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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: marty

I see Smith-Marsette more as a #4 WR, sorta like Aldrick Robinson, catches a deep pass once in a great while.

I don't fully understand Bisi's regression, thought he might be a great, tough #3 someday, sorta like the aging Boldan, to convert 3rd downs. Does Bisi lack the speed to be that ?

Will having an improved OL, lead KC to more conversions with Bisi on 3rd downs ?

Not to go all stats on the board, but I read somewhere, that Bisi was pretty solid on receiving yards per route. Played well when asked to spot start, I think averaging 75 years a game. Both can be verified.

I like SM, both as a deep threat and to develop. But of course, very early to speculate.

As Brad has posted many times, not a lot of pie left in a two TE/2 WR heavy offense for 3rd/4th WRs.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: marty

I see Smith-Marsette more as a #4 WR, sorta like Aldrick Robinson, catches a deep pass once in a great while.

I don't fully understand Bisi's regression, thought he might be a great, tough #3 someday, sorta like the aging Boldan, to convert 3rd downs. Does Bisi lack the speed to be that ?

Will having an improved OL, lead KC to more conversions with Bisi on 3rd downs ?

Not to go all stats on the board, but I read somewhere, that Bisi was pretty solid on receiving yards per route. Played well when asked to spot start, I think averaging 75 years a game. Both can be verified.

I like SM, both as a deep threat and to develop. But of course, very early to speculate.

As Brad has posted many times, not a lot of pie left in a two TE/2 WR heavy offense for 3rd/4th WRs.

He didn't average anywhere near 75 ypg starting.
2019 - about 20 ypg
2020 - about 50 ypg

And ypc
2019 - 9.5
2020 - 13.5 but on an extremely small sample size with only 14 catches on the year.

When you say the stats can be verified, I surmise you are saying they need to be verified and not that you have.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

But as has been stated, we need a good WR to step up if JJ or AT are injured. Maybe Bisi Boldon is the guy.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: marty

I see Smith-Marsette more as a #4 WR, sorta like Aldrick Robinson, catches a deep pass once in a great while.

I don't fully understand Bisi's regression, thought he might be a great, tough #3 someday, sorta like the aging Boldan, to convert 3rd downs. Does Bisi lack the speed to be that ?

Will having an improved OL, lead KC to more conversions with Bisi on 3rd downs ?

Not to go all stats on the board, but I read somewhere, that Bisi was pretty solid on receiving yards per route. Played well when asked to spot start, I think averaging 75 years a game. Both can be verified.

I like SM, both as a deep threat and to develop. But of course, very early to speculate.

As Brad has posted many times, not a lot of pie left in a two TE/2 WR heavy offense for 3rd/4th WRs.

He didn't average anywhere near 75 ypg starting.
2019 - about 20 ypg
2020 - about 50 ypg

And ypc
2019 - 9.5
2020 - 13.5 but on an extremely small sample size with only 14 catches on the year.

When you say the stats can be verified, I surmise you are saying they need to be verified and not that you have.

Correct. I haven't verified and was going off memory. Definitely wrong about ypg when starting in 2020, mea culpa. Dunning-Kruger effect [&:]

Not YPC but yards per route run, I didn't really make that clear in my post. I'll try and look those up at some point. But regardless, sample size is so small, I probably shouldn't have even posted it.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: marty

I see Smith-Marsette more as a #4 WR, sorta like Aldrick Robinson, catches a deep pass once in a great while.

I don't fully understand Bisi's regression, thought he might be a great, tough #3 someday, sorta like the aging Boldan, to convert 3rd downs. Does Bisi lack the speed to be that ?

Will having an improved OL, lead KC to more conversions with Bisi on 3rd downs ?

Not to go all stats on the board, but I read somewhere, that Bisi was pretty solid on receiving yards per route. Played well when asked to spot start, I think averaging 75 years a game. Both can be verified.

I like SM, both as a deep threat and to develop. But of course, very early to speculate.

As Brad has posted many times, not a lot of pie left in a two TE/2 WR heavy offense for 3rd/4th WRs.

He didn't average anywhere near 75 ypg starting.
2019 - about 20 ypg
2020 - about 50 ypg

And ypc
2019 - 9.5
2020 - 13.5 but on an extremely small sample size with only 14 catches on the year.

When you say the stats can be verified, I surmise you are saying they need to be verified and not that you have.

Correct. I haven't verified and was going off memory. Definitely wrong about ypg when starting in 2020, mea culpa. Dunning-Kruger effect [&:]

Not YPC but yards per route run, I didn't really make that clear in my post. I'll try and look those up at some point. But regardless, sample size is so small, I probably shouldn't have even posted it.

No, you said receiving yards per route which was distinct enough to give me pause. Out of ignorance I went with ypc regardless. Just looked that up because I didn't know the definition. It's clearly based on its title. So it's also a bit like usage rate in a 'sort of' way?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Most ballyhooed camp guy:
Kip Edwards
Brock Nelson
Moritz Bohringer
Buster Rhymes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Most ballyhooed camp guy:
Kip Edwards
Brock Nelson
Moritz Bohringer
Buster Rhymes

Kyries Hebert

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: marty

I see Smith-Marsette more as a #4 WR, sorta like Aldrick Robinson, catches a deep pass once in a great while.

I don't fully understand Bisi's regression, thought he might be a great, tough #3 someday, sorta like the aging Boldan, to convert 3rd downs. Does Bisi lack the speed to be that ?

Will having an improved OL, lead KC to more conversions with Bisi on 3rd downs ?

Not to go all stats on the board, but I read somewhere, that Bisi was pretty solid on receiving yards per route. Played well when asked to spot start, I think averaging 75 years a game. Both can be verified.

I like SM, both as a deep threat and to develop. But of course, very early to speculate.

As Brad has posted many times, not a lot of pie left in a two TE/2 WR heavy offense for 3rd/4th WRs.

He didn't average anywhere near 75 ypg starting.
2019 - about 20 ypg
2020 - about 50 ypg

And ypc
2019 - 9.5
2020 - 13.5 but on an extremely small sample size with only 14 catches on the year.

When you say the stats can be verified, I surmise you are saying they need to be verified and not that you have.

Correct. I haven't verified and was going off memory. Definitely wrong about ypg when starting in 2020, mea culpa. Dunning-Kruger effect [&:]

Not YPC but yards per route run, I didn't really make that clear in my post. I'll try and look those up at some point. But regardless, sample size is so small, I probably shouldn't have even posted it.

No, you said receiving yards per route which was distinct enough to give me pause. Out of ignorance I went with ypc regardless. Just looked that up because I didn't know the definition. It's clearly based on its title. So it's also a bit like usage rate in a 'sort of' way?

I've read it as a more of a way to gauges how effective a WR is (getting open so he's targeted), YAC, and depth of target, all kind of rolled into one.

If I remember right, JJ was one of the top in the league last year in yards per route run (whatever the official title of is). But I haven't verified that since seeing the stat during the last season. I think he ended up 3rd or so?

And in perpetuity, if I say "I think" or "remember", I haven't verified recently [:D][;)] So let the record show.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Hey they Wyoming camping fishing Hagar the horrible is lurking..

Hi dude, wie Gehts?

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ORIGINAL: hagar

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Hey they Wyoming camping fishing Hagar the horrible is lurking..

Hi dude, wie Gehts?

If you're talking about me, gut danke. If not, I'm still good.
Don't live in Wyoming so not sure if you mean me or someone
else.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: hagar

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Hey they Wyoming camping fishing Hagar the horrible is lurking..

Hi dude, wie Gehts?

If you're talking about me, gut danke. If not, I'm still good.
Don't live in Wyoming so not sure if you mean me or someone
else.

Where is Fresburg? I know Fresno, CA.

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ORIGINAL: hagar

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Hey they Wyoming camping fishing Hagar the horrible is lurking..

Hi dude, wie Gehts?

If you're talking about me, gut danke. If not, I'm still good.
Don't live in Wyoming so not sure if you mean me or someone
else.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Does Bisi lack the speed of an aging Anquan Boldin ?

Boldin had great speed when in Arizona. In Baltimore, the aging Boldin had the quickness to get open, and still had a great catching radius.

Can Olabisi do similar things for the Vikings ? Does he lack the quickness or hands ? Or is it unlikely Cousins targets him much on 3rd downs ?

Or is it possible that Olabisi is a great target for 3rd downs, but along the lines of what Brad stated, Jefferson and Thielen [and the TEs] will catch a lot of them, a lot more 3rd down conversion catches, than what the Raven's #1 and #2 WRs caught on their SB run.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Will Ragatz
@WillRagatz
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Former Chiefs CB Bashaud Breeland visited the #Vikings today, per @ByNateTaylor.

Breeland in 2020:
- 72.9 PFF coverage grade
- 55.6 completion percentage allowed
- 2 INT, 9 passes defended, 1 FF

Versatile, physical seven-year veteran. Would be a big add for Minnesota.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The biggees:
Alan Page
Fran Tarkenton
Randy Moss
Randall McDaniel
5th Bud Grant

Honorables: Joey Browner, Adrian Peterson, John Randle, Ron Yary (the epitome of "draft him and you're set for 10+ years")

Next: Carl Eller, Chuck Foreman, Matt Blair, Paul Krause, Chris Doleman, Cris Carter (the last three IMHO partially benefitted from those around them)

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Will Ragatz
@WillRagatz
·2h
Former Chiefs CB Bashaud Breeland visited the #Vikings today, per @ByNateTaylor.

Breeland in 2020:
- 72.9 PFF coverage grade
- 55.6 completion percentage allowed
- 2 INT, 9 passes defended, 1 FF

Versatile, physical seven-year veteran. Would be a big add for Minnesota.

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