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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

Nothing is ever perfect but we have drafted two of the top positions of need. Reiffs money was needed to upgrade the defense. I am not going to be a town cryer when they rebuilt the online. They have depth and UDFA to sign and late cuts to look at. Few needs left to fill.

That all sounds well and good, but facing DE's in the ACC is much different than facing TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack (twice) all in the same season.

I'm hopeful, but not making any plans for a celebration in February. The defense should be better. No doubt about that. Couldn't be much worse.

You are already on repeat mode, but repeating the obvious. In fact, the challenges for rookies have been known since the early-mid 1900s. Congrats on being 75+ years late to the party.

Just trying to add a dose of reality to the rose-colored crowd. Pretty much the exact same conversation we had 12 months ago. After the draft I said pump the brakes. Someone called me out for being Captain Obvious. 12 months later here we sit, with most suffering from the usual off-season amnesia.

OK, so there are the two extremes. Some being fans hoping the draft is a knockout and cheering early for a SB. It's more about being a fan than really believing this draft will propel us to a SB victory.

Then there are others like you who take the very safe route saying many of the draftees are not all that, and harp endlessly about "I told you so." That is the Master of the Obvious approach.

Nope. Not what I said. That may be the way you interpreted it, but it's not what I said.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

Nothing is ever perfect but we have drafted two of the top positions of need. Reiffs money was needed to upgrade the defense. I am not going to be a town cryer when they rebuilt the online. They have depth and UDFA to sign and late cuts to look at. Few needs left to fill.

That all sounds well and good, but facing DE's in the ACC is much different than facing TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack (twice) all in the same season.

I'm hopeful, but not making any plans for a celebration in February. The defense should be better. No doubt about that. Couldn't be much worse.

You are already on repeat mode, but repeating the obvious. In fact, the challenges for rookies have been known since the early-mid 1900s. Congrats on being 75+ years late to the party.

Just trying to add a dose of reality to the rose-colored crowd. Pretty much the exact same conversation we had 12 months ago. After the draft I said pump the brakes. Someone called me out for being Captain Obvious. 12 months later here we sit, with most suffering from the usual off-season amnesia.

OK, so there are the two extremes. Some being fans hoping the draft is a knockout and cheering early for a SB. It's more about being a fan than really believing this draft will propel us to a SB victory.

Then there are others like you who take the very safe route saying many of the draftees are not all that, and harp endlessly about "I told you so." That is the Master of the Obvious approach.

Nope. Not what I said. That may be the way you interpreted it, but it's not what I said.

The hell its not. Look at your posts on Darrisaw... two just today about the top NFL competition he will face (duh!). The posts that triggered that simply said there is a hole at LT and our first pick Darrisaw is almost undoubtedly going to start there.

NOBODY said Darrisaw is going to dominate or even hold his own. But you built a strawman arguing against the non-existent statement. Or did you expect we'd sign an All-Pro LT to handle the competition?

Face it, post draft for you is simply hedge your bets time.

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Like Brad, I did a draft review and then I added the likelihood of them getting to the Hall of Fame in ().


Rd. 1 : Darrisaw (Lock)

A modern-day Ron Yary. But better.

HOF Chances: The starting LT for THE dynasty of the 2020s should be a HOF lock.


Rd. 3: Mond (Lock)

A 3rd Round superstar QB ala Russ Wilson and starts when Drew Bledsoe, err, I mean Kirk Cousins gets hurt in Game 2. Eventually becomes a clone of Tom Brady if Brady was mobile and had a bigger arm.

HOF Chances: The QB that wins the most Super Bowls of all-time will be a first ballot HOF just missing an unanimous vote because the Green Bay beat writer voted for Jordan Love instead despite Jordan Love having never starting a game in his brief 4 year NFL career. "No, I am not bitter at all", he said bitterly.


Rd. 3: Surratt (50/50)

A Safety/LB hybrid. Joey Browner if Joey was taller, faster and smarter. A couple posters already think he is a better QB then Cousins. Not so sure on that one.

HOF Chances: How many Safety/ Linebacker hybrids are in the Hall? He may be the first.


Rd. 3: Davis (Near Lock)

A bigger Randall McDaniel.

HOF Chances: Makes it, but not on the first ballot. Being a Guard keeps him out a few years.


Rd. 3: Jones (Near Lock)

Went to same school as Chris Doleman and plays same position. Coincidence?

HOF Chances: Chris Doleman is in the Hall, so Jones is a near lock.


Rd. 4: Nwangnu (Outside Chance)

Devin Hester except bigger, taller and faster.

HOF Chances: Do you get into the Hall if you are the best special teamer of all-time? I guess we will find out.


Rd. 4: Bynum (Outside Chance)

A Safety that plays like Harrison Smith, but better in coverage and faster.

HOF Chances: May be hurt by how many of his contemporary Vikings will make the Hall.


Rd. 4: Robinson (Near lock)

Watching his highlights, he looks like Khalil Mack reincarnated. And Mack is not even dead.

HOF Chances: Being an elite DE on a dynasty means he almost certainly makes the Hall.


Rd. 5: Smith-Marsette (Outside Shot)

Another Diggs in the 5th Round. Except faster.

HOF Chances: Being the #2 receiver on a dynasty may get him in the Hall, but voters may hold it against him that he had the GOAT Mond throwing him the ball.


Rd. 5: Davidson (Lock)

The Vikings answer to Shohei Ohtani. All Pro Tight End AND All Pro Punter. In 50 years, people will still be talking about the game where he had to long-snap to himself. A cross between a durable Rob Gronkowski and Shane Lechler.

HOF Chances: Already makes the Grob long-snapper Hall of Fame. May not have made it as either a Tight End or Punter, but being elite at both? Lock.


Rd. 6: Twyman (Good Shot)

He has already been compared to Aaron Donald and Geno Atkins. Sounds about right.

HOF Chances: Is he more Donald or Atkins? Part of the revived PPE so that helps him get to the Hall either way.


OVERALL DRAFT GRADE: Almost certainly the greatest draft of all-time. 6-8 HOFers. SKOL

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I know most of you don't believe it but we're going to the SB this year. It's not even going to be nerve racking. We have so much talent on both sides of the ball.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

Nothing is ever perfect but we have drafted two of the top positions of need. Reiffs money was needed to upgrade the defense. I am not going to be a town cryer when they rebuilt the online. They have depth and UDFA to sign and late cuts to look at. Few needs left to fill.

That all sounds well and good, but facing DE's in the ACC is much different than facing TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack (twice) all in the same season.

I'm hopeful, but not making any plans for a celebration in February. The defense should be better. No doubt about that. Couldn't be much worse.

You are already on repeat mode, but repeating the obvious. In fact, the challenges for rookies have been known since the early-mid 1900s. Congrats on being 75+ years late to the party.

Just trying to add a dose of reality to the rose-colored crowd. Pretty much the exact same conversation we had 12 months ago. After the draft I said pump the brakes. Someone called me out for being Captain Obvious. 12 months later here we sit, with most suffering from the usual off-season amnesia.

OK, so there are the two extremes. Some being fans hoping the draft is a knockout and cheering early for a SB. It's more about being a fan than really believing this draft will propel us to a SB victory.

Then there are others like you who take the very safe route saying many of the draftees are not all that, and harp endlessly about "I told you so." That is the Master of the Obvious approach.

Nope. Not what I said. That may be the way you interpreted it, but it's not what I said.

The hell its not. Look at your posts on Darrisaw... two just today about the top NFL competition he will face (duh!). The posts that triggered that simply said there is a hole at LT and our first pick Darrisaw is almost undoubtedly going to start there.

NOBODY said Darrisaw is going to dominate or even hold his own. But you built a strawman arguing against the non-existent statement. Or did you expect we'd sign an All-Pro LT to handle the competition?

Face it, post draft for you is simply hedge your bets time.

Lets clarify. What I said was, I hope Darrisaw ends up being great, but thinking he is going to come in right away and be Reilly Reiff is very optimistic given the talent he will face. I never said he wasn't all that. I never said he would fail. I never said he was doomed. I simply added some reality to the conversation.

The rest you came up with on your own. It's called cautious optimism.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

IMO you are right, we still may address OL with a castoff or two but I disagree with our depth as is, especially on the interior. We could easily have used another 4th or 5th rd pick on the inside.

Darrisaw, O'Neill, Hill and Cleveland (if we were smart enough to admit our mistake in drafting a 2nd rd back-up) gives us depth and talent (on paper) at both OT spots. That's more depth than ... I can ever remember. (And no, Udoh doesn't matter)

However, playing Cleveland out of position at G hurts his development and also our OT depth. It may help us at G if he improves this year but it is a very ineffective use of resources. Any HC or OC or OL coach that says we are adapting our 'system' to the strengths of our players should be shot. He is a square peg in a round hole.

Cole who is really just our back-up C, Dozier, Davis is a razor thin G corps. Razor thin. It wouldn't surprise me if Dozier (along with Cleveland) started over both Cole and Davis given our past MO. Then we just have to wait for Dozier to go down before obvious upgrade Davis comes in and starts mashing DL.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

Nothing is ever perfect but we have drafted two of the top positions of need. Reiffs money was needed to upgrade the defense. I am not going to be a town cryer when they rebuilt the online. They have depth and UDFA to sign and late cuts to look at. Few needs left to fill.

That all sounds well and good, but facing DE's in the ACC is much different than facing TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack (twice) all in the same season.

I'm hopeful, but not making any plans for a celebration in February. The defense should be better. No doubt about that. Couldn't be much worse.

You are already on repeat mode, but repeating the obvious. In fact, the challenges for rookies have been known since the early-mid 1900s. Congrats on being 75+ years late to the party.

Just trying to add a dose of reality to the rose-colored crowd. Pretty much the exact same conversation we had 12 months ago. After the draft I said pump the brakes. Someone called me out for being Captain Obvious. 12 months later here we sit, with most suffering from the usual off-season amnesia.

OK, so there are the two extremes. Some being fans hoping the draft is a knockout and cheering early for a SB. It's more about being a fan than really believing this draft will propel us to a SB victory.

Then there are others like you who take the very safe route saying many of the draftees are not all that, and harp endlessly about "I told you so." That is the Master of the Obvious approach.

Nope. Not what I said. That may be the way you interpreted it, but it's not what I said.

The hell its not. Look at your posts on Darrisaw... two just today about the top NFL competition he will face (duh!). The posts that triggered that simply said there is a hole at LT and our first pick Darrisaw is almost undoubtedly going to start there.

NOBODY said Darrisaw is going to dominate or even hold his own. But you built a strawman arguing against the non-existent statement. Or did you expect we'd sign an All-Pro LT to handle the competition?

Face it, post draft for you is simply hedge your bets time.

Lets clarify. What I said was, I hope Darrisaw ends up being great, but thinking he is going to come in right away and be Reilly Reiff is very optimistic given the talent he will face. I never said he wasn't all that. I never said he would fail. I never said he was doomed. I simply added some reality to the conversation.

The rest you came up with on your own. It's called cautious optimism.

Blue: That is an arrow splitting an arrow in the center of the target. 'Hedging your bets' or argumentative bobbing and weaving, is the most common trait among full-time arguers and devil's advocaters (aka Brad).

Red: When you say 'let's clarify' what you mean is, 'let ME track backwards or forwards or sideways to avoid a direct hit.'

Like you did with Thielen. And Boehringer.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

I see KC picked Creed Humphries with their 2nd rder (their 1st selection).

Their org was not going to let their oline drag them down a 2nd time.

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So after cutting Rudolph and Reiff. Did you think we would sign Peterson Woods Alexander Dalvin and Cole. I didn’t. Then did you think we would get a top 3 OT, top 3 OG in the draft while getting a QBOTF, some speed at WR, LB,RB, and ST?

Again I didn’t.

Hard to be a town crier right now so I see brads point but I am in a good mood concerning FA and draft.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

I see KC picked Creed Humphries with their 2nd rder (their 1st selection).

Their org was not going to let their oline drag them down a 2nd time.

The Vikes are high on Hinton and as bad Dozier is he would be a good backup on most teams. We now have two first rounders two second rounders and a third invested in our oline. Straw man argument at Rick ignoring oline. All on coaches at this point. Zimmer mentioned he wanted two bigger lineman and two were drafted.

Look back on the good Vikings lines. They had studs but they also stayed healthy and didn’t test depth too much. Best thing u can do for depth is get rid of injury riddled lineman.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

Nothing is ever perfect but we have drafted two of the top positions of need. Reiffs money was needed to upgrade the defense. I am not going to be a town cryer when they rebuilt the online. They have depth and UDFA to sign and late cuts to look at. Few needs left to fill.

That all sounds well and good, but facing DE's in the ACC is much different than facing TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack (twice) all in the same season.

I'm hopeful, but not making any plans for a celebration in February. The defense should be better. No doubt about that. Couldn't be much worse.

You are already on repeat mode, but repeating the obvious. In fact, the challenges for rookies have been known since the early-mid 1900s. Congrats on being 75+ years late to the party.

Just trying to add a dose of reality to the rose-colored crowd. Pretty much the exact same conversation we had 12 months ago. After the draft I said pump the brakes. Someone called me out for being Captain Obvious. 12 months later here we sit, with most suffering from the usual off-season amnesia.

OK, so there are the two extremes. Some being fans hoping the draft is a knockout and cheering early for a SB. It's more about being a fan than really believing this draft will propel us to a SB victory.

Then there are others like you who take the very safe route saying many of the draftees are not all that, and harp endlessly about "I told you so." That is the Master of the Obvious approach.

Nope. Not what I said. That may be the way you interpreted it, but it's not what I said.

The hell its not. Look at your posts on Darrisaw... two just today about the top NFL competition he will face (duh!). The posts that triggered that simply said there is a hole at LT and our first pick Darrisaw is almost undoubtedly going to start there.

NOBODY said Darrisaw is going to dominate or even hold his own. But you built a strawman arguing against the non-existent statement. Or did you expect we'd sign an All-Pro LT to handle the competition?

Face it, post draft for you is simply hedge your bets time.

Lets clarify. What I said was, I hope Darrisaw ends up being great, but thinking he is going to come in right away and be Reilly Reiff is very optimistic given the talent he will face. I never said he wasn't all that. I never said he would fail. I never said he was doomed. I simply added some reality to the conversation.

The rest you came up with on your own. It's called cautious optimism.

Blue: That is an arrow splitting an arrow in the center of the target. 'Hedging your bets' or argumentative bobbing and weaving, is the most common trait among full-time arguers and devil's advocaters (aka Brad).

Red: When you say 'let's clarify' what you mean is, 'let ME track backwards or forwards or sideways to avoid a direct hit.'

Like you did with Thielen. And Boehringer.

Just read the comments. They are all there, plain to see. If one interprets it negatively, it's on them.

Does anyone want to make the claim that I'm wrong when I say we have little experience up front on offense? I'm willing to have that discussion.

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I am not going to complain about Oline when we spent a 1st and a 3rd.

I like that they went after coverage/ST/Speed guys in the 4th- 6th rounds of the draft...that is a weakness.

The positives about the o-line is that if they all pan out, we have a very young offensive line with a lot of years ahead of them. The negatives are that we have little depth and very little experience. Who is the leader up front, O'Neill? Maybe Bradbury?

I'm hoping they all become great. I really am. I just wanted more out of the draft given we didn't address it in free agency and had one of the worst pass-blocking o-lines in the league a year ago. That's a lot of youth and a lot to expect right away.

Is Darrisaw instantly better than Reiff? I don't think so. He may end up being better in the long run, but the kid hasn't taken a snap yet nor seen his first big paycheck. At some point he'll see TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack this season. That's like a rookie pitcher facing the '27 Yankees. That will be where the rubber meets the road, and a ton to expect from a young kid.

Kirk Cousins better have his head on a swivel, and Kellen Mond better be ready to go if not.

I like the two oline prospects we drafted but at least one more G would have been a lot better. Esp considering we didn't bring in any kind vet presence. I thought a Klien type that could start at LG on a one year deal would have been a solid move for the overall development of the young guys.

This still could happen. No one knows what Cole or Hinton do yet either. I like our online depth. I like our def depth and speed we drafted.

Like any team the are going to have to do their best regarding depth with their taxi squad. There will be injuries. Look at KC. They had a ton of injuries on their oline last year. Prob the one thing that cost them a super bowl

I see KC picked Creed Humphries with their 2nd rder (their 1st selection).

Their org was not going to let their oline drag them down a 2nd time.

The Vikes are high on Hinton and as bad Dozier is he would be a good backup on most teams. We now have two first rounders two second rounders and a third invested in our oline. Straw man argument at Rick ignoring oline. All on coaches at this point. Zimmer mentioned he wanted two bigger lineman and two were drafted.

Look back on the good Vikings lines. They had studs but they also stayed healthy and didn’t test depth too much. Best thing u can do for depth is get rid of injury riddled lineman.

The Vikings being high on Hinton sounds like Samia the year before. We are high on every player on the roster or they wouldn't be on the roster. That doesn't mean a lot until you see them in games.

I don't think Dozier is a good back-up ... if he can't play his 'starter experience' doesn't mean a lot. Hill is a decent back-up ... didn't play well in extended time (or on the right side) ... but he has looked solid in spot duty on the left. There is vast chasm between Hill and Dozier as back-ups.

Straw man argument at Rick ignoring the line is true but the performance of the line has made that commentary forgivable. Adding draftees like adding starter experience only adds if the player can play or develop into a player. Speilman had been giving 'draft attention' to the OL four years before this offseason and the line sucked. Hopefully, Darrisaw and Davis will push the gauge from below avg to avg or above (or even above avg, you never know), we'll have to wait and see.

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I'm not going to argue with you Phil

If you are satisfied with Udoh, Hinton, Dozier, Cole as 4 of your possible 5 backups there's nothing more to say.