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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

When I watched the Marsette Highlight I saw a player good at catching contested passes who seemed to have to catch far too many contested passes. In a highlight reel particularly shouldn't he be getting wide open?

If he's willing to work and learn, he's got two very good route runners to help him get wide open to learn from.

I expect Marsette to make the team and maybe even be our #3 eventually. I just am not too excited regarding him at this point. When I watched JJ highlights last year he was almost always wide open.

He can return punts...

so He can contribute there right away.

And in the attached highlights above he was open a lot.
I wouldn't expect JJ level burst onto the scene, but I do think he will be a big part of our offense eventually.

Is this based on his zero punt returns at Iowa? He literally never even caught a punt in a game in college, so why why the declaration of certainty that he can contribute as a punt returner right away?

I am optimistic about him and all the draft picks, as I always am because I'm a fan, but we don't have to embrace fiction or fantasy. The Iowa State RB is very fast, but for some reason couldn't get carries in college...in spite of being a very fast one-cut runner. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be a poor man's Michael Bennett. Smith-Marsette has actual game production to base optimism on, but never as a punt returner. But people tout the pick based in part on his immediate impact as a punt returner (not just you). I have to say I don't get it.

Question to the team? Who will handle Punt Returns this year? I actually have no idea?

Whop Philyor
Chad Beebe
Mike Hughes
KJ Osborn
Kene Nwangwu
Blake Proehl

A very uninspiring group

Sign a free agent that could pass as a 4th or 5th WR

Jamal Agnew
Tavon Austin
Tyler Ervin
Pharoh Cooper
Andre Roberts

It's really much more of an issue than KO return, and I don't have any idea. It could be Smith-Marsette, Beebe, Hughes (why not?), Osborn if he's shown anything in the offseason, etc.

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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

When I watched the Marsette Highlight I saw a player good at catching contested passes who seemed to have to catch far too many contested passes. In a highlight reel particularly shouldn't he be getting wide open?

If he's willing to work and learn, he's got two very good route runners to help him get wide open to learn from.

I expect Marsette to make the team and maybe even be our #3 eventually. I just am not too excited regarding him at this point. When I watched JJ highlights last year he was almost always wide open.

He can return punts...

so He can contribute there right away.

And in the attached highlights above he was open a lot.
I wouldn't expect JJ level burst onto the scene, but I do think he will be a big part of our offense eventually.

Is this based on his zero punt returns at Iowa? He literally never even caught a punt in a game in college, so why why the declaration of certainty that he can contribute as a punt returner right away?

I am optimistic about him and all the draft picks, as I always am because I'm a fan, but we don't have to embrace fiction or fantasy. The Iowa State RB is very fast, but for some reason couldn't get carries in college...in spite of being a very fast one-cut runner. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be a poor man's Michael Bennett. Smith-Marsette has actual game production to base optimism on, but never as a punt returner. But people tout the pick based in part on his immediate impact as a punt returner (not just you). I have to say I don't get it.

Question to the team? Who will handle Punt Returns this year? I actually have no idea?

Whop Philyor
Chad Beebe
Mike Hughes
KJ Osborn
Kene Nwangwu
Blake Proehl

A very uninspiring group

Sign a free agent that could pass as a 4th or 5th WR

Jamal Agnew
Tavon Austin
Tyler Ervin
Pharoh Cooper
Andre Roberts

It's really much more of an issue than KO return, and I don't have any idea. It could be Smith-Marsette, Beebe, Hughes (why not?), Osborn if he's shown anything in the offseason, etc.

Maybe this will be our 3rd wide out and PR/KR

According to ESPN reporter Josina Anderson, the Vikings are interested in the former Jaguars WR Dede Westbrook. Westbrook has had early successes in his career so far, and would join a talented receiver room with Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen.

The interest comes in no surprise as Vikings hired former Jaguars WR coach Keenan McCardell this off-season. McCardell is a big fan of Dede Westbrook. The four year pro had a quiet season last year, but would get plenty of opportunities on a Vikings’s squad looking for some much needed depth.

The signing would provide the Vikings with a quality third option in the wide receiving core and would allow Viking’s rookie Ihmir Smith-Marsette some time to develop and gain some strength. Stay tuned for more news regarding the situation.

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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

When I watched the Marsette Highlight I saw a player good at catching contested passes who seemed to have to catch far too many contested passes. In a highlight reel particularly shouldn't he be getting wide open?

If he's willing to work and learn, he's got two very good route runners to help him get wide open to learn from.

I expect Marsette to make the team and maybe even be our #3 eventually. I just am not too excited regarding him at this point. When I watched JJ highlights last year he was almost always wide open.

He can return punts...

so He can contribute there right away.

And in the attached highlights above he was open a lot.
I wouldn't expect JJ level burst onto the scene, but I do think he will be a big part of our offense eventually.

Is this based on his zero punt returns at Iowa? He literally never even caught a punt in a game in college, so why why the declaration of certainty that he can contribute as a punt returner right away?

I am optimistic about him and all the draft picks, as I always am because I'm a fan, but we don't have to embrace fiction or fantasy. The Iowa State RB is very fast, but for some reason couldn't get carries in college...in spite of being a very fast one-cut runner. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be a poor man's Michael Bennett. Smith-Marsette has actual game production to base optimism on, but never as a punt returner. But people tout the pick based in part on his immediate impact as a punt returner (not just you). I have to say I don't get it.

Question to the team? Who will handle Punt Returns this year? I actually have no idea?

Whop Philyor
Chad Beebe
Mike Hughes
KJ Osborn
Kene Nwangwu
Blake Proehl

A very uninspiring group

Sign a free agent that could pass as a 4th or 5th WR

Jamal Agnew
Tavon Austin
Tyler Ervin
Pharoh Cooper
Andre Roberts

It's really much more of an issue than KO return, and I don't have any idea. It could be Smith-Marsette, Beebe, Hughes (why not?), Osborn if he's shown anything in the offseason, etc.

Maybe this will be our 3rd wide out and PR/KR

According to ESPN reporter Josina Anderson, the Vikings are interested in the former Jaguars WR Dede Westbrook. Westbrook has had early successes in his career so far, and would join a talented receiver room with Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen.

The interest comes in no surprise as Vikings hired former Jaguars WR coach Keenan McCardell this off-season. McCardell is a big fan of Dede Westbrook. The four year pro had a quiet season last year, but would get plenty of opportunities on a Vikings’s squad looking for some much needed depth.

The signing would provide the Vikings with a quality third option in the wide receiving core and would allow Viking’s rookie Ihmir Smith-Marsette some time to develop and gain some strength. Stay tuned for more news regarding the situation.





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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

When I watched the Marsette Highlight I saw a player good at catching contested passes who seemed to have to catch far too many contested passes. In a highlight reel particularly shouldn't he be getting wide open?

If he's willing to work and learn, he's got two very good route runners to help him get wide open to learn from.

I expect Marsette to make the team and maybe even be our #3 eventually. I just am not too excited regarding him at this point. When I watched JJ highlights last year he was almost always wide open.

He can return punts...

so He can contribute there right away.

And in the attached highlights above he was open a lot.
I wouldn't expect JJ level burst onto the scene, but I do think he will be a big part of our offense eventually.

Is this based on his zero punt returns at Iowa? He literally never even caught a punt in a game in college, so why why the declaration of certainty that he can contribute as a punt returner right away?

I am optimistic about him and all the draft picks, as I always am because I'm a fan, but we don't have to embrace fiction or fantasy. The Iowa State RB is very fast, but for some reason couldn't get carries in college...in spite of being a very fast one-cut runner. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be a poor man's Michael Bennett. Smith-Marsette has actual game production to base optimism on, but never as a punt returner. But people tout the pick based in part on his immediate impact as a punt returner (not just you). I have to say I don't get it.

Question to the team? Who will handle Punt Returns this year? I actually have no idea?

Whop Philyor
Chad Beebe
Mike Hughes
KJ Osborn
Kene Nwangwu
Blake Proehl

A very uninspiring group

Sign a free agent that could pass as a 4th or 5th WR

Jamal Agnew
Tavon Austin
Tyler Ervin
Pharoh Cooper
Andre Roberts

It's really much more of an issue than KO return, and I don't have any idea. It could be Smith-Marsette, Beebe, Hughes (why not?), Osborn if he's shown anything in the offseason, etc.

Maybe this will be our 3rd wide out and PR/KR

According to ESPN reporter Josina Anderson, the Vikings are interested in the former Jaguars WR Dede Westbrook. Westbrook has had early successes in his career so far, and would join a talented receiver room with Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen.

The interest comes in no surprise as Vikings hired former Jaguars WR coach Keenan McCardell this off-season. McCardell is a big fan of Dede Westbrook. The four year pro had a quiet season last year, but would get plenty of opportunities on a Vikings’s squad looking for some much needed depth.

The signing would provide the Vikings with a quality third option in the wide receiving core and would allow Viking’s rookie Ihmir Smith-Marsette some time to develop and gain some strength. Stay tuned for more news regarding the situation.

I saw this, too. Seems like a great option this late in the game, or maybe no matter the timing. I don't know a lot about him, but a quick scan looks promising.

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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

+1

Seems like we're getting some spill over from the unmonitered political thread.

The posters that are carrying grudges with other posters need to leave it at the door step.

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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.

Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.

So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

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Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

I'm not sure I would want to plug in a DE at our WR3 spot.

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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

Historically, you're not exactly an innocent here. I would say you seem to have made a concerted effort more recently to avoid that crap.

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

I'm not sure I would want to plug in a DE at our WR3 spot.

I... believe I stated... Paragraph 1 was about WR...about Kerrigan...

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

I'm not sure I would want to plug in a DE at our WR3 spot.

I... believe I stated... Paragraph 1 was about WR...about Kerrigan...

OMG look! Clearly you were stating Kerrigan for WR!

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if westbrook tore his acl last season he's not returning punts or kicks this year...hughes never really came back to that with any confidence....

if smith-marsette looks good during preseason, i say play him at wr3...he's got some stefon diggs in him, and by the 3rd/4th game he could find himself...maybe provide some spark - not just a possession guy....

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I wish it would just finally stop. Before it's nothing but posters picking at other posters. Its not there yet but its close. I'm not saying I want to sing kumbayah with every person who's ever posted buz geez, admit it, some really good posters don't post and share information bc there's this forever labeling and side choosing and moral compass fights.

Let's be better.

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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

When I watched the Marsette Highlight I saw a player good at catching contested passes who seemed to have to catch far too many contested passes. In a highlight reel particularly shouldn't he be getting wide open?

If he's willing to work and learn, he's got two very good route runners to help him get wide open to learn from.

I expect Marsette to make the team and maybe even be our #3 eventually. I just am not too excited regarding him at this point. When I watched JJ highlights last year he was almost always wide open.

He can return punts...

so He can contribute there right away.

And in the attached highlights above he was open a lot.
I wouldn't expect JJ level burst onto the scene, but I do think he will be a big part of our offense eventually.

Is this based on his zero punt returns at Iowa? He literally never even caught a punt in a game in college, so why why the declaration of certainty that he can contribute as a punt returner right away?

I am optimistic about him and all the draft picks, as I always am because I'm a fan, but we don't have to embrace fiction or fantasy. The Iowa State RB is very fast, but for some reason couldn't get carries in college...in spite of being a very fast one-cut runner. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be a poor man's Michael Bennett. Smith-Marsette has actual game production to base optimism on, but never as a punt returner. But people tout the pick based in part on his immediate impact as a punt returner (not just you). I have to say I don't get it.

Question to the team? Who will handle Punt Returns this year? I actually have no idea?

Whop Philyor
Chad Beebe
Mike Hughes
KJ Osborn
Kene Nwangwu
Blake Proehl

A very uninspiring group

Sign a free agent that could pass as a 4th or 5th WR

Jamal Agnew
Tavon Austin
Tyler Ervin
Pharoh Cooper
Andre Roberts

It's really much more of an issue than KO return, and I don't have any idea. It could be Smith-Marsette, Beebe, Hughes (why not?), Osborn if he's shown anything in the offseason, etc.

Maybe this will be our 3rd wide out and PR/KR

According to ESPN reporter Josina Anderson, the Vikings are interested in the former Jaguars WR Dede Westbrook. Westbrook has had early successes in his career so far, and would join a talented receiver room with Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen.

The interest comes in no surprise as Vikings hired former Jaguars WR coach Keenan McCardell this off-season. McCardell is a big fan of Dede Westbrook. The four year pro had a quiet season last year, but would get plenty of opportunities on a Vikings’s squad looking for some much needed depth.

The signing would provide the Vikings with a quality third option in the wide receiving core and would allow Viking’s rookie Ihmir Smith-Marsette some time to develop and gain some strength. Stay tuned for more news regarding the situation.

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Smith - Marsette hilights... This was what we needed. PUMPED

Lengthy hilight reel.. but worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pR7m07KLqA

Nate Stanley looks pretty good in these, as well!

SOD. My favorite draft pick br far.

Especially when you consider his QB at Iowa was crap. Several of those plays, he had gotten wide open only to have to slow up and wait for the ball and the DB to get there.

That could explain why I saw him making so many contested catches.

Also he won't have the #1 CB on him....which would explain the tight coverage too.

The Vikes probably are only needing 20-30 catches from a third WR. 150-180 from Thielen/JJ. 40-50 from Irv. 30 to Cook.....so 100 catches from the rest?

You really think the coverage he faced at Iowa was better than what he will face in the nfl?

Really.

So Tom you think 20-30 catches for him/Bisi/Beebe isn't reality and is too obtuse?

I read somewhere that we went 3 wide last year fewer times than anybody else.

That supports the platoon approach that you are talking about (with average or not yet developed players) combining for 30-40 recs. Sufficient? yes.

but still ... as an example ...

IMO it would be a sin to under-bid Dede Westbrook by whatever because we can fall back on freaking Bisi / Beebe / Smith-Marsette ...

We might have no say in the matter at all, we might not have the money to be close but ... you know what I mean?

I am just tired of aiming low with our back-ups (mostly on offense with Zimmer).

WRs, Gs, before Mond it included back-up QB. With Rudolph gone, it now includes TE (if we run two TE sets more than anybody...)

Mond was an important investment of capital. and very non-Spielmanesque.

Same with G Davis. Spielman has never drafted 2 OL in the first 3 rounds.

Dede Westbrook would be a very solid addition. also very non-Spielmanesque. (I can't see it happening)

I understand that no team in the league has a B team of potential starters ... but we are so close to accumulating some solid depth this offseason and not just fillers ...

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The caveat with Dede Westbrook is that he did suffer an ACL tear last October. Still, I see no downside to bringing him in. We need an upgrade from Beebe and while Smith-Marsette could get there, he seems like a long term project at this point.

I have also heard the Vikings are interested in DE Ryan Kerrigan from Washington.

I'm not sure I would want to plug in a DE at our WR3 spot.

I don't believe I stated that they were. Paragraph 1 was about WR. Paragraph 2 was about Kerrigan at DE.