the clear-cut top interior defensive line prospect in the 2021 NFL Draft.

Barmore showed in the playoff games against Notre Dame and Ohio State why that is the case. He produced five-plus pressures in both games and looked unblockable at times against two good offensive lines. From build to flexibility to hand usage, Barmore has the tools necessary to be an impressive pass-rusher at the next level.

Maybe he's the guy and he's available.

Don't get cute and try to trade down. Take him at #14. He had his way with experienced high end OLineman.

He looks better than the Iowa DT.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

This is what PFF says about Barmore in a recent mock draft, where he went 16th:

The Cardinals had seven different interior defenders play at least 150 defensive snaps last season, and the highest PFF grade from that group came courtesy of Corey Peters at 61.4. It should be a position that Arizona looks to upgrade, and Barmore is the clear-cut top interior defensive line prospect in the 2021 NFL Draft.

Barmore showed in the playoff games against Notre Dame and Ohio State why that is the case. He produced five-plus pressures in both games and looked unblockable at times against two good offensive lines. From build to flexibility to hand usage, Barmore has the tools necessary to be an impressive pass-rusher at the next level.

Maybe he's the guy and he's available.

Don't get cute and try to trade down. Take him at #14. He had his way with experienced high end OLineman.

He looks better than the Iowa DT.

I see no reason to trade down whatsoever. They can seemingly stay put at 14 and get an elite OL, DT, DE, WR, TE, or CB, all of which they need/could make really good use of. That means they have to take care of some needs in FA, which will be a challenge. In addition to the above, they also need a safety and maybe a LB. They are a couple of years away, minimum, of being truly competitive at the highest level unless they have an extraordinary offseason and get lucky.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

This is what PFF says about Barmore in a recent mock draft, where he went 16th:

The Cardinals had seven different interior defenders play at least 150 defensive snaps last season, and the highest PFF grade from that group came courtesy of Corey Peters at 61.4. It should be a position that Arizona looks to upgrade, and Barmore is the clear-cut top interior defensive line prospect in the 2021 NFL Draft.

Barmore showed in the playoff games against Notre Dame and Ohio State why that is the case. He produced five-plus pressures in both games and looked unblockable at times against two good offensive lines. From build to flexibility to hand usage, Barmore has the tools necessary to be an impressive pass-rusher at the next level.

Maybe he's the guy and he's available.

Don't get cute and try to trade down. Take him at #14. He had his way with experienced high end OLineman.

He looks better than the Iowa DT.

I see no reason to trade down whatsoever. They can seemingly stay put at 14 and get an elite OL, DT, DE, WR, TE, or CB, all of which they need/could make really good use of. That means they have to take care of some needs in FA, which will be a challenge. In addition to the above, they also need a safety and maybe a LB. They are a couple of years away, minimum, of being truly competitive at the highest level unless they have an extraordinary offseason and get lucky.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

This is what PFF says about Barmore in a recent mock draft, where he went 16th:

The Cardinals had seven different interior defenders play at least 150 defensive snaps last season, and the highest PFF grade from that group came courtesy of Corey Peters at 61.4. It should be a position that Arizona looks to upgrade, and Barmore is the clear-cut top interior defensive line prospect in the 2021 NFL Draft.

Barmore showed in the playoff games against Notre Dame and Ohio State why that is the case. He produced five-plus pressures in both games and looked unblockable at times against two good offensive lines. From build to flexibility to hand usage, Barmore has the tools necessary to be an impressive pass-rusher at the next level.

Maybe he's the guy and he's available.

Don't get cute and try to trade down. Take him at #14. He had his way with experienced high end OLineman.

He looks better than the Iowa DT.

I see no reason to trade down whatsoever. They can seemingly stay put at 14 and get an elite OL, DT, DE, WR, TE, or CB, all of which they need/could make really good use of. That means they have to take care of some needs in FA, which will be a challenge. In addition to the above, they also need a safety and maybe a LB. They are a couple of years away, minimum, of being truly competitive at the highest level unless they have an extraordinary offseason and get lucky.

There are going to be a lot of nice players in FA. Most teams have to trim a lot of fat.

Can we create room and are we an attractive destination? Not sure.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

This is what PFF says about Barmore in a recent mock draft, where he went 16th:

The Cardinals had seven different interior defenders play at least 150 defensive snaps last season, and the highest PFF grade from that group came courtesy of Corey Peters at 61.4. It should be a position that Arizona looks to upgrade, and Barmore is the clear-cut top interior defensive line prospect in the 2021 NFL Draft.

Barmore showed in the playoff games against Notre Dame and Ohio State why that is the case. He produced five-plus pressures in both games and looked unblockable at times against two good offensive lines. From build to flexibility to hand usage, Barmore has the tools necessary to be an impressive pass-rusher at the next level.

Maybe he's the guy and he's available.

Don't get cute and try to trade down. Take him at #14. He had his way with experienced high end OLineman.

He looks better than the Iowa DT.

I see no reason to trade down whatsoever. They can seemingly stay put at 14 and get an elite OL, DT, DE, WR, TE, or CB, all of which they need/could make really good use of. That means they have to take care of some needs in FA, which will be a challenge. In addition to the above, they also need a safety and maybe a LB. They are a couple of years away, minimum, of being truly competitive at the highest level unless they have an extraordinary offseason and get lucky.