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marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 10:52:10 AM)
What would it take to trade for Mills, and then have Mond and Mills battle it out for the QB spot ?

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 10:56:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid? 3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards. Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs. Apples/Oranges Do Cook or Cousins play defense? We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers. If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings. Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field. I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot. Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch? I see what you're saying. But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed? A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 10:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. I heard Cousins isn't going to wear a helmet next season. When asked why he said the decision was a personal one. But hey - look at all those helmet-wearers that also got injured. clever[;)]

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 11:05:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid? 3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards. Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs. Apples/Oranges Do Cook or Cousins play defense? We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers. If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings. Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field. I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot. Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch? I see what you're saying. But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed? A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about. These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 11:14:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid? 3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards. Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs. Apples/Oranges Do Cook or Cousins play defense? We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers. If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings. Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field. I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot. Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch? I see what you're saying. But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed? A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about. These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team. Good point. Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine. By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 11:27:03 AM)
Yeah, I don't have the answers for sure. I guess my fight against KC now has as much to do with our ex-GM as it does with him. If you knew he wouldn't get vaxxed, and would almost certainly miss a game(s), and thought Mannion was your insurance blanket, you deserve to be on the streets right now.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 11:29:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Yeah, I don't have the answers for sure. I guess my fight against KC now has as much to do with our ex-GM as it does with him. If you knew he wouldn't get vaxxed, and would almost certainly miss a game(s), and thought Mannion was your insurance blanket, you deserve to be on the streets right now. We couldn't agree more on Mannion. Zimmer and Speilman liked having a yes man more than they did having a competent player.

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 12:07:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid? 3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards. Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs. Apples/Oranges Do Cook or Cousins play defense? We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers. If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings. Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field. I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot. Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch? I see what you're saying. But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed? A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about. These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team. Good point. Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine. By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists. Ask yourself this... If the stars had aligned and the Vikes were a 2017/2009/1998 type team (again... suspend disbelief) Kirk ends up having to miss a playoff game... Would you feel differently? I was a little blah because I figured it wouldn't matter... but that is what bugged me the most... Kirk set himself up to let the team down if/when he needed them.

Murph -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 12:16:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M Can we do an extension that makes sense? Kirk has taken us to the cleaners ..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million. I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him. No No, no and no; if we want to contend for a Super Bowl in the next 5 years and the new GM wants to keep his job. imho I think Kirk would have a chance to win in post season with one coach calling plays for him and he coaches in SF now. I want Super Bowls runs and I don't believe in Kirk in big spots, let alone a 3-4 game playoff run against other top QB's and defenses. I just don't see it. I think there's about a 95% chance he's traded. We get nothing if he just walks and we're not going to extend him or take a 45 mil cap hit next year.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 12:18:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid? 3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards. Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs. Apples/Oranges Do Cook or Cousins play defense? We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers. If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings. Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field. I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot. Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch? I see what you're saying. But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed? A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about. These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team. Good point. Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine. By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists. Ask yourself this... If the stars had aligned and the Vikes were a 2017/2009/1998 type team (again... suspend disbelief) Kirk ends up having to miss a playoff game... Would you feel differently? I was a little blah because I figured it wouldn't matter... but that is what bugged me the most... Kirk set himself up to let the team down if/when he needed them. I don't think he would miss a playoff game because the rules have evolved and are fairer for vaxxed and unvaxxed. All I know is they strongly believe in what they are doing. VAERS isn't some made up conspiracy site. Covid shots make sense for some but not for others imho.

paulgly -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 12:27:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid? 3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards. Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs. Apples/Oranges Do Cook or Cousins play defense? We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers. If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings. Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field. I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot. Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch? I see what you're saying. But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed? A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about. These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team. Good point. Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine. By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists. Ask yourself this... If the stars had aligned and the Vikes were a 2017/2009/1998 type team (again... suspend disbelief) Kirk ends up having to miss a playoff game... Would you feel differently? I was a little blah because I figured it wouldn't matter... but that is what bugged me the most... Kirk set himself up to let the team down if/when he needed them. I don't think he would miss a playoff game because the rules have evolved and are fairer for vaxxed and unvaxxed. All I know is they strongly believe in what they are doing. VAERS isn't some made up conspiracy site. Covid shots make sense for some but not for others imho. The rules evolved but there was no indication that they would when their decisions were made. VARES isn't made up, but it has been problematic with regards to vaccines for a long time. Because anything that happens after the vaccine can be reported. A 75 year old with heart failure can get a flu shot, then get admitted to the hospital with a HF exacerbation. 99.99% nothing to do with the flu shot, but still reported. It's so inconsistent. As a pharmacist, we've struggled with this kind of nonsense for years - since the completely debunked Mercola paper came out.

paulgly -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 12:34:31 PM)
Anyway sorry I won't talk Covid in here anymore! I don't what to think about Cousins. Depends on the trade. What is the minimum return? 2nd round pick? Even with a trade, they're still up against it with the cap. Basically guarantees punting 2022 which is OK as long as there is a good plan in place for going forward. I would like to keep Hunter. I would look to dump Cook. I don't think he looked as explosive this year with the exception of the Pittsburgh game, and was rated average by PFF. When RBs lose it, they lose it quickly (like CBs)

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 12:40:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: paulgly quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid? 3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards. Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs. Apples/Oranges Do Cook or Cousins play defense? We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers. If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings. Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field. I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot. Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch? I see what you're saying. But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed? A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about. These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team. Good point. Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine. By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists. Ask yourself this... If the stars had aligned and the Vikes were a 2017/2009/1998 type team (again... suspend disbelief) Kirk ends up having to miss a playoff game... Would you feel differently? I was a little blah because I figured it wouldn't matter... but that is what bugged me the most... Kirk set himself up to let the team down if/when he needed them. I don't think he would miss a playoff game because the rules have evolved and are fairer for vaxxed and unvaxxed. All I know is they strongly believe in what they are doing. VAERS isn't some made up conspiracy site. Covid shots make sense for some but not for others imho. The rules evolved but there was no indication that they would when their decisions were made. VARES isn't made up, but it has been problematic with regards to vaccines for a long time. Because anything that happens after the vaccine can be reported. A 75 year old with heart failure can get a flu shot, then get admitted to the hospital with a HF exacerbation. 99.99% nothing to do with the flu shot, but still reported. It's so inconsistent. As a pharmacist, we've struggled with this kind of nonsense for years - since the completely debunked Mercola paper came out. Would you call reported Covid deaths as inconsistent(for the same reasons)? PM me. Anyway, if we trade Cousins, I hope we have a plan to move up and get Pickett. Maybe that involves moving Cook.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 12:42:33 PM)
If Wilf was being accurate, the team will not be rebuilding. Barring a whole lot of luck, KC is likely to help achieve a better W/L record than anyone else who may be available or be drafted. Getting rid of Cousins, even for some trade value in return, is in the rebuild category. And will a team giving up assets for a $35 million one year rental? However, egos are part of that equation and there are always teams that think they can unlock the full potential of any given player. Things seem to point to KC being here next year. The big decisions in that case are extend or not, how can they help him improve, what is the succession plan, type of QB, cap consequences, etc.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 12:46:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen If Wilf was being accurate, the team will not be rebuilding. Barring a whole lot of luck, KC is likely to help achieve a better W/L record than anyone else who may be available or be drafted. Getting rid of Cousins, even for some trade value in return, is in the rebuild category. And will a team giving up assets for a $35 million one year rental? However, egos are part of that equation and there are always teams that think they can unlock the full potential of any given player. Things seem to point to KC being here next year. The big decisions in that case are extend or not, how can they help him improve, what is the succession plan, type of QB, cap consequences, etc. Are we confident that the salary cap is going to explode in the next couple years(do to the gambling $$$)? Then we could add some voidable years and have a reasonable hit this year with some dead cap the next couple years.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 1:08:55 PM)
. . who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?.... if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter.... we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there.... restructure kendricks and save $4m.... i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022.... we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season.... if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen.... we still need players....

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 1:11:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?.... if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter.... we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there.... restructure kendricks and save $4m.... i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022.... we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season.... if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen.... we still need players.... I think Thielen would give us a home state salary cut. Maybe 25%.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 1:18:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?.... if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter.... we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there.... restructure kendricks and save $4m.... i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022.... we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season.... if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen.... we still need players.... I think Thielen would give us a home state salary cut. Maybe 25%. How often does that happen?

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 1:20:50 PM)
At this point in this teams journey.. We are stuck with Cousins… Keep our young talent, Find a way to trade the overpriced smiths, hunters, cooks, and Thielen…We have to let the new GM do his thing.. A lot of fans are going to be upset, when “thier favorite guy” is kicked to the curb.. Every team always needs players.. Overpaying for often injured or past thier prime players, out of “ loyalty”.. is stupid.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 1:41:38 PM)
Thielen will go somewhere with a real offensive minded coach and be a poor man's Cris Carter. Thielen has excelent hands, I would hate to see him go. paying safeties big money is stupid and Smith should have been gone over a contract ago.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 1:48:13 PM)
Is paying safeties big money stupid? Positional spending by cap dollars 2021: 1 Kansas City Chiefs 4 $23,292,604 $5,823,151 12.36% 2 New England Patriots 5 $20,353,760 $4,070,752 9.89% 3 New Orleans Saints 5 $19,010,799 $3,802,160 10.25% 4 Tennessee Titans 4 $18,013,345 $4,503,336 9.45% 5 Buffalo Bills 5 $14,403,884 $2,880,777 7.65% 6 Houston Texans 4 $13,961,202 $3,490,301 7.18% 7 Arizona Cardinals 6 $12,119,144 $2,019,857 6.31% 8 Miami Dolphins 5 $11,409,336 $2,281,867 5.79% 9 Green Bay Packers 5 $11,113,501 $2,222,700 5.97% 10 Cincinnati Bengals 5 $10,326,422 $2,065,284 5.29% 11 Minnesota Vikings 3 $9,413,528 $3,137,843 5.03% 12 San Francisco 49ers 5 $8,783,421 $1,756,684 4.49%

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 1:55:52 PM)
Here's some stupidity: 2022 Quarterback Cap Hit Rankings 1 Matt Ryan ATL QB $48,662,500 2 Aaron Rodgers GB QB $46,664,157 3 Kirk Cousins MIN QB $45,000,000 4 Deshaun Watson HOU QB $40,400,000 5 Ryan Tannehill TEN QB $38,600,000 6 Russell Wilson SEA QB $37,000,000 7 Patrick Mahomes KC QB $35,793,381 8 Dak Prescott DAL QB $34,450,000 9 Jared Goff DET QB $31,150,000 10 Carson Wentz IND QB $28,294,118 11 Jimmy Garoppolo SF QB $26,905,870 12 Lamar Jackson BAL QB $23,016,000 13 Matthew Stafford LAR QB $23,000,000 14 Tom Brady TB QB $20,270,588 15 Derek Carr LV QB $19,877,519 16 Baker Mayfield CLE QB $18,858,000 Sam Darnold CAR QB $18,858,000 18 Josh Allen BUF QB $16,372,281 19 Taysom Hill NO QB $12,325,000 20 Kyler Murray ARI QB $11,386,841 21 Nick Foles CHI QB $10,666,667 22 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB $10,340,000 23 Joe Burrow CIN QB $9,870,037 24 Case Keenum CLE QB $8,433,334 25 Daniel Jones NYG QB $8,365,836 26 Trevor Lawrence JAC QB $8,362,156 27 Tua Tagovailoa MIA QB $8,256,938 28 Zach Wilson NYJ QB $7,988,791 29 Trey Lance SF QB $7,751,199 30 Justin Herbert LAC QB $7,248,751 31 Andy Dalton CHI QB $5,000,000 32 Justin Fields CHI QB $4,289,081 33 Mason Rudolph PIT QB $4,040,000 34 Mac Jones NE QB $3,542,353 35 Jordan Love GB QB $3,377,305 36 Jameis Winston NO QB $3,000,000 37 Taylor Heinicke WAS QB $2,875,000 38 C.J. Beathard JAC QB $2,726,464 39 Drew Lock DEN QB $2,230,715 40 Jalen Hurts PHI QB $1,643,230 41 Kyle Trask TB QB $1,258,031 42 Kellen Mond MIN QB $1,187,140 43 Davis Mills HOU QB $1,186,633 44 Jarrett Stidham NE QB $1,124,028 45 Cooper Rush DAL QB $1,035,000 46 Easton Stick LAC QB $1,034,391 47 Will Grier DAL QB $1,020,408 48 Ian Book NO QB $993,396 49 Trace McSorley ARI QB $965,000 Gardner Minshew PHI QB $965,000

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 1:56:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?.... if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter.... we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there.... restructure kendricks and save $4m.... i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022.... we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season.... if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen.... we still need players.... I think Thielen would give us a home state salary cut. Maybe 25%. How often does that happen? If he goes down to a salary that is equal or slightly greater than what he could get on open market. Not having to be away from his family in another city or moving them all to another city. Level headed guy who is set for life already. Injuries and age would prevent other teams from giving him a big offer.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 2:00:09 PM)
More stupidity: 2022 Running Back Cap Hit Rankings 1 Ezekiel Elliott DAL RB $18,220,000 2 Derrick Henry TEN RB $15,000,000 3 Alvin Kamara NO RB $14,500,000 4 Christian McCaffrey CAR RB $14,309,500 5 Dalvin Cook MIN RB $11,883,615 6 Joe Mixon CIN RB $11,420,589 7 Aaron Jones GB RB $9,000,000 8 Kenyan Drake LV RB $8,000,000 9 Saquon Barkley NYG RB $7,217,000 10 Austin Ekeler LAC RB $6,500,000 11 Christopher Carson SEA RB $6,425,000 12 Kareem Hunt CLE RB $6,250,000 13 Tarik Cohen CHI RB $5,750,000 14 Nick Chubb CLE RB $5,213,059 15 Nyheim Hines IND RB $5,140,000 16 Jamaal Williams DET RB $4,625,000 17 Gus Edwards BAL RB $4,500,000 18 Josh Jacobs LV RB $3,796,990 19 Mike Davis ATL RB $3,250,000 20 Devontae Booker NYG RB $3,000,000 21 Najee Harris PIT RB $2,965,329 22 Clyde Edwards-Helaire KC RB $2,951,337 23 Travis Etienne JAC RB $2,931,388 24 David Montgomery CHI RB $2,801,545 25 Devin Singletary BUF RB $2,798,956 26 Carlos Hyde JAC RB $2,391,168 27 D'Andre Swift DET RB $2,328,795 28 Mark Ingram NO RB $2,211,754 29 Jonathan Taylor IND RB $2,135,223 30 Rex Burkhead HOU RB $2,085,294 31 Mike Boone DEN RB $2,050,000 32 Javonte Williams DEN RB $2,014,944 33 Samaje Perine CIN RB $1,850,000 34 Miles Sanders PHI RB $1,704,156 35 Cam Akers LAR RB $1,683,555 36 JK Dobbins BAL RB $1,562,573 37 A.J. Dillon GB RB $1,441,590 38 Antonio Gibson WAS RB $1,345,264 39 Darrell Henderson LAR RB $1,333,265 40 Ke'Shawn Vaughn TB RB $1,297,091 41 Zack Moss BUF RB $1,237,354 42 Darrynton Evans TEN RB $1,224,416 43 Damien Harris NE RB $1,186,534 44 Alexander Mattison MIN RB $1,170,543 45 Justice Hill BAL RB $1,150,414 46 Benny Snell Jr. PIT RB $1,140,517 47 Tony Pollard DAL RB $1,131,945 48 Trey Sermon SF RB $1,107,485 49 Josh Kelley LAC RB $1,090,085 50 La'Mical Perine NYJ RB $1,081,336

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2022 2:08:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Here's some stupidity: 2022 Quarterback Cap Hit Rankings 1 Matt Ryan ATL QB $48,662,500 2 Aaron Rodgers GB QB $46,664,157 3 Kirk Cousins MIN QB $45,000,000 4 Deshaun Watson HOU QB $40,400,000 5 Ryan Tannehill TEN QB $38,600,000 6 Russell Wilson SEA QB $37,000,000 7 Patrick Mahomes KC QB $35,793,381 8 Dak Prescott DAL QB $34,450,000 9 Jared Goff DET QB $31,150,000 10 Carson Wentz IND QB $28,294,118 11 Jimmy Garoppolo SF QB $26,905,870 12 Lamar Jackson BAL QB $23,016,000 13 Matthew Stafford LAR QB $23,000,000 14 Tom Brady TB QB $20,270,588 15 Derek Carr LV QB $19,877,519 16 Baker Mayfield CLE QB $18,858,000 Sam Darnold CAR QB $18,858,000 18 Josh Allen BUF QB $16,372,281 19 Taysom Hill NO QB $12,325,000 20 Kyler Murray ARI QB $11,386,841 21 Nick Foles CHI QB $10,666,667 22 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB $10,340,000 23 Joe Burrow CIN QB $9,870,037 24 Case Keenum CLE QB $8,433,334 25 Daniel Jones NYG QB $8,365,836 26 Trevor Lawrence JAC QB $8,362,156 27 Tua Tagovailoa MIA QB $8,256,938 28 Zach Wilson NYJ QB $7,988,791 29 Trey Lance SF QB $7,751,199 30 Justin Herbert LAC QB $7,248,751 31 Andy Dalton CHI QB $5,000,000 32 Justin Fields CHI QB $4,289,081 33 Mason Rudolph PIT QB $4,040,000 34 Mac Jones NE QB $3,542,353 35 Jordan Love GB QB $3,377,305 36 Jameis Winston NO QB $3,000,000 37 Taylor Heinicke WAS QB $2,875,000 38 C.J. Beathard JAC QB $2,726,464 39 Drew Lock DEN QB $2,230,715 40 Jalen Hurts PHI QB $1,643,230 41 Kyle Trask TB QB $1,258,031 42 Kellen Mond MIN QB $1,187,140 43 Davis Mills HOU QB $1,186,633 44 Jarrett Stidham NE QB $1,124,028 45 Cooper Rush DAL QB $1,035,000 46 Easton Stick LAC QB $1,034,391 47 Will Grier DAL QB $1,020,408 48 Ian Book NO QB $993,396 49 Trace McSorley ARI QB $965,000 Gardner Minshew PHI QB $965,000 I'm trying to think if there is any SB winning QB(other than Brady, Brees) who wasn't on their rookie deal when they won their SB. Since QB salaries exploded. Last 10-15 years. Maybe analytics tell us to find our rookie QB and build a powerhouse behind him.

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