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There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

Does a good job taking care of the football.
Has the courage to hold the ball long enough to make the play.
Good pocket presence
Just fine in 2 minute drill.
Who gives a F about Prime time. Just a game no different than any other.
Teams win or lose. Not the QB.

I swear to God ... you care less about accuracy than anyone else on this board.

My statement was fully accurate. Of course you will say that's inaccurate.

No just a bit misleading, as you meant it

Now I'm confused. My take on Kirk is that he's a very good QB and talented at about every facet of playing the position.

I actually thought I was replying to David F. It had all the earmarks. Still your post was a bit misleading, although possibly not intentionally.

I'm trying to figure out the part that could have been misleading. Just my opinion backed up with a lot of statistical facts.

Where are these statistical facts?

You say Cousins takes good care of the football when he was tied for second with the most turnovers in the league last season. Maybe check some facts before you type next time.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-turnovers-by-a-qb-in-the-2020-nfl-season

Cousins has had one of the better TD to INT ratings in the league throughout his career. I believe that adjusted INT rate chart shared here had him in the top 6 tied with Brady. Consider how horrible the OL play was and how much worse Cousins TOs should have been. Next question.

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Nice ad hominem argument there Bill. How about replacing it with a logical one. As for being dropped on my head as a baby I really doubt I would remember it. Do you remember the entirety of your baby time and know whether or not you were dropped on your head?

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There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

Does a good job taking care of the football.
Has the courage to hold the ball long enough to make the play.
Good pocket presence
Just fine in 2 minute drill.
Who gives a F about Prime time. Just a game no different than any other.
Teams win or lose. Not the QB.

I swear to God ... you care less about accuracy than anyone else on this board.

My statement was fully accurate. Of course you will say that's inaccurate.

No just a bit misleading, as you meant it

Now I'm confused. My take on Kirk is that he's a very good QB and talented at about every facet of playing the position.

I actually thought I was replying to David F. It had all the earmarks. Still your post was a bit misleading, although possibly not intentionally.

I'm trying to figure out the part that could have been misleading. Just my opinion backed up with a lot of statistical facts.

Where are these statistical facts?

You say Cousins takes good care of the football when he was tied for second with the most turnovers in the league last season. Maybe check some facts before you type next time.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-turnovers-by-a-qb-in-the-2020-nfl-season

Cousins has had one of the better TD to INT ratings in the league throughout his career. I believe that adjusted INT rate chart shared here had him in the top 6 tied with Brady. Consider how horrible the OL play was and how much worse Cousins TOs should have been. Next question.

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Nice ad hominem argument there Bill. How about replacing it with a logical one. As for being dropped on my head as a baby I really doubt I would remember it. Do you remember the entirety of your baby time and know whether or not you were dropped on your head?

The reason I asked is because I included a link that referenced Cousins as having the 2nd most TO's in the league last season. You clearly stated that he takes good care of the football which is simply a delusional statement that could only be made by someone that does not have a firm grip on all his faculties.

For further reference Cousins had one less TO than Carson Wentz whom got rode out of town.

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There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

Does a good job taking care of the football.
Has the courage to hold the ball long enough to make the play.
Good pocket presence
Just fine in 2 minute drill.
Who gives a F about Prime time. Just a game no different than any other.
Teams win or lose. Not the QB.

I swear to God ... you care less about accuracy than anyone else on this board.

My statement was fully accurate. Of course you will say that's inaccurate.

No just a bit misleading, as you meant it

Now I'm confused. My take on Kirk is that he's a very good QB and talented at about every facet of playing the position.

I actually thought I was replying to David F. It had all the earmarks. Still your post was a bit misleading, although possibly not intentionally.

I'm trying to figure out the part that could have been misleading. Just my opinion backed up with a lot of statistical facts.

Where are these statistical facts?

You say Cousins takes good care of the football when he was tied for second with the most turnovers in the league last season. Maybe check some facts before you type next time.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-turnovers-by-a-qb-in-the-2020-nfl-season

Cousins has had one of the better TD to INT ratings in the league throughout his career. I believe that adjusted INT rate chart shared here had him in the top 6 tied with Brady. Consider how horrible the OL play was and how much worse Cousins TOs should have been. Next question.

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Nice ad hominem argument there Bill. How about replacing it with a logical one. As for being dropped on my head as a baby I really doubt I would remember it. Do you remember the entirety of your baby time and know whether or not you were dropped on your head?

The reason I asked is because I included a link that referenced Cousins as having the 2nd most TO's in the league last season. You clearly stated that he takes good care of the football which is simply a delusional statement that could only be made by someone that does not have a firm grip on all his faculties.

For further reference Cousins had one less TO than Carson Wentz whom got rode out of town.

Yes you shared your link and I shared my statistically based rebuttal to your link. Nothing delusional whatsoever. Note that DF just shared how Cousins has the 10th best TD to INT rating of all time. I would say that is indicative of a QB that takes very good care of the ball. Next question.

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There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

Does a good job taking care of the football.
Has the courage to hold the ball long enough to make the play.
Good pocket presence
Just fine in 2 minute drill.
Who gives a F about Prime time. Just a game no different than any other.
Teams win or lose. Not the QB.

I swear to God ... you care less about accuracy than anyone else on this board.

My statement was fully accurate. Of course you will say that's inaccurate.

No just a bit misleading, as you meant it

Now I'm confused. My take on Kirk is that he's a very good QB and talented at about every facet of playing the position.

I actually thought I was replying to David F. It had all the earmarks. Still your post was a bit misleading, although possibly not intentionally.

I'm trying to figure out the part that could have been misleading. Just my opinion backed up with a lot of statistical facts.

Where are these statistical facts?

You say Cousins takes good care of the football when he was tied for second with the most turnovers in the league last season. Maybe check some facts before you type next time.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-turnovers-by-a-qb-in-the-2020-nfl-season

Cousins has had one of the better TD to INT ratings in the league throughout his career. I believe that adjusted INT rate chart shared here had him in the top 6 tied with Brady. Consider how horrible the OL play was and how much worse Cousins TOs should have been. Next question.

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Nice ad hominem argument there Bill. How about replacing it with a logical one. As for being dropped on my head as a baby I really doubt I would remember it. Do you remember the entirety of your baby time and know whether or not you were dropped on your head?

The reason I asked is because I included a link that referenced Cousins as having the 2nd most TO's in the league last season. You clearly stated that he takes good care of the football which is simply a delusional statement that could only be made by someone that does not have a firm grip on all his faculties.

For further reference Cousins had one less TO than Carson Wentz whom got rode out of town.

Yes you shared your link and I shared my statistically based rebuttal to your link. Nothing delusional whatsoever. Note that DF just shared how Cousins has the 10th best TD to INT rating of all time. I would say that is indicative of a QB that takes very good care of the ball. Next question.

Well the fumble rankings aren't going to be very pretty and we are talking about total turnovers.

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There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

Does a good job taking care of the football.
Has the courage to hold the ball long enough to make the play.
Good pocket presence
Just fine in 2 minute drill.
Who gives a F about Prime time. Just a game no different than any other.
Teams win or lose. Not the QB.

I swear to God ... you care less about accuracy than anyone else on this board.

My statement was fully accurate. Of course you will say that's inaccurate.

No just a bit misleading, as you meant it

Now I'm confused. My take on Kirk is that he's a very good QB and talented at about every facet of playing the position.

I actually thought I was replying to David F. It had all the earmarks. Still your post was a bit misleading, although possibly not intentionally.

I'm trying to figure out the part that could have been misleading. Just my opinion backed up with a lot of statistical facts.

Where are these statistical facts?

You say Cousins takes good care of the football when he was tied for second with the most turnovers in the league last season. Maybe check some facts before you type next time.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-turnovers-by-a-qb-in-the-2020-nfl-season

Cousins has had one of the better TD to INT ratings in the league throughout his career. I believe that adjusted INT rate chart shared here had him in the top 6 tied with Brady. Consider how horrible the OL play was and how much worse Cousins TOs should have been. Next question.

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Nice ad hominem argument there Bill. How about replacing it with a logical one. As for being dropped on my head as a baby I really doubt I would remember it. Do you remember the entirety of your baby time and know whether or not you were dropped on your head?

The reason I asked is because I included a link that referenced Cousins as having the 2nd most TO's in the league last season. You clearly stated that he takes good care of the football which is simply a delusional statement that could only be made by someone that does not have a firm grip on all his faculties.

For further reference Cousins had one less TO than Carson Wentz whom got rode out of town.

Yes you shared your link and I shared my statistically based rebuttal to your link. Nothing delusional whatsoever. Note that DF just shared how Cousins has the 10th best TD to INT rating of all time. I would say that is indicative of a QB that takes very good care of the ball. Next question.

Well the fumble rankings aren't going to be very pretty and we are talking about total turnovers.

Bingo

TD/Int ratio is not revelant to how many TO's committed.

It might help justify in giving said qb more rope thinking TO's can be coached out of him. But that isn't the argument.

Let's say a RB scored 25 td's but fumbled 25 times. just because he was productive it doesn't mean he took good care of the football.

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https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/5/27/22457454/sounds-like-jarius-wright-wants-come-back-minnesota-vikings

I certainly think he would be a better option than Bebe or Bisi

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https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/5/27/22457454/sounds-like-jarius-wright-wants-come-back-minnesota-vikings

I certainly think he would be a better option than Bebe or Bisi

If he is, its barely. To me it just seems like more of the same.

in 2020, Beebe had 30 targets, Bisi 14

Wright had more RECs / playing time / targets in CAR in 2018-2019 than either but he was cut and didn't even play last year.

why bother? beebee bisi wright would be three #5 type wrs hogging the 3-4-5 spots.

I'd rather give the 20-30 targets that Wright would get to ISM, Proehl or the Whopper ...

or sign an upgrade like Westbrook to be a decent #3 getting the bulk of the #3 targets.

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There is evidence that the Vikes tried to move up in the draft to #8.

https://twitter.com/nacholeber/status/1398300613172072452

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I love it. You never know what stupid variants will spring from a stupid argument.

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There are plenty of reasons why Cousins isn't a good qb.

-Doesn't take care of the football
-Holds the ball too long
-Poor pocket presence
-Abysmal in the last 2min of the first half and end of games (2min drill)
-Primetime record 7-16
-A putrid 4-24 against teams with a winning record

Whenever anyone describes Cousin there is always the caveat "For Kirk to be effective everything needs to be on schedule around him"

Does a good job taking care of the football.
Has the courage to hold the ball long enough to make the play.
Good pocket presence
Just fine in 2 minute drill.
Who gives a F about Prime time. Just a game no different than any other.
Teams win or lose. Not the QB.

I swear to God ... you care less about accuracy than anyone else on this board.

My statement was fully accurate. Of course you will say that's inaccurate.

No just a bit misleading, as you meant it

Now I'm confused. My take on Kirk is that he's a very good QB and talented at about every facet of playing the position.

I actually thought I was replying to David F. It had all the earmarks. Still your post was a bit misleading, although possibly not intentionally.

I'm trying to figure out the part that could have been misleading. Just my opinion backed up with a lot of statistical facts.

Where are these statistical facts?

You say Cousins takes good care of the football when he was tied for second with the most turnovers in the league last season. Maybe check some facts before you type next time.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-turnovers-by-a-qb-in-the-2020-nfl-season

Cousins has had one of the better TD to INT ratings in the league throughout his career. I believe that adjusted INT rate chart shared here had him in the top 6 tied with Brady. Consider how horrible the OL play was and how much worse Cousins TOs should have been. Next question.

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Nice ad hominem argument there Bill. How about replacing it with a logical one. As for being dropped on my head as a baby I really doubt I would remember it. Do you remember the entirety of your baby time and know whether or not you were dropped on your head?

The reason I asked is because I included a link that referenced Cousins as having the 2nd most TO's in the league last season. You clearly stated that he takes good care of the football which is simply a delusional statement that could only be made by someone that does not have a firm grip on all his faculties.

For further reference Cousins had one less TO than Carson Wentz whom got rode out of town.

Yes you shared your link and I shared my statistically based rebuttal to your link. Nothing delusional whatsoever. Note that DF just shared how Cousins has the 10th best TD to INT rating of all time. I would say that is indicative of a QB that takes very good care of the ball. Next question.

Well the fumble rankings aren't going to be very pretty and we are talking about total turnovers.

Bingo

TD/Int ratio is not revelant to how many TO's committed.

It might help justify in giving said qb more rope thinking TO's can be coached out of him. But that isn't the argument.

Let's say a RB scored 25 td's but fumbled 25 times. just because he was productive it doesn't mean he took good care of the football.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/5/27/22457454/sounds-like-jarius-wright-wants-come-back-minnesota-vikings

I certainly think he would be a better option than Bebe or Bisi

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Do you remember the entirety of your baby time and know whether or not you were dropped on your head?

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I remember mine and I was dropped a lot.

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There is evidence that the Vikes tried to move up in the draft to #8.

https://twitter.com/nacholeber/status/1398300613172072452

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One indisputable stat is Kurt Cousins is a perennial top 10 fumbling QB: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=18

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One indisputable stat is Kurt Cousins is a perennial top 10 fumbling QB: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=18

His lack of pocket presence is what keeps him from being a top 10 QB

Way too many unforced sacks and fumbles. Drive killers.

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One indisputable stat is Kurt Cousins is a perennial top 10 fumbling QB: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=18

His lack of pocket presence is what keeps him from being a top 10 QB

Way too many unforced sacks and fumbles. Drive killers.

Yep. Such drive killers that we finished 4th in the NFL in offense. Just imagine if the OL wasn't one of the worst in the league.

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One indisputable stat is Kurt Cousins is a perennial top 10 fumbling QB: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=18

His lack of pocket presence is what keeps him from being a top 10 QB

Way too many unforced sacks and fumbles. Drive killers.

Yep. Such drive killers that we finished 4th in the NFL in offense. Just imagine if the OL wasn't one of the worst in the league.

Fourth in Yards. Big deal.

5th in rushing yards, 14th in receiving yards. Combined for 4th in total yds.

You can have a boatload of yards but if that doesn't convert into scoring ...

Percentage of Drives ending in a score: 39.8 (ranked 18) ...
Points scored by team: 430 (ranked 11th )
There are so many variables that are more important than just plain ol' yards.

As far as KC taking care of the football ...

2020 INTs: 13 – Tied for 3rd (2 more INTs and KC would have tied the league leader)
2020 Fumbles: 9 – Tied for 3rd (2 more fumbles and KC would have tied the league leader)

As far as blaming everything on the OL ... its a feeble excuse.

According to PFF, the worst performing OLs last year were the Chargers (rookie Hebert 10INTs/4Fs in 15 Games ), Giants (Daniel Jones 10INTs/3Fs in 14 games [back-up Colt Mcoy had 1 INT]), Bengals (rookie Burrow had 5INTs in 10 games (backup Allen 4 INTS in 5 games) ...

Not only does KC NOT take care of the ball, he's a consistent TO machine over the course of his career.