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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I just did the PFF draft sim and took Mac Jones with the 14th. They gave that move an A+.
I went heavy on OL after that with Keldrick Green in the 2nd and got a C+ for that.
Ended up with an A- grade overall.

I copied it, but can't paste it here for whatever reason.

PFF overvalues QB's in their grading.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

We could double up on the OLine with this move.

#27 Guards Dickerson or Davis

#78 O. Brown

Then go defense and WR after that. Possibly another OT/G type. Also, QBOTF- Franks from Arkansas

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

Let's see ...

OT – O'Neal (our only decent player on the OL), Hill (our only decent back-up on the OL, Cleveland (our only possible decent non-O'Neal / Hill player with a chance to to be solid [it remains to be seen])
C – Bradbury (struggling at best but still young and may be better with better Gs not yet on the roster)
G – Nobody (we are paying Cole more than just a body but that was a value pick-up, not a serious upgrade at the position).

(Cleveland has no business filling a two year gap at Guard; no, Udoh doesn't matter)

I would argue OT is the least of our OL woes but that's stretching it (without Reiff) ... G x 2 and even more, a G/C + G are far and away our biggest needs.

DE is a huge need but at least that position is bolstered by linemates Hunter Pierce Tomlinson (on paper).

Our guards stick out like ... let's just say that the nail that stands up gets hammered down.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

We could double up on the OLine with this move.

#27 Guards Dickerson or Davis

#78 O. Brown

Then go defense and WR after that. Possibly another OT/G type. Also, QBOTF- Franks from Arkansas

Malik thinks that the top three offensive linemen will be gone before #14. I still like Vera-Tucker. I'm not really a big fan of Brown, but I can't say that I'm a great Orlando Brown expert.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I just traded back from 14 to 17, picked up 48 and gave away 134.

Drafted Vera-Tucker at 17 Kendrick Green, G Illinois at 90 and David Moore G Grambling St. at 157.

WR's didn't fall for me like I wanted, but it was a good draft mostly taking best player available, within the top couple of picks anyway. In addition to really bolstering the O line, I picked up some secondary depth with 2 CB's and 2 S's

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

Let's see ...

OT – O'Neal (our only decent player on the OL), Hill (our only decent back-up on the OL, Cleveland (our only possible decent non-O'Neal / Hill player with a chance to to be solid [it remains to be seen])
C – Bradbury (struggling at best but still young and may be better with better Gs not yet on the roster)
G – Nobody (we are paying Cole more than just a body but that was a value pick-up, not a serious upgrade at the position).

(Cleveland has no business filling a two year gap at Guard; no, Udoh doesn't matter)

I would argue OT is the least of our OL woes but that's stretching it (without Reiff) ... G x 2 and even more, a G/C + G are far and away our biggest needs.

DE is a huge need but at least that position is bolstered by linemates Hunter Pierce Tomlinson (on paper).

Our guards stick out like ... let's just say that the nail that stands up gets hammered down.

Landon Dickerson looks like an animal.

But, ACL tear in December. Maybe PUP for 6 weeks and then chance to start after that.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I'm with Tom.

I think we'd do a lot more for our team by going G @14 and then again with one of our 3rds than using top resources with picks or $'s for a LT.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I just traded back from 14 to 17, picked up 48 and gave away 134.

Drafted Vera-Tucker at 17 Kendrick Green, G Illinois at 90 and David Moore G Grambling St. at 157.

WR's didn't fall for me like I wanted, but it was a good draft mostly taking best player available, within the top couple of picks anyway. In addition to really bolstering the O line, I picked up some secondary depth with 2 CB's and 2 S's

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

We could double up on the OLine with this move.

#27 Guards Dickerson or Davis

#78 O. Brown

Then go defense and WR after that. Possibly another OT/G type. Also, QBOTF- Franks from Arkansas

Malik thinks that the top three offensive linemen will be gone before #14. I still like Vera-Tucker. I'm not really a big fan of Brown, but I can't say that I'm a great Orlando Brown expert.

It would be an incredible u-turn for this regime to, 1) spend that kind of draft capital at OL and, 2) splurge on one of the most unathletic OTs (but young and somehow pretty decent) in recent memory. The scheme fit just isn't there. Also, Baltimore has apparently been asking for a #1 – they won't get it ... but not having a 2 may hamstring us there.

BUT ... like you say I am no Brown expert ... and at this point, any kind of attention to the OL is a Red Ryder BB gun Christmas present. Throwing a 300 lb sloth at OT is not any worse than throwing a prototypical slender 2nd rd OT at G.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Brown usually pushes his de back into the LB thus reaching the 2nd level with brute force.

Think this regime is taking this athleticism trait too far. It's really only on display for screen passes which we only run 2 times a game.

How about getting a couple brutes that can actually block vs getting rag dolled.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Brown usually pushes his de back into the LB thus reaching the 2nd level with brute force.

Think this regime is taking this athleticism trait too far. It's really only on display for screen passes which we only run 2 times a game.

How about getting a couple brutes that can actually block vs getting rag dolled.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Brown usually pushes his de back into the LB thus reaching the 2nd level with brute force.

Think this regime is taking this athleticism trait too far. It's really only on display for screen passes which we only run 2 times a game.

How about getting a couple brutes that can actually block vs getting rag dolled.

How about:

Starter: Sub

LT Brown: Hill
LG Dickerson: Cole
C Bradbury: Dickerson, Cole
RG Cleveland: Udoh, 4th Rounder
RT O'Neill: Hill, Udoh

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

Let's see ...

OT – O'Neal (our only decent player on the OL), Hill (our only decent back-up on the OL, Cleveland (our only possible decent non-O'Neal / Hill player with a chance to to be solid [it remains to be seen])
C – Bradbury (struggling at best but still young and may be better with better Gs not yet on the roster)
G – Nobody (we are paying Cole more than just a body but that was a value pick-up, not a serious upgrade at the position).

(Cleveland has no business filling a two year gap at Guard; no, Udoh doesn't matter)

I would argue OT is the least of our OL woes but that's stretching it (without Reiff) ... G x 2 and even more, a G/C + G are far and away our biggest needs.

DE is a huge need but at least that position is bolstered by linemates Hunter Pierce Tomlinson (on paper).

Our guards stick out like ... let's just say that the nail that stands up gets hammered down.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

Let's see ...

OT – O'Neal (our only decent player on the OL), Hill (our only decent back-up on the OL, Cleveland (our only possible decent non-O'Neal / Hill player with a chance to to be solid [it remains to be seen])
C – Bradbury (struggling at best but still young and may be better with better Gs not yet on the roster)
G – Nobody (we are paying Cole more than just a body but that was a value pick-up, not a serious upgrade at the position).

(Cleveland has no business filling a two year gap at Guard; no, Udoh doesn't matter)

I would argue OT is the least of our OL woes but that's stretching it (without Reiff) ... G x 2 and even more, a G/C + G are far and away our biggest needs.

DE is a huge need but at least that position is bolstered by linemates Hunter Pierce Tomlinson (on paper).

Our guards stick out like ... let's just say that the nail that stands up gets hammered down.

Landon Dickerson looks like an animal.

But, ACL tear in December. Maybe PUP for 6 weeks and then chance to start after that.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I'm with Tom.

I think we'd do a lot more for our team by going G @14 and then again with one of our 3rds than using top resources with picks or $'s for a LT.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is from Malik on Twitter:

the more im thinking about it, the more im 90% sure Orlando Brown will be traded to the Vikings IF he gets traded.

Vikings send:
Pick 14
Pick 78

Ravens send:
Orlando Brown Jr
Pick 27

its clear the Vikings biggest need is OT. At pick 14 its likely the top 3 Tackles in the draft will all be taken.

Baltimore doesn’t have a 3rd round pick and Minnesota has two.

this move would allow the Ravens to come up for a high upside WR or Pass Rusher

and Vikes to get their OT of the future while being able to trade down from pick 27 to get back a 2nd that they didn’t have, OR to take an edge rusher of their own.

This is the ultimate win/win trade.

We could double up on the OLine with this move.

#27 Guards Dickerson or Davis

#78 O. Brown

Then go defense and WR after that. Possibly another OT/G type. Also, QBOTF- Franks from Arkansas

Malik thinks that the top three offensive linemen will be gone before #14. I still like Vera-Tucker. I'm not really a big fan of Brown, but I can't say that I'm a great Orlando Brown expert.

It would be an incredible u-turn for this regime to, 1) spend that kind of draft capital at OL and, 2) splurge on one of the most unathletic OTs (but young and somehow pretty decent) in recent memory. The scheme fit just isn't there. Also, Baltimore has apparently been asking for a #1 – they won't get it ... but not having a 2 may hamstring us there.

BUT ... like you say I am no Brown expert ... and at this point, any kind of attention to the OL is a Red Ryder BB gun Christmas present. Throwing a 300 lb sloth at OT is not any worse than throwing a prototypical slender 2nd rd OT at G.