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Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:10:58 AM)

The interior of this D-line could be fun. If we can stop the run and get pressure with just the front four, we could be in for a special year with the back seven that is in place. We couldn’t pressure the pocket at all from the interior last year.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:12:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Burns

But still you needle Trekgeekscott. I wouldn't have posted links if I wasn't asked to do so by people on this forum. Even in your retort you still can't seem to avoid throwing in a political jab.

Maybe YOU should just talk Vikings too.

Now, what do you think about the upgrades to the D-line?



Here's some Needling.

I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO BRING YOUR ARGUMENTS TO THE POLITICAL THREADS.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:14:03 AM)

I think the skill positions could be special on offence. I love hearing about and seeing clips of some of the young receivers. Throw in what Irv Smith can do, we could be a matchup nightmare for teams to cover.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:15:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Burns

But still you needle Trekgeekscott. I wouldn't have posted links if I wasn't asked to do so by people on this forum. Even in your retort you still can't seem to avoid throwing in a political jab.

Maybe YOU should just talk Vikings too.

Now, what do you think about the upgrades to the D-line?



Here's some Needling.

I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO BRING YOUR ARGUMENTS TO THE POLITICAL THREADS.

quote:

Now, what do you think about the upgrades to the D-line?


Cool Cool Cool. Now, what do you think about the upgrades to the D-line?




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:15:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Burns

what do you think about the upgrades to the D-line?


My concerns on the Dline are as follows

Is Hunter truly healthy and will he return to pre-injury form?
Who will play on the blind side? Will Wonnum take a step up? Will Weatherly be enough? Will a rookie shock the world?

The interior, if healthy will be garnering comparisons to the Williams Wall by season's end.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:21:42 AM)

Between Wonnum, Robinson, and Jones, you would hope at least one of them can bring the heat.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:22:26 AM)

I'm so excited for preseason football.
Unfortunately, we won’t probably see much of Pierce and Hunter,
But we should get an extra heaping helping of the young fellas.
I hope we have a future Doleman on our hands.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:23:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Burns

I'm excited about Udoh. I want to see what he can do in preseason. He has great athleticism. I worry about the position change, but he is reportedly very intelligent and well spoken about the transition. He is an easy guy to root for.
Bradberry scares me though. I don’t like what I have seen from him up to this point.


Once again

I am not giving Bradbury a pass, but...

Who has played along side him on either side of him for most of the last two years?

Dakota Dozier on one side and Elflein, Jones, piles of shit on the other. He's got no support and can't do it all himself.

I would like to see how good he is with competent Gs on either side of him.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:25:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Burns

I think the skill positions could be special on offence. I love hearing about and seeing clips of some of the young receivers. Throw in what Irv Smith can do, we could be a matchup nightmare for teams to cover.



Depth at WR and a bit at TE is a concern at this point.


Otherwise I would agree.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:27:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Burns

I think the skill positions could be special on offence. I love hearing about and seeing clips of some of the young receivers. Throw in what Irv Smith can do, we could be a matchup nightmare for teams to cover.


Hey, Cronklin ain't no slouch.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:27:56 AM)

Kirk should have no excusses on the field this year. I hope the offensive game plan gets some juice from the young buck calling the shots.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:29:10 AM)

This team - on paper - could throw up 30 points a game




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:32:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Burns

I think the skill positions could be special on offence. I love hearing about and seeing clips of some of the young receivers. Throw in what Irv Smith can do, we could be a matchup nightmare for teams to cover.


Hey, Cronklin ain't no slouch.



I love Conklin, In limited time he impressed me a lot last year. Blocks well Catches well and unlike Rudy, can actually get YAC.

but I fear overexposure may mitigate some of that.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:40:48 AM)

OK. Position by Position analysis

QB

1 Kirk Cousins
His greatest asset has been that he doesn't miss games (putting that in jeopardy this year). He does well between the 20s. High completion percentage, accurate passer, but he wilts under pressure, he sucks in the 2 minute drill (for you Brad), and he has revealed himself to be a self important prick who puts his own feelings over what is best for the team.

2. Kellen Mond
Has taken an NFL snap. Athletic enough but we really don't know what we have. Is he another Russell Wilson, or Spugeon Wynn? Only time will tell

3 Jake Browning
Arm strength is questionable at best, but seems like he's leading the competition for QB2...it doesn't hurt that he was the only one who could practice this past week. But he hasn't taken a single NFL snap.

4. Nate Stanley - jasn't taken a single NFL snap and at this point i think it will be a miracle if he's even on the practice squad this year.

This is the most important position on the field in the NFL. and we are one injury or sniffle away from disaster.

I just get a terrible feeling that we are ****ed because of this. Not that last year was any better with Shawn Mannion...but still




twinsfan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:51:38 AM)

Judd Zulgad:

Kirk Cousins spent 10 minutes at a podium before the Vikings’ practice Thursday and proved what was suspected all along. There is always an excuse for why something happened to him and he wants you to know this: It’s not his fault. Ever. That can be an interception, a bad day, a tough loss, or, as we found out, why he spent the past five days quarantined at home after the unvaccinated quarterback was deemed to have close contact to fellow QB Kellen Mond during a time when the rookie had COVID-19.

This time Cousins pointed to the size of the meeting room in which the quarterbacks gather — it was too small and has been changed — and Cousins is now considering setting up Plexiglas around where he sits. We’re not kidding. He really said this. All of this to avoid getting vaccinated for COVID-19, a decision that would make Cousins’ life much easier and pretty much assure he could play in games this season unless he got a breakthrough case. As it is the NFL is actively looking for reasons to punish unvaccinated players and, in Cousins’ case, they found one less than a week into training camp.

The $31 million man refused to say if he was considering getting a vaccination, although it is clear he isn’t. Told that his decision affects his coaches, teammates and Vikings fans, Cousins simply said he would “agree to disagree” with the person asking the question.

Compare what Cousins is doing to the decision made by Tennessee quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

“I wouldn’t have got the vaccine without the protocols they are enforcing on us,” he said. “It’s a personal decision for everyone. Everyone has to make the best decision for them and their families. That is kind of our mindset in this building, but they are trying to force your hand. … I love this game, I love this team, I want to be able to compete and do the things that are important to build chemistry and win football games. Ultimately, that forced my hand into getting the vaccine.”

Tannehill clearly isn’t happy but he also wants to give his team the best chance to win.

Cousins? Not so much.

Cousins’ lack of accountability was astounding considering he is the only real option to start at quarterback this season, if Mike Zimmer’s club wants to reach its goals. Cousins feeling that he will control the situation by staying away from close contact to anyone who tests positive for COVID-19 is incredibly naive considering how sneaky this virus is and how many potential variants are going to continue to pop up.

Somehow, Cousins thinks he’s in control, when the reality from the day the coronavirus reached this country is no one is in control. We’re doing the best we can and the vaccinations are part of that. If Cousins worked in an office or drove a truck, he would never have to stand at a podium and answer the questions he did on Thursday. But he’s the quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings and his backup is a nice young man named Jake Browning, who right now has no business being asked to start a regular-season game.


Cousins did say he had a productive conversation with Zimmer on Wednesday night and that things were fine between them, although he would not elaborate. He also said Zimmer’s comment about Cousins not believing in the protocols put in place by the NFL was not true. One has to think Cousins might have been stretching the truth a bit in describing how the conversation went.

Considering Zimmer expressed his dismay with Cousins and other unvaccinated players (the Vikings have plenty) twice during recent press conferences and then once on the radio, it’s hard to believe the no-nonsense coach decided to change his tune for a quarterback who is willing to put his team’s season in jeopardy.

So what happens if Cousins’ plan to avoid human contact at all costs falls short, either at the Vikings’ facility or at home? He will miss a game and have to answer these questions again, no doubt doing his best to deflect blame elsewhere. That’s OK, though, Cousins is an All-Pro when it comes to absolving himself. Sometimes that means showing Adam Thielen he ran the wrong route, even if he didn’t. If Cousins misses a game, it certainly will be the Vikings fault, or the person giving the test, or anyone else who looks like a convenient scapegoat.

The worst part is Cousins thinks we buy this garbage. He believes we’re suckers. But we aren’t as dumb as he thinks.

Cousins’ defenders will point to his stats and production on the field, making them part of the Cult of Kirk. The rational fans realize that no matter what Cousins does with his arm, it’s his mind that will be the reason he will remain nothing more than a Box Score quarterback for the remainder of his career.

Winners lead, they worry about their teammates and coaches, they concern themselves with helping others and not just themselves. That will never be Kirk Cousins. He always will focus on the guy in the No. 8 jersey and whatever happens around him, happens. If we didn’t know this before Thursday, we do now.




DavidAOlson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 11:59:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Burns

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/go-moderna-calls-3rd-shot-vaccine-protect-new-strains/

More shots, more profits. Yeah!.................. More suckers.

As the saying goes, never let a good crisis go to waste:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/covid-vaccine-billionaires/index.html

Although I don’t doubt the efficacy of the covid vaccines, extremely safe, re-purposed drugs (e.g., ivermectin) could have put us on a better path far sooner for a fraction of the cost. To me, the failure to seriously consider these inexpensive alternatives paints a very poor picture of the way high-level healthcare decisions are made in the U.S. If you think I’m talking nonsense, check out the data:

https://ivmmeta.com/


You're clearly not familiar with the research because there was a massive effort to screen already existing drugs to see if any had an effect. One even got approval (Remdesivir), despite a weak effect.

You'll note the site's work hasn't been submitted to a reputable journal. But that's because it wouldn't pass peer review. It's faux science, dressed up with enough numbers to fake out people who don't do science.

For example, the site undercuts itself: it responds to the critique by an "internet personality" by avoiding the critique. For example, the critique noted the site didn't contact the authors in cited papers (essential in a meta-analysis), and the site never responds to that issue. Instead it just throws dirt in the air by saying that the "internet personality" admits he didn't contact all the authors, either. But that's not a requirement of the critique; the site admitted they didn't even do the basics right.

Another issue is that ivermectin was only effective against the virus in a cell culture. When scientists attempted to replicate the effect in human cells, it failed. Skipping over a lot of biochemical details... but for example https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.17.444467v2 ; even when they increased the concentration to ridiculous levels, it still failed.

The site attempts to minimize that issue, but mostly waves it off in a way that shows it's not doing science. The reason why actual scientific results are strong is because they connect everything. Pre-clinical: show the drug works in various cell cultures, explain the biochemical mechanisms, show it works in test organisms. Then comes clinical testing to show it actually works in practice.

The pandemic effort to repurpose drugs was a magnet for fraud. I suspect that's because if a drug showed any potential in the initial screening, someone could generate a fraudulent study showing "it worked" and get lots of attention. It was a long-shot gamble with fame if the drug actually worked. Unfortunately in a pandemic, people desperate for anything would glom onto the hope provided by those fraudsters.




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:06:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

[sm=popcorn.gif]


I hear ya, and it's a bad bad movie, too .... one of the worst ones ever put on at Talkvikes - hard to find more than an actor or two worthy of a good review.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:09:28 PM)

I think DAO's mic drop is a beautiful way to end the "debate".

Go Vikes!




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:10:45 PM)

RB

Dalvin Cook -

He needs to play all 17 games this year. When on the field he is one of the best at his position, but the knock on him has been health. He misses games every year.

Alexander Mattison -

Pretty good number 2 can fill in and give Cook a breather and we don't lose much, but not a long term solution. there is a noticeable drop in play making ability when Cook is out.

Kene Ngwangwu - intriguing rookie and if there on one position on the field that rookie can contribute in year one without it being something of a miracle it's RB. Plus he can return kicks.

Ameer Abdullah - he is what he is a 3rd down back who can catch very well. and a veteran who can mentor younger players.


FB

C J Hamm - not losing his job and decent at it.

something called Jake Bargas - camp fodder




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:19:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

I think DAO's mic drop is a beautiful way to end the "debate".

Go Vikes!


Lame. Mike drop, more like turd flop.

You want to keep spouting nonsense or talk Vikes?

How about some of you other folks?

Want to talk nonsense or Vikes?




DavidAOlson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:20:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

OK. Position by Position analysis

QB

1 Kirk Cousins
His greatest asset has been that he doesn't miss games (putting that in jeopardy this year). He does well between the 20s. High completion percentage, accurate passer, but he wilts under pressure, he sucks in the 2 minute drill (for you Brad), and he has revealed himself to be a self important prick who puts his own feelings over what is best for the team.

2. Kellen Mond
Has[n't] taken an NFL snap. Athletic enough but we really don't know what we have. Is he another Russell Wilson, or Spugeon Wynn? Only time will tell

3 Jake Browning
Arm strength is questionable at best, but seems like he's leading the competition for QB2...it doesn't hurt that he was the only one who could practice this past week. But he hasn't taken a single NFL snap.

4. Nate Stanley - jasn't taken a single NFL snap and at this point i think it will be a miracle if he's even on the practice squad this year.

This is the most important position on the field in the NFL. and we are one injury or sniffle away from disaster.

I just get a terrible feeling that we are ****ed because of this. Not that last year was any better with Shawn Mannion...but still


Fixed a typo.

I'd put Browning at #2. I'm pretty sure the Vikes didn't re-sign Mannion because they thought Browning was ready to be an adequate #2. And no way does Zim rely on a 3rd round rookie QB, particularly one who looked like he had a lot of developmental work to do in rookie camp.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:30:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

"More people have died from the vaccine than have died from covid". Thanks buddy.

His idiocy is off the charts..

600k+ from Covid.

I’d like to see the source information for that claim about the Covid vaccine..

Wait.. it doesn’t exist..

What a shipdit…




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:34:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

"More people have died from the vaccine than have died from covid". Thanks buddy.

His idiocy is off the charts..

600k+ from Covid.

I’d like to see the source information for that claim about the Covid vaccine..

Wait.. it doesn’t exist..

What a shipdit…



Posted earlier bud, did you watch the vid? Or did your lazy, all knowing, cool cat demeaner, prevent you from checking it out?
This is too easy.
Wanna talk Vikes? Or continue to be ignorant?




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:39:09 PM)

You ever think sometimes that crap data going in will be crap data coming out?

Who gains from data manipulation Dan?

It ain't you.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/6/2021 12:58:41 PM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M&t=68s

Joe Rogan show. I don't like the F-Bombs but listen to this and think about how this not only impacts society, but for this forum, the Vikings players. The Vikings Covid policy could put the players at risk. Not just for the season, but for their lives.

Profound.




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