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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

So they count Hail Mary's as QB's fault? He had at least 1 in 2020.

Do they include wrong route's like the one Cook ran that resulted in an INT as the QB's fault?

I find it highly unlikely that all of those other 12 are 100% Cousins.

As far pressure. Unfortunately all QBs are human. Even those great QBs listed, if you pressure them consistently (esp inside), they all start to hear footsteps and can rush things even when there is no obvious pressure.

I'll come off a Cousin lover, but whatever. It is what it is. I look forward to the time we can move on but hope Cousins wins us the SB this year.

Yes they factor in Hail Marys. They don’t don’t routes run wrong. Also it’s a net effect so they excused him from I think four picks but he got some back due to a few bouncing off defenders hands.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

So they count Hail Mary's as QB's fault? He had at least 1 in 2020.

Do they include wrong route's like the one Cook ran that resulted in an INT as the QB's fault?

I find it highly unlikely that all of those other 12 are 100% Cousins.

As far pressure. Unfortunately all QBs are human. Even those great QBs listed, if you pressure them consistently (esp inside), they all start to hear footsteps and can rush things even when there is no obvious pressure.

I'll come off a Cousin lover, but whatever. It is what it is. I look forward to the time we can move on but hope Cousins wins us the SB this year.

Yes they factor in Hail Marys. They don’t don’t routes run wrong. Also it’s a net effect so they excused him from I think four picks but he got some back due to a few bouncing off defenders hands.

Nice - that's well done. Thanks for the additional background/explanation.

Sorry I didn't see a link, but how did Cousins then compare to the league? INTs/per pass attempt. 12 seems like a lower number but in our run first offense, it might not be.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

So they count Hail Mary's as QB's fault? He had at least 1 in 2020.

Do they include wrong route's like the one Cook ran that resulted in an INT as the QB's fault?

I find it highly unlikely that all of those other 12 are 100% Cousins.

As far pressure. Unfortunately all QBs are human. Even those great QBs listed, if you pressure them consistently (esp inside), they all start to hear footsteps and can rush things even when there is no obvious pressure.

I'll come off a Cousin lover, but whatever. It is what it is. I look forward to the time we can move on but hope Cousins wins us the SB this year.

Yes they factor in Hail Marys. They don’t don’t routes run wrong. Also it’s a net effect so they excused him from I think four picks but he got some back due to a few bouncing off defenders hands.

Nice - that's well done. Thanks for the additional background/explanation.

Sorry I didn't see a link, but how did Cousins then compare to the league? INTs/per pass attempt. 12 seems like a lower number but in our run first offense, it might not be.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2021/adjusted-interceptions-2020

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

So they count Hail Mary's as QB's fault? He had at least 1 in 2020.

Do they include wrong route's like the one Cook ran that resulted in an INT as the QB's fault?

I find it highly unlikely that all of those other 12 are 100% Cousins.

As far pressure. Unfortunately all QBs are human. Even those great QBs listed, if you pressure them consistently (esp inside), they all start to hear footsteps and can rush things even when there is no obvious pressure.

I'll come off a Cousin lover, but whatever. It is what it is. I look forward to the time we can move on but hope Cousins wins us the SB this year.

Yes they factor in Hail Marys. They don’t don’t routes run wrong. Also it’s a net effect so they excused him from I think four picks but he got some back due to a few bouncing off defenders hands.

Nice - that's well done. Thanks for the additional background/explanation.

Sorry I didn't see a link, but how did Cousins then compare to the league? INTs/per pass attempt. 12 seems like a lower number but in our run first offense, it might not be.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2021/adjusted-interceptions-2020

Only glanced at this, I haven't had a chance to read through the entire methodology. But isn't this saying Cousin's adjusted INT rate is tied for 6th best in the NFL (with Tom Brady) at 2.4% for 2020? The NFL range from 2011 to 2020 is 2.9 to 3.5 (pretty consistent range from what I can see) and in 2020 - 3.4%?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

So they count Hail Mary's as QB's fault? He had at least 1 in 2020.

Do they include wrong route's like the one Cook ran that resulted in an INT as the QB's fault?

I find it highly unlikely that all of those other 12 are 100% Cousins.

As far pressure. Unfortunately all QBs are human. Even those great QBs listed, if you pressure them consistently (esp inside), they all start to hear footsteps and can rush things even when there is no obvious pressure.

I'll come off a Cousin lover, but whatever. It is what it is. I look forward to the time we can move on but hope Cousins wins us the SB this year.

Yes they factor in Hail Marys. They don’t don’t routes run wrong. Also it’s a net effect so they excused him from I think four picks but he got some back due to a few bouncing off defenders hands.

Nice - that's well done. Thanks for the additional background/explanation.

Sorry I didn't see a link, but how did Cousins then compare to the league? INTs/per pass attempt. 12 seems like a lower number but in our run first offense, it might not be.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2021/adjusted-interceptions-2020

Only glanced at this, I haven't had a chance to read through the entire methodology. But isn't this saying Cousin's adjusted INT rate is tied for 6th best in the NFL (with Tom Brady) at 2.4% for 2020? The NFL range from 2011 to 2020 is 2.9 to 3.5 (pretty consistent range from what I can see) and in 2020 - 3.4%?

Yes of course it does! This whole time no has been presenting the argument that Kirk sucks or ‘here’s why I hate Kirk’. He’s a good qb.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

So they count Hail Mary's as QB's fault? He had at least 1 in 2020.

Do they include wrong route's like the one Cook ran that resulted in an INT as the QB's fault?

I find it highly unlikely that all of those other 12 are 100% Cousins.

As far pressure. Unfortunately all QBs are human. Even those great QBs listed, if you pressure them consistently (esp inside), they all start to hear footsteps and can rush things even when there is no obvious pressure.

I'll come off a Cousin lover, but whatever. It is what it is. I look forward to the time we can move on but hope Cousins wins us the SB this year.

Yes they factor in Hail Marys. They don’t don’t routes run wrong. Also it’s a net effect so they excused him from I think four picks but he got some back due to a few bouncing off defenders hands.

Nice - that's well done. Thanks for the additional background/explanation.

Sorry I didn't see a link, but how did Cousins then compare to the league? INTs/per pass attempt. 12 seems like a lower number but in our run first offense, it might not be.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2021/adjusted-interceptions-2020

Only glanced at this, I haven't had a chance to read through the entire methodology. But isn't this saying Cousin's adjusted INT rate is tied for 6th best in the NFL (with Tom Brady) at 2.4% for 2020? The NFL range from 2011 to 2020 is 2.9 to 3.5 (pretty consistent range from what I can see) and in 2020 - 3.4%?

Yes of course it does! This whole time no has been presenting the argument that Kirk sucks or ‘here’s why I hate Kirk’. He’s a good qb.

[&:]

Sorry! Friendly fire [:D]

It's a great link, and I'm curious to research it more.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen
KC operates best when expectations are low (his time in Washington and 2020 are perfect examples), and ideally in city where the press is forgiving. A high per capita ratio of churches and access to brain wave specialists are bonuses.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

This is the year where he has no excuses.

OLine should be improved
Defense has been revamped
Plenty of weapons

I expect 4200 yards, 35 TDs, Under 14 INTs

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

This is the year where he has no excuses.

OLine should be improved
Defense has been revamped
Plenty of weapons

I expect 4200 yards, 35 TDs, Under 14 INTs

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

This is the year where he has no excuses.

OLine should be improved
Defense has been revamped
Plenty of weapons

I expect 4200 yards, 35 TDs, Under 14 INTs

He also needs to start out much, much better than he has the last two years. We can't afford to lose winnable games because his head isn't on straight the first part of the season.

He also needs to take better care of the football. Fumbles and Int's need to be much lower.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

This is the year where he has no excuses.

OLine should be improved
Defense has been revamped
Plenty of weapons

I expect 4400 yards, 35 TDs, Under 14 INTs

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

This is the year where he has no excuses.

OLine should be improved
Defense has been revamped
Plenty of weapons

I expect 4200 yards, 35 TDs, Under 14 INTs

He also needs to start out much, much better than he has the last two years. We can't afford to lose winnable games because his head isn't on straight the first part of the season.

He also needs to take better care of the football. Fumbles and Int's need to be much lower.

Wait, are you suggesting pro-Cousins types simply can't just wave off those 4-6 games as being "cold"?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

This is the year where he has no excuses.

OLine should be improved
Defense has been revamped
Plenty of weapons

I expect 4200 yards, 35 TDs, Under 14 INTs

That's too many INTs. INTs have been dropping in the NFL for some time now. Last year the most INTs thrown was 15. 8 or less is what I would be looking for.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

This is the year where he has no excuses.

OLine should be improved
Defense has been revamped
Plenty of weapons

I expect 4200 yards, 35 TDs, Under 14 INTs

He also needs to start out much, much better than he has the last two years. We can't afford to lose winnable games because his head isn't on straight the first part of the season.

He also needs to take better care of the football. Fumbles and Int's need to be much lower.

Wait, are you suggesting pro-Cousins types simply can't just wave off those 4-6 games as being "cold"?

I'm Pro Viking

Cousins is Vikings QB1.

So I guess I am Pro Cousins.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

This is the year where he has no excuses.

OLine should be improved
Defense has been revamped
Plenty of weapons

I expect 4200 yards, 35 TDs, Under 14 INTs

That's too many INTs. INTs have been dropping in the NFL for some time now. Last year the most INTs thrown was 15. 8 or less is what I would be looking for.

Moreover, it's actually an increase in INTs as last year he was 35/13.

Agreed the picks have been dropping. 35/14 would be upper crust in 2013. Nowadays, a bunch of QBs have single digit INT numbers.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"