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ORIGINAL: marty
How is KC better than Jay Cutler ?
They seem similar. Cutler had better OLs, KC has had Theilen and Jefferson, and Cook.
I think KC is a slightly more accurate thrower.
They both seem likely to get sacked, throw a pick, or get hit as they're trying to throw what is likely the play of the game against a good team.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The four seasons in Minnesota:

Hoping for a great season out of their quarterback (July-September)

Watching disappointingly as their quarterback underperforms (October-December)

Bitching about their quarterback and his deficiencies (January-March)

Forgetting how bad he is (April-June)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

In a desperate attempt to steer the conversation back to the draft, because God knows we don't argue about Cousins enough in the General thread, I'm feeling really positive about it.

I pleaded for RS to trade up to the 2nd round because I believed guys who could really help right away would be picked over by the 3rd round. I was pleasantly surprised at how it worked out.

Mond was a really good pick. You can make a strong argument that he was one of the top 4 QB in the draft. Not a sure thing, but they have two years to develop him and a 3rd round pick is not big gamble. This seems to be the consensus except for a certain poster who shows up every draft to tell everyone how stupid they are.

Surratt was a Zim pick all the way. I trust his judgment on linebackers and d-backs. I expect he will be the starting WSLB in base defense and probably stay on the field in a lot of situational sets.

I was really surprised Davis was there. Day 1 starter at guard. Mauler at the point of attack, who can negate some of that inside pressure that is a constant.

In all we came away with three day 1 starters at positions of need and potentially our QBOTF with our first 4 picks. There were also no incessant trade downs until we owned the 6th an 7th rounds. I give Spielman high marks for this draft.

I agree with all of this. I was not crazy about Surratt at the time of the pick, but it allows us to keep all three LBs on the field in passing situations if we want and blitz any one or two or even three of them. Spielman has to be right about the guys he picks whereas we can just throw out names, but I'm very impressed with the draft on paper and Spielman's patience under pressure was stellar.

The Surratt pick was initially...huh?...for me. The more I researched after the pick the more I saw a guy with the speed to cover and the ability to fly sideline to sideline and make plays. Almost an Eddie McDaniel type weakside linebacker. At least on paper.

Jones was the 3rd round pick that I am most lukewarm about. I thought at the time that there would be just as good or better edge rushers in the 4th round. Janarius Robinson was one of those guys and we got him 44 picks later.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I wonder what GM's think about Stafford....LA thinks they have super bowl contending roster except at QB. Lions never built a team around him but Stafford's career record is way worse than Kirk's and I believe he makes more money.

It is typical on this board though that if a GM does an outstanding job in FA and drafts to bring something up like the QB salary.

Pretty sure when Kirk came in they made a ton of promises...(Oline, etc.) to build a team around him and finally this year I think he will have a full complement of talent. I like the fast RB/WR/TE and think all three make the team easily. Even w/o Gladney Hughes is probably our 4th CB.

There is a ton of talent added to the team this year....most excited I have been about contending for something major in many years. I even think we have good depth

This is the only thing I worry about. We have below average depth at WR and S, and it would be nice to add another G/C before the season starts. But otherwise I agree that on paper the Vikings go into the season without any holes to their starting roster.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The four seasons in Minnesota:

Hoping for a great season out of their quarterback (July-September)

Watching disappointingly as their quarterback underperforms (October-December)

Bitching about their quarterback and his deficiencies (January-March)

Forgetting how bad he is (April-June)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I'm gonna have to side with McMurphy and Brad

Cousins stinks.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Brad makes some valid points, some people just don't want to hear anything bad about Cousins.

I agree that Cousins is slightly better than Jay Cutler, but of them:

They both seem likely to get sacked, throw a pick, or get hit as they're trying to throw what is likely the play of the game against a good team.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Talk about moving the goal posts.

We have quality starters all up and down the roster...but now we're lacking a team B ready to become starters.

Give it 5 minutes. We've had 2 huge draft hauls the last 2 years...there's depth being developed.

Next we'll hear our PS players aren't starting quality.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Talk about moving the goal posts.

We have quality starters all up and down the roster...but now we're lacking a team B ready to become starters.

Give it 5 minutes. We've had 2 huge draft hauls the last 2 years...there's depth being developed.

Next we'll hear our PS players aren't starting quality.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Why would you say that?

Jones had 250% more sacks and 50% more tackles for loss than Robinson.

Jones may have been benefiting from attention paid to Robinson. Robinson is bigger and stronger, while Jones seems a little small.

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Robinson is bigger and stronger, while Jones seems a little small.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Talk about moving the goal posts.

We have quality starters all up and down the roster...but now we're lacking a team B ready to become starters.

Give it 5 minutes. We've had 2 huge draft hauls the last 2 years...there's depth being developed.

Next we'll hear our PS players aren't starting quality.

I doubt anybody expects a B team full of starting quality players.

How about a B team full of adequate back-ups ... or is that too much to aspire to?

As far as waiting 5 minutes for our depth to develop

Spielman has been drafting and developing players as GM since 2012 ... we went 7-9 last year

that wasn't exactly a windfall from our player development pool.

My expectation is more like Bill Murray standing in an empty pool taking a bite out of a baby ruth.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Talk about moving the goal posts.

We have quality starters all up and down the roster...but now we're lacking a team B ready to become starters.

Give it 5 minutes. We've had 2 huge draft hauls the last 2 years...there's depth being developed.

Next we'll hear our PS players aren't starting quality.

I doubt anybody expects a B team full of starting quality players.

How about a B team full of adequate back-ups ... or is that too much to aspire to?

As far as waiting 5 minutes for our depth to develop

Spielman has been drafting and developing players as GM since 2012 ... we went 7-9 last year

that wasn't exactly a windfall from our player development pool.

My expectation is more like Bill Murray standing in an empty pool taking a bite out of a baby ruth.

Pool and a pond... pond's good for you.

I want a SB, I want good depth.... you'll get nothing and like it!