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Would I be happy if they re-did his current deal, sure, that's another distraction we can do without. I just don't see it as a team responsibility, if I negotiate a great deal for myself and a contract is signed, I'm not in a hurry to re do so I can pay more money, but that's just me.

That attitude is precisely why Hunter is exercising the leverage he has at his disposal. As has been pointed out, if Hunter had underperformed, he would have been forced to negotiate a pay cut or be cut.

And if the Vikings are sincere in their desire to put last year behind them and put their best foot forward this year, you better believe it's a team responsibility.

One thing we have learned in this past 16 months, is that there are many differing opinions, we have that example right here. I don't understand the comment about the "Vikings sincere desire to put last year behind them", I'm sure it has something to do with the crappy year they had, but Hunter being absent, was just one piece of that issue. I'm not saying he's not worthy of more money, but re-negotiating a contract that has three years left on it, after a player has only played one year of said contract, is a small sample size for proving he has outperformed the contract he himself signed. Hey, go out this year and have a solid year, show yourself and everyone else that you are healthy, negotiate from a position of strength next year. I just don't see the "reason" a new contract is warrented.

Again, just a difference in our views on the subject!

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

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Take the gamble...pay 99 and lock him up for the next 5 years.

Yep. He's a cornerstone of the defense and an incredible talent. He's watched the team tear up the contracts of other players and give them raises. The teams have the best doctors money can buy. They know if he can play or not.

This whole mess should have been cleaned up by draft day. If they couldn't agree to a contract they would have had trade options for the draft. If Hunter had underperformed his contract, he would have been forced to either renegotiate to a more team favorable contract or would have been released. Hunter is exercising the only leverage he has. I have no problem with that.

He already pocketed the signing bonus and got paid last year for not playing at all. Because he signed long term deal and got the security that came with it. If he thinks creating bad will between himself and the team is leverage whatever.

Do you want him on the field this year or not?

Obviously we want him on the field this year. But I'm not sure it's in the Vikings best interest down the road to bow to his demands

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

Boy that simply isn't true. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him. He is the best pass rusher in football.

Good contract? The best DE in football is the 13th highest paid.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

Boy that simply isn't true. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him. He is the best pass rusher in football.

Good contract? The best DE in football is the 13th highest paid.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

Boy that simply isn't true. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him. He is the best pass rusher in football.

Good contract? The best DE in football is the 13th highest paid.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

Boy that simply isn't true. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him. He is the best pass rusher in football.

Good contract? The best DE in football is the 13th highest paid.

He hasn't rushed a QB since January 2020. He's coming off an injury that ended Kam Chancellor's career.... One that sapped a HOF QBs arm strength. we don't know how he will respond and how he will perform at all.

By the end of this season, if he plays at all we may regret paying him what we are currently paying him. It's all speculation at this point.

they shouldn't set a precedent of renegotiation when there are years left on a contract. If he had played last year and didn't have the neck issue. I would agree we should find a way to pay him more...but not under these circumstances.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

Boy that simply isn't true. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him. He is the best pass rusher in football.

Good contract? The best DE in football is the 13th highest paid.

Currently, do you really think he is the best defensive player in football?

He missed the entire season last year with a career threatning injury. Right now he is a huge question mark.

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If hunter is such a question mark then shame on the team for not finding his replacement. This defense with all 14 or so corner backs we have won’t do jack squat without a pass rush.

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Would I be happy if they re-did his current deal, sure, that's another distraction we can do without. I just don't see it as a team responsibility, if I negotiate a great deal for myself and a contract is signed, I'm not in a hurry to re do so I can pay more money, but that's just me.

That attitude is precisely why Hunter is exercising the leverage he has at his disposal. As has been pointed out, if Hunter had underperformed, he would have been forced to negotiate a pay cut or be cut.

And if the Vikings are sincere in their desire to put last year behind them and put their best foot forward this year, you better believe it's a team responsibility.

One thing we have learned in this past 16 months, is that there are many differing opinions, we have that example right here. I don't understand the comment about the "Vikings sincere desire to put last year behind them", I'm sure it has something to do with the crappy year they had, but Hunter being absent, was just one piece of that issue. I'm not saying he's not worthy of more money, but re-negotiating a contract that has three years left on it, after a player has only played one year of said contract, is a small sample size for proving he has outperformed the contract he himself signed. Hey, go out this year and have a solid year, show yourself and everyone else that you are healthy, negotiate from a position of strength next year. I just don't see the "reason" a new contract is warrented.

Again, just a difference in our views on the subject!

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If hunter is such a question mark then shame on the team for not finding his replacement. This defense with all 14 or so corner backs we have won’t do jack squat without a pass rush.

My thought as well. If Hunter was that iffy, I would assume the Vikings would have invested draft capital to address the issue earlier.

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Take the gamble...pay 99 and lock him up for the next 5 years.

Yep. He's a cornerstone of the defense and an incredible talent. He's watched the team tear up the contracts of other players and give them raises. The teams have the best doctors money can buy. They know if he can play or not.

This whole mess should have been cleaned up by draft day. If they couldn't agree to a contract they would have had trade options for the draft. If Hunter had underperformed his contract, he would have been forced to either renegotiate to a more team favorable contract or would have been released. Hunter is exercising the only leverage he has. I have no problem with that.

He already pocketed the signing bonus and got paid last year for not playing at all. Because he signed long term deal and got the security that came with it. If he thinks creating bad will between himself and the team is leverage whatever.

Do you want him on the field this year or not?

Yes and him reporting to camp is the best way to assure we see him on the field this year. Hunter violating his contract will lead to ill will and perhaps an impasse where he doesn't take the field for us this year.

And you don't see a new contract as a way to remedy that?

Sure give a player who we don't have a clue whether he's any good or not a new contract with a huge raise. Sure it would remedy that, but by no means worth the cost. The Vikings have already given Hunter a signing bonus and paid him for a year of not playing football. It's Hunter's turn to show some good will by honoring his contract and showing he is the all pro caliber defensive end he was in 2019. If he is then the Vikings will step up like they always do and rework his contract to be commensurate with Hunter's abilities. If he isn't Hunter still gets paid for 3 more years because he took the security route of signing a long term deal.

We have some clue. He's been sending videos of his workouts and Zimmer said they were impressive. He's not suddenly become a gimp. And to say Hunter needs to show some good will is so naive. Teams will dump a player in a heartbeat if they don't live up to expectations. After this year, Hunter only has $9 million guaranteed left on his deal. He is arguably the best defensive player in football. He is the most talented player on our team. If we were in a rebuilding mode I'd be less urgent with the need to keep him but if we don't put Hunter on the field this season then everything the team has done for the last three years has been for nothing. It would be the very definition of failure.

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Take the gamble...pay 99 and lock him up for the next 5 years.

Yep. He's a cornerstone of the defense and an incredible talent. He's watched the team tear up the contracts of other players and give them raises. The teams have the best doctors money can buy. They know if he can play or not.

This whole mess should have been cleaned up by draft day. If they couldn't agree to a contract they would have had trade options for the draft. If Hunter had underperformed his contract, he would have been forced to either renegotiate to a more team favorable contract or would have been released. Hunter is exercising the only leverage he has. I have no problem with that.

He already pocketed the signing bonus and got paid last year for not playing at all. Because he signed long term deal and got the security that came with it. If he thinks creating bad will between himself and the team is leverage whatever.

He got paid because he was injured while doing his job, just the way it should happen in a workplace injury. Just the NFL and other unscrupulous employers would have the lack of ethics and basic decency to withhold pay when someone is injured in the process of making money for them...in the NFL's case, billions of dollars.

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Take the gamble...pay 99 and lock him up for the next 5 years.

Yep. He's a cornerstone of the defense and an incredible talent. He's watched the team tear up the contracts of other players and give them raises. The teams have the best doctors money can buy. They know if he can play or not.

I don't remember us ever tearing up a contract. I've seen us give extensions but could be wrong.

I would be ok adding 3 years 90 M to his contract with low guaranteed money with that guarantee money coming in the form of signing bonus. Protects the team a little, ups Hunter's annual salary, gives him some money up front.

30 M a year for a non qb? That is some tall cotton.

it's ridiculous and would never happen...hunter is going into the 3rd year of a five-year extension - so far he's received about $19m for each of the two years of that deal, and much of that money upfront - a year before the extension even started....

so far, hunter has not been underpaid....
okay, so what do we do now that the balance of that extension only pays him $12m/yr for the final three years?....

i'd give him a new deal that makes him play this year for the $12m salary, with a team option to extend him three more years at $20m/yr...and yes, he'd have to add one more year to his present deal....

I dont think there are any Vikings fans that dont want to see Hunter in purple next year. There is a ton of speculation going on around this subject, but really, I haven't heard anything from Hunter himself. If he is going to hold out until he gets a new deal, it will be at the detriment of his fan base. The Vikings, and most NFL teams, have never done a restructure with three years remaining on a contract, so setting a president at this stage, with a player that hasn't yet passed a physical (that I know of), would be a terrible move on the organizations part. I agree with the comment above, pay [sm=dillydilly.jpg]guy his salary for this year, if he's solid this year, do the extension next year, where we do have presidence. I want Hunter on the Vikings for the rest of his career, but I follow the Vikings, not a certain player, if he is angry at the contract they/he negotiated just two years ago, he needs to work it out within the time line the team is comfortable with. Holding the team hostage is not a good look.

Would I be happy if they re-did his current deal, sure, that's another distraction we can do without. I just don't see it as a team responsibility, if I negotiate a great deal for myself and a contract is signed, I'm not in a hurry to re do so I can pay more money, but that's just me.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

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Would I be happy if they re-did his current deal, sure, that's another distraction we can do without. I just don't see it as a team responsibility, if I negotiate a great deal for myself and a contract is signed, I'm not in a hurry to re do so I can pay more money, but that's just me.

That attitude is precisely why Hunter is exercising the leverage he has at his disposal. As has been pointed out, if Hunter had underperformed, he would have been forced to negotiate a pay cut or be cut.

And if the Vikings are sincere in their desire to put last year behind them and put their best foot forward this year, you better believe it's a team responsibility.

One thing we have learned in this past 16 months, is that there are many differing opinions, we have that example right here. I don't understand the comment about the "Vikings sincere desire to put last year behind them", I'm sure it has something to do with the crappy year they had, but Hunter being absent, was just one piece of that issue. I'm not saying he's not worthy of more money, but re-negotiating a contract that has three years left on it, after a player has only played one year of said contract, is a small sample size for proving he has outperformed the contract he himself signed. Hey, go out this year and have a solid year, show yourself and everyone else that you are healthy, negotiate from a position of strength next year. I just don't see the "reason" a new contract is warrented.

Again, just a difference in our views on the subject!

It's very simple. The Vikings are supposedly all in on winning now. That doesn't happen without Hunter. You want to win, you sit down with Hunter.

Hunter has had sustained great years. You can't just put it in the context of one year. More sacks by age 25 than anyone in NFL history. Even then it's not just a matter of how Hunter performed against the deal. There is also the fact that after he signed his deal, a slew of much lesser defensive ends were signed to much bigger deals than Hunter's.

A new contract is warranted because he is forcing the issue. Given where his contract ranks among DE's, it's hardly surprising. If your not willing to sit down and negotiate with him, then trade him because there are plenty of other teams that will sit down with him.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

Boy that simply isn't true. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him. He is the best pass rusher in football.

Good contract? The best DE in football is the 13th highest paid.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

Boy that simply isn't true. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him. He is the best pass rusher in football.

Good contract? The best DE in football is the 13th highest paid.

He hasn't rushed a QB since January 2020. He's coming off an injury that ended Kam Chancellor's career.... One that sapped a HOF QBs arm strength. we don't know how he will respond and how he will perform at all.

By the end of this season, if he plays at all we may regret paying him what we are currently paying him. It's all speculation at this point.

they shouldn't set a precedent of renegotiation when there are years left on a contract. If he had played last year and didn't have the neck issue. I would agree we should find a way to pay him more...but not under these circumstances.

He will undergo a thorough physical before he can sign a new contract. If the Vikings don't want to pay him, someone else will. They can either renegotiate or take a principled stand and trade him. If you go for option B, the season just went down the toilet.

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If hunter is such a question mark then shame on the team for not finding his replacement. This defense with all 14 or so corner backs we have won’t do jack squat without a pass rush.

My thought as well. If Hunter was that iffy, I would assume the Vikings would have invested draft capital to address the issue earlier.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

The only leverage Hunter has is if the Vikings panic. He signed a five year deal played one year of it and collected the signing bonus plus two years pay. The more I think about it the more i start to think that Hunter is a misguided dishonorable person.

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Take the gamble...pay 99 and lock him up for the next 5 years.

Yep. He's a cornerstone of the defense and an incredible talent. He's watched the team tear up the contracts of other players and give them raises. The teams have the best doctors money can buy. They know if he can play or not.

This whole mess should have been cleaned up by draft day. If they couldn't agree to a contract they would have had trade options for the draft. If Hunter had underperformed his contract, he would have been forced to either renegotiate to a more team favorable contract or would have been released. Hunter is exercising the only leverage he has. I have no problem with that.

He already pocketed the signing bonus and got paid last year for not playing at all. Because he signed long term deal and got the security that came with it. If he thinks creating bad will between himself and the team is leverage whatever.

Do you want him on the field this year or not?

Yes and him reporting to camp is the best way to assure we see him on the field this year. Hunter violating his contract will lead to ill will and perhaps an impasse where he doesn't take the field for us this year.

And you don't see a new contract as a way to remedy that?

Sure give a player who we don't have a clue whether he's any good or not a new contract with a huge raise. Sure it would remedy that, but by no means worth the cost. The Vikings have already given Hunter a signing bonus and paid him for a year of not playing football. It's Hunter's turn to show some good will by honoring his contract and showing he is the all pro caliber defensive end he was in 2019. If he is then the Vikings will step up like they always do and rework his contract to be commensurate with Hunter's abilities. If he isn't Hunter still gets paid for 3 more years because he took the security route of signing a long term deal.

We have some clue. He's been sending videos of his workouts and Zimmer said they were impressive. He's not suddenly become a gimp. And to say Hunter needs to show some good will is so naive. Teams will dump a player in a heartbeat if they don't live up to expectations. After this year, Hunter only has $9 million guaranteed left on his deal. He is arguably the best defensive player in football. He is the most talented player on our team. If we were in a rebuilding mode I'd be less urgent with the need to keep him but if we don't put Hunter on the field this season then everything the team has done for the last three years has been for nothing. It would be the very definition of failure.

All the good will has come from the Vikings. The signing bonus and paying him for not playing last year. If Hunter can never play again the Vikings will still be paying him what? Another $40 million? To show good faith Hunter should honor his contract by showing up to any mandatory activities. Show the Vikings he is fully healed and the Vikings will compensate him like they always do their own.
I agree with you that Hunter assuming health is critical, but why would he have a problem doing what I suggest unless something is wrong with him? He's already protected in case of a practice injury.

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I don't care didily squat if Hunter is a Viking for life. I want him on the field THIS season. To make that happen he needs a new deal. Right now he makes Yannick Ngakoue money. Let that sink in a bit. Rest assured he has. Without him playing this season the team has NO chance of doing anything substantial. Obviously make it contingent on him passing a physical (as every contract already is).

He has a deal.

And a pretty good one.

Yannick Ngakoue is vastly overpaid.

Hunter signed the deal. He missed an entire year. He's very good if healthy but he needs to prove he's healthy. If he goes out there an dominates this year I will be all for him renegotiating his contract. but he missed all of last year with a neck injury. He has to show he is completely healthy and return to dominate.

If he doesn't play, he loses money and nobody will eventually sign him for more because of the attitude and injury history. He doesn't have as much leverage as people think IMO

The only leverage Hunter has is if the Vikings panic. He signed a five year deal played one year of it and collected the signing bonus plus two years pay. The more I think about it the more i start to think that Hunter is a misguided dishonorable person.

You don’t have one thing correct in this post other than that he signed a five-year-deal. Didn’t you have a spare forty seconds to look up the actual facts?

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Take the gamble...pay 99 and lock him up for the next 5 years.

Yep. He's a cornerstone of the defense and an incredible talent. He's watched the team tear up the contracts of other players and give them raises. The teams have the best doctors money can buy. They know if he can play or not.

This whole mess should have been cleaned up by draft day. If they couldn't agree to a contract they would have had trade options for the draft. If Hunter had underperformed his contract, he would have been forced to either renegotiate to a more team favorable contract or would have been released. Hunter is exercising the only leverage he has. I have no problem with that.

He already pocketed the signing bonus and got paid last year for not playing at all. Because he signed long term deal and got the security that came with it. If he thinks creating bad will between himself and the team is leverage whatever.

Do you want him on the field this year or not?

Yes and him reporting to camp is the best way to assure we see him on the field this year. Hunter violating his contract will lead to ill will and perhaps an impasse where he doesn't take the field for us this year.

And you don't see a new contract as a way to remedy that?

Sure give a player who we don't have a clue whether he's any good or not a new contract with a huge raise. Sure it would remedy that, but by no means worth the cost. The Vikings have already given Hunter a signing bonus and paid him for a year of not playing football. It's Hunter's turn to show some good will by honoring his contract and showing he is the all pro caliber defensive end he was in 2019. If he is then the Vikings will step up like they always do and rework his contract to be commensurate with Hunter's abilities. If he isn't Hunter still gets paid for 3 more years because he took the security route of signing a long term deal.

We have some clue. He's been sending videos of his workouts and Zimmer said they were impressive. He's not suddenly become a gimp. And to say Hunter needs to show some good will is so naive. Teams will dump a player in a heartbeat if they don't live up to expectations. After this year, Hunter only has $9 million guaranteed left on his deal. He is arguably the best defensive player in football. He is the most talented player on our team. If we were in a rebuilding mode I'd be less urgent with the need to keep him but if we don't put Hunter on the field this season then everything the team has done for the last three years has been for nothing. It would be the very definition of failure.

All the good will has come from the Vikings. The signing bonus and paying him for not playing last year. If Hunter can never play again the Vikings will still be paying him what? Another $40 million? To show good faith Hunter should honor his contract by showing up to any mandatory activities. Show the Vikings he is fully healed and the Vikings will compensate him like they always do their own.
I agree with you that Hunter assuming health is critical, but why would he have a problem doing what I suggest unless something is wrong with him? He's already protected in case of a practice injury.

Another $40 million? Try $15.3. And should he honor his ridiculously undervalued contract this year, continue to deliver elite excellence, and then suffer a career ending injury in the last game he is owed $7 million. There are players that can’t even sniff his jock with way better deals than him. He only gets a limited chance to make his money. Honor his current deal? That’s laughable. The team won’t honor one more penny than what’s guaranteed at their whim.

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Take the gamble...pay 99 and lock him up for the next 5 years.

Yep. He's a cornerstone of the defense and an incredible talent. He's watched the team tear up the contracts of other players and give them raises. The teams have the best doctors money can buy. They know if he can play or not.

This whole mess should have been cleaned up by draft day. If they couldn't agree to a contract they would have had trade options for the draft. If Hunter had underperformed his contract, he would have been forced to either renegotiate to a more team favorable contract or would have been released. Hunter is exercising the only leverage he has. I have no problem with that.

He already pocketed the signing bonus and got paid last year for not playing at all. Because he signed long term deal and got the security that came with it. If he thinks creating bad will between himself and the team is leverage whatever.

Do you want him on the field this year or not?

Yes and him reporting to camp is the best way to assure we see him on the field this year. Hunter violating his contract will lead to ill will and perhaps an impasse where he doesn't take the field for us this year.

And you don't see a new contract as a way to remedy that?

Sure give a player who we don't have a clue whether he's any good or not a new contract with a huge raise. Sure it would remedy that, but by no means worth the cost. The Vikings have already given Hunter a signing bonus and paid him for a year of not playing football. It's Hunter's turn to show some good will by honoring his contract and showing he is the all pro caliber defensive end he was in 2019. If he is then the Vikings will step up like they always do and rework his contract to be commensurate with Hunter's abilities. If he isn't Hunter still gets paid for 3 more years because he took the security route of signing a long term deal.

We have some clue. He's been sending videos of his workouts and Zimmer said they were impressive. He's not suddenly become a gimp. And to say Hunter needs to show some good will is so naive. Teams will dump a player in a heartbeat if they don't live up to expectations. After this year, Hunter only has $9 million guaranteed left on his deal. He is arguably the best defensive player in football. He is the most talented player on our team. If we were in a rebuilding mode I'd be less urgent with the need to keep him but if we don't put Hunter on the field this season then everything the team has done for the last three years has been for nothing. It would be the very definition of failure.

All the good will has come from the Vikings. The signing bonus and paying him for not playing last year. If Hunter can never play again the Vikings will still be paying him what? Another $40 million? To show good faith Hunter should honor his contract by showing up to any mandatory activities. Show the Vikings he is fully healed and the Vikings will compensate him like they always do their own.
I agree with you that Hunter assuming health is critical, but why would he have a problem doing what I suggest unless something is wrong with him? He's already protected in case of a practice injury.

Another $40 million? Try $15.3. And should he honor his ridiculously undervalued contract this year, continue to deliver elite excellence, and then suffer a career ending injury in the last game he is owed $7 million. There are players that can’t even sniff his jock with way better deals than him. He only gets a limited chance to make his money. Honor his current deal? That’s laughable. The team won’t honor one more penny than what’s guaranteed at their whim.

I just looked up the Spotrac details. 5 years 72Million 15 million of that signing bonus prorated over the 5 years but paid up front. Remaining compensation for the next 3 years is.
2021 12,150,000 + 500,000 Roster Bonus
2022 11,400,000 + 500,000 Roster Bonus
2023 11,400,000

remaining compensation to be paid 36,950,000 Factor in the prorated signing bonus and it's 45,950,000

DF you are so full of crap.
After double checking what looks like intentional blatant lies I don't know if I can believe anything you say here.