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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

No. 30 QB Rating in the final two minutes of halves last season. That's where the rubber meets the road.

It would be akin to a guy that is a very good shooter in basketball who suddenly shoots 23% in the final minute of a game. If you can't make them when it counts, the other numbers don't mean jack shit.

It's the difference between winning and losing about 4-5 football games every season. The great ones excel at it because they are great leaders and in total command.

What if said shooter was quadruple teamed at the end of games but still had to shoot because the rest of his team was in wheelchairs? What does 23% tell you then?

Keep pulling out this number, but maybe tell me who was going to complete a pass in the Tennessee game's last series when the oline collapsed? How about the Dallas game? Oh, and please keep ignoring the New Orleans playoff game for God's sake, because that surely couldn't have been Kirk throwing three perfect passes to win that playoff game in OT.

Kirk is not great. Kirk is not horrible. Kirk is not "worth" his contract. But Kirk is good enough, and the price for good enough at QB is as insane as the market for gasoline in Cali.

The great ones have the ability to create on their own and make everyone around them better on a consistent basis. Those guys win championships and earn a yellow jacket.

So you're a Hall of Famer or you suck? How much better did Mahomes make his offensive line in the Super Bowl? Or is he not good enough either?

I get it, this is your schtick, you're very Trump-like in hyping your very special mind, which is like nothing that's ever been seen. But I believe right above where you cite "the great ones," I concede Kirk is not great. Your Rain Mannish spewing is not worthy of your Beautiful Mind......

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

No. 30 QB Rating in the final two minutes of halves last season. That's where the rubber meets the road.

It would be akin to a guy that is a very good shooter in basketball who suddenly shoots 23% in the final minute of a game. If you can't make them when it counts, the other numbers don't mean jack shit.

It's the difference between winning and losing about 4-5 football games every season. The great ones excel at it because they are great leaders and in total command.

What if said shooter was quadruple teamed at the end of games but still had to shoot because the rest of his team was in wheelchairs? What does 23% tell you then?

Keep pulling out this number, but maybe tell me who was going to complete a pass in the Tennessee game's last series when the oline collapsed? How about the Dallas game? Oh, and please keep ignoring the New Orleans playoff game for God's sake, because that surely couldn't have been Kirk throwing three perfect passes to win that playoff game in OT.

Kirk is not great. Kirk is not horrible. Kirk is not "worth" his contract. But Kirk is good enough, and the price for good enough at QB is as insane as the market for gasoline in Cali.

The great ones have the ability to create on their own and make everyone around them better on a consistent basis. Those guys win championships and earn a yellow jacket.

So you're a Hall of Famer or you suck? How much better did Mahomes make his offensive line in the Super Bowl? Or is he not good enough either?

I get it, this is your schtick, you're very Trump-like in hyping your very special mind, which is like nothing that's ever been seen. But I believe right above where you cite "the great ones," I concede Kirk is not great. Your Rain Mannish spewing is not worthy of your Beautiful Mind......

I never said he sucked. I only said he isn't a winner when it matters. Some guys have that "IT" and some don't. At $33-million a year, I need to have my guy having "IT".

And before some of you get into the nonsense about fair market value, let me stop you right there. Just because other guys are making similar money and producing similar numbers, doesn't mean it is fair market value. It only means that other franchises are also overpaying their guy (Lions, Colts, Falcons, Cowboys and Niners come to mind).

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

I agree with all of this. I was not crazy about Surratt at the time of the pick, but it allows us to keep all three LBs on the field in passing situations if we want and blitz any one or two or even three of them. Spielman has to be right about the guys he picks whereas we can just throw out names, but I'm very impressed with the draft on paper and Spielman's patience under pressure was stellar.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

I agree with all of this. I was not crazy about Surratt at the time of the pick, but it allows us to keep all three LBs on the field in passing situations if we want and blitz any one or two or even three of them. Spielman has to be right about the guys he picks whereas we can just throw out names, but I'm very impressed with the draft on paper and Spielman's patience under pressure was stellar.

The Surratt pick was initially...huh?...for me. The more I researched after the pick the more I saw a guy with the speed to cover and the ability to fly sideline to sideline and make plays. Almost an Eddie McDaniel type weakside linebacker. At least on paper.

Jones was the 3rd round pick that I am most lukewarm about. I thought at the time that there would be just as good or better edge rushers in the 4th round. Janarius Robinson was one of those guys and we got him 44 picks later.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

I agree with all of this. I was not crazy about Surratt at the time of the pick, but it allows us to keep all three LBs on the field in passing situations if we want and blitz any one or two or even three of them. Spielman has to be right about the guys he picks whereas we can just throw out names, but I'm very impressed with the draft on paper and Spielman's patience under pressure was stellar.

The Surratt pick was initially...huh?...for me. The more I researched after the pick the more I saw a guy with the speed to cover and the ability to fly sideline to sideline and make plays. Almost an Eddie McDaniel type weakside linebacker. At least on paper.

Jones was the 3rd round pick that I am most lukewarm about. I thought at the time that there would be just as good or better edge rushers in the 4th round. Janarius Robinson was one of those guys and we got him 44 picks later.

I too am excited about Surratt on further review. I have purple lenses on with Jones; he might be a pass rush specialist.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I wonder what GM's think about Stafford....LA thinks they have super bowl contending roster except at QB. Lions never built a team around him but Stafford's career record is way worse than Kirk's and I believe he makes more money.

It is typical on this board though that if a GM does an outstanding job in FA and drafts to bring something up like the QB salary.

Pretty sure when Kirk came in they made a ton of promises...(Oline, etc.) to build a team around him and finally this year I think he will have a full complement of talent. I like the fast RB/WR/TE and think all three make the team easily. Even w/o Gladney Hughes is probably our 4th CB.

There is a ton of talent added to the team this year....most excited I have been about contending for something major in many years. I even think we have good depth

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

Somehow many think TB does it all...look at that roster. Two best rosters made it to the SB---I think our roster can compete with both after the FA and draft.

I like the Cinderella story with Case at QB a few years ago but eventually you need a QB that can throw the ball outdoors and there is a need for a better roster. If you can't see the moves that Rick has pulled off the last two years coming up aces (mainly turning Rudolph and Reiff's contract into a bevy of FAs---Weatherly, Peterson, Alexander, Tomlinson, Vigil) and then trading down to erase the bad DE decision last year to acquire 2 high ranked Olineman, a QBOTF, speed at RB/LB/WR/TE and two more pass rushers. As Mark Anderson stated earlier; our kicking game/Special Teams is our main weakness right now.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

Seems to me that the only reason Cousins even puts up stats is because he’s always playing from behind in the Second Half.
Mostly prevent defense stats.

Cousins sucks.
Most of the World knows it.
Only about half of the Viking fans believe in him.

He is also no where near the best QB since Tark.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

Somehow many think TB does it all...look at that roster. Two best rosters made it to the SB---I think our roster can compete with both after the FA and draft.

I like the Cinderella story with Case at QB a few years ago but eventually you need a QB that can throw the ball outdoors and there is a need for a better roster. If you can't see the moves that Rick has pulled off the last two years coming up aces (mainly turning Rudolph and Reiff's contract into a bevy of FAs---Weatherly, Peterson, Alexander, Tomlinson, Vigil) and then trading down to erase the bad DE decision last year to acquire 2 high ranked Olineman, a QBOTF, speed at RB/LB/WR/TE and two more pass rushers. As Mark Anderson stated earlier; our kicking game/Special Teams is our main weakness right now.

If we hadn't lost our entire defense last year it likely would have been us winning the Super Bowl. Make no mistake we have a very talented team and with health there is no reason to think we can't win it all this season.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

No. 30 QB Rating in the final two minutes of halves last season. That's where the rubber meets the road.

It would be akin to a guy that is a very good shooter in basketball who suddenly shoots 23% in the final minute of a game. If you can't make them when it counts, the other numbers don't mean jack shit.

It's the difference between winning and losing about 4-5 football games every season. The great ones excel at it because they are great leaders and in total command.

What if said shooter was quadruple teamed at the end of games but still had to shoot because the rest of his team was in wheelchairs? What does 23% tell you then?

Keep pulling out this number, but maybe tell me who was going to complete a pass in the Tennessee game's last series when the oline collapsed? How about the Dallas game? Oh, and please keep ignoring the New Orleans playoff game for God's sake, because that surely couldn't have been Kirk throwing three perfect passes to win that playoff game in OT.

Kirk is not great. Kirk is not horrible. Kirk is not "worth" his contract. But Kirk is good enough, and the price for good enough at QB is as insane as the market for gasoline in Cali.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

Somehow many think TB does it all...look at that roster. Two best rosters made it to the SB---I think our roster can compete with both after the FA and draft.

I like the Cinderella story with Case at QB a few years ago but eventually you need a QB that can throw the ball outdoors and there is a need for a better roster. If you can't see the moves that Rick has pulled off the last two years coming up aces (mainly turning Rudolph and Reiff's contract into a bevy of FAs---Weatherly, Peterson, Alexander, Tomlinson, Vigil) and then trading down to erase the bad DE decision last year to acquire 2 high ranked Olineman, a QBOTF, speed at RB/LB/WR/TE and two more pass rushers. As Mark Anderson stated earlier; our kicking game/Special Teams is our main weakness right now.

If we hadn't lost our entire defense last year it likely would have been us winning the Super Bowl. Make no mistake we have a very talented team and with health there is no reason to think we can't win it all this season.

We didn't have the Oline or Dline to compete last year.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Off-season amnesia has gotten the best of this board .... just like every other off-season.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Off-season amnesia has gotten the best of this board .... just like every other off-season.

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ORIGINAL: marty

How is KC better than Jay Cutler ?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The four seasons in Minnesota:

Hoping for a great season out of their quarterback (July-September)

Watching disappointingly as their quarterback underperforms (October-December)

Bitching about their quarterback and his deficiencies (January-March)

Forgetting how bad he is (April-June)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just sick and tired of the way Cousins gets skewered on this site.

The numbers just don’t lie. He is without a doubt the most underrated, most accurate, and probably greatest thrower of a football in franchise history. As a businessman. As a qb also, not bad at all.

Cousins is a very good American Football player.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
The four seasons in Minnesota:
Hoping for a great season out of their quarterback (July-September)
Watching disappointingly as their quarterback underperforms (October-December)
Bitching about their quarterback and his deficiencies (January-March)
Forgetting how bad he is (April-June)