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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/9/2022 1:32:34 PM)

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Yfz84/status/1534722842612355077/photo/1


IDK if true but this is from April of this year...


Wow. He looks like a safety. I see Rudy, who is the other guy?




kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/9/2022 2:16:05 PM)

O'Neill




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/9/2022 5:21:55 PM)

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O'Neill


Oh yeah.

One tweet said "The other two are closer and leaning towards the camera. Also Bradbury has his arms extended all making him look more lean."




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/9/2022 9:46:24 PM)

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I guess after 3 years of getting thrown around like a ragg doll and not having his option picked up, a light went off.

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This reeks of Kahlil "I'm finally healthy" or Troy Williamson "Getting on the juggs machine" or "getting laser surgery on his eyes". Bradbury is a bust. Please move on.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/10/2022 2:16:44 AM)

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center matt paradis is a free agent and was ranked 16th in the league last year...i would be totally on board with signing him to a 3yr/$15m deal....

sign paradis and sheldon richardson and let's go....

put bradbury at fullback where he belongs....




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/10/2022 8:07:14 AM)

I am optimistic that with a new coaching staff and a better scheme that Bradbury will find new life and be much better this year.

Yeah, he's underwhelmed for his career thus far and his size is a concern, but I just have a sense that KOC will know how to use him better.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/10/2022 9:16:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

https://mobile.twitter.com/Yfz84/status/1534722842612355077/photo/1


IDK if true but this is from April of this year...


Wow. He looks like a safety. I see Rudy, who is the other guy?



in that image, rudolph looks like he's put on 40lbs in the weight room....




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/10/2022 10:19:48 AM)

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this is worth watching...peyton manning analyzes/describes several cousins to jefferson looks....


https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/6/9/23162251/peyton-manning-breaks-down-kirk-cousins-justin-jefferson-minnesota-vikings




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/10/2022 8:23:44 PM)

Nice. Thank you.




Chris Olson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/11/2022 5:33:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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this is worth watching...peyton manning analyzes/describes several cousins to jefferson looks....


https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/6/9/23162251/peyton-manning-breaks-down-kirk-cousins-justin-jefferson-minnesota-vikings

this is beautiful...
can't wait to see this kirk to JJ relationship blossom under KOC
here's to a 2000 yds/20 TD season for JJ!




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/14/2022 12:24:49 PM)

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/14/2022 1:24:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.

Great info. I recently heard that the numbers were very kind to Dantzler. Booth might have to take over for Peterson this year instead of Dantzler.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/14/2022 1:27:39 PM)

I want to get something out in the open regarding Kirk that I haven't seen discussed. I think a lot of people's problem with him is personality and who he is rather than the player. He is the clean cut wholesome Christian and is very representative of suburban White America (minus any racism connotations of that). He has a ridiculous amount of money yet chooses to drive a nice, but very boring van. I don't think he has any bling or tats. JJ said he doesn't have the "SWAG" of Burroughs. He will never culturally fit in with most of the rest of the league. He plays well and has helped his WRs put up big numbers. Hopefully his teammates appreciate and respect him even though he isn't one of the boys.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/14/2022 3:09:05 PM)

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.

Great info. I recently heard that the numbers were very kind to Dantzler. Booth might have to take over for Peterson this year instead of Dantzler.



dantzer is going to be better than peterson - no doubt in my mind....

peterson is leadership, experience, lockerroom, confidence builder...coach on the field...and still an okay good player....

our future defensive backfield is bynum, cine, booth, and dantzler - all on the cheap...we can afford the pay a top-five nickel guy and rule roost....




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/14/2022 4:26:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I want to get something out in the open regarding Kirk that I haven't seen discussed. I think a lot of people's problem with him is personality and who he is rather than the player. He is the clean cut wholesome Christian and is very representative of suburban White America (minus any racism connotations of that). He has a ridiculous amount of money yet chooses to drive a nice, but very boring van. I don't think he has any bling or tats. JJ said he doesn't have the "SWAG" of Burroughs. He will never culturally fit in with most of the rest of the league. He plays well and has helped his WRs put up big numbers. Hopefully his teammates appreciate and respect him even though he isn't one of the boys.


Way off. As usual.

Just a form of an excuse for KC... by putting it on others.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/14/2022 4:41:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I want to get something out in the open regarding Kirk that I haven't seen discussed. I think a lot of people's problem with him is personality and who he is rather than the player. He is the clean cut wholesome Christian and is very representative of suburban White America (minus any racism connotations of that). He has a ridiculous amount of money yet chooses to drive a nice, but very boring van. I don't think he has any bling or tats. JJ said he doesn't have the "SWAG" of Burroughs. He will never culturally fit in with most of the rest of the league. He plays well and has helped his WRs put up big numbers. Hopefully his teammates appreciate and respect him even though he isn't one of the boys.



Oh please.. can you NOT Inject your religious beliefs and defense of Christianity, into Every SINGLE THING.?

Myself and others do not like Kirk cousins because he can not win important games or lead his team to touchdowns, when it matters most.

His leadership is too low key, his interest in football is about money, his playing style is robotic and safety first.

It is his personality that refuses to embrace greatness, outside of proselytizing himself and his personal beliefs to everyone.

I can’t wait to be rid of him as our Quarteback, because he is mediocre at best.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/14/2022 5:47:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.

Great info. I recently heard that the numbers were very kind to Dantzler. Booth might have to take over for Peterson this year instead of Dantzler.



dantzer is going to be better than peterson - no doubt in my mind....

peterson is leadership, experience, lockerroom, confidence builder...coach on the field...and still an okay good player....

our future defensive backfield is bynum, cine, booth, and dantzler - all on the cheap...we can afford the pay a top-five nickel guy and rule roost....

Sounds good to me. [sm=govikes.gif]




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/15/2022 8:40:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.

Great info. I recently heard that the numbers were very kind to Dantzler. Booth might have to take over for Peterson this year instead of Dantzler.



dantzer is going to be better than peterson - no doubt in my mind....

peterson is leadership, experience, lockerroom, confidence builder...coach on the field...and still an okay good player....

our future defensive backfield is bynum, cine, booth, and dantzler - all on the cheap...we can afford the pay a top-five nickel guy and rule roost....

Peterson didn't get tested much last season because it was just to easy for opposing qb's to target Breeland. This year Peterson could well be the weak link come the latter half of the season.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/15/2022 9:07:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.

Great info. I recently heard that the numbers were very kind to Dantzler. Booth might have to take over for Peterson this year instead of Dantzler.



dantzer is going to be better than peterson - no doubt in my mind....

peterson is leadership, experience, lockerroom, confidence builder...coach on the field...and still an okay good player....

our future defensive backfield is bynum, cine, booth, and dantzler - all on the cheap...we can afford the pay a top-five nickel guy and rule roost....


Assuming they all pan out, that secondary of the future seems reasonable. But Smith will be paid as a starter the next two years. By the time his dead cap falls below $10 million, Dantzler will be a UFA with Bynum a UFA the year after.

So barring a big chunk of additional dead cap, there is no year where the traditional four starters (2 S, 2 CB) are all on the cheap. However, in this scenario it doesn't look like the secondary will be a big drain on the cap.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/15/2022 2:56:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.

Great info. I recently heard that the numbers were very kind to Dantzler. Booth might have to take over for Peterson this year instead of Dantzler.



dantzer is going to be better than peterson - no doubt in my mind....

peterson is leadership, experience, lockerroom, confidence builder...coach on the field...and still an okay good player....

our future defensive backfield is bynum, cine, booth, and dantzler - all on the cheap...we can afford the pay a top-five nickel guy and rule roost....


Assuming they all pan out, that secondary of the future seems reasonable. But Smith will be paid as a starter the next two years. By the time his dead cap falls below $10 million, Dantzler will be a UFA with Bynum a UFA the year after.

So barring a big chunk of additional dead cap, there is no year where the traditional four starters (2 S, 2 CB) are all on the cheap. However, in this scenario it doesn't look like the secondary will be a big drain on the cap.



at this moment, in 2024, we're $131mm under the cap...as long as we don't extend cousins again we're okay....




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/15/2022 3:50:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.

Great info. I recently heard that the numbers were very kind to Dantzler. Booth might have to take over for Peterson this year instead of Dantzler.



dantzer is going to be better than peterson - no doubt in my mind....

peterson is leadership, experience, lockerroom, confidence builder...coach on the field...and still an okay good player....

our future defensive backfield is bynum, cine, booth, and dantzler - all on the cheap...we can afford the pay a top-five nickel guy and rule roost....


Assuming they all pan out, that secondary of the future seems reasonable. But Smith will be paid as a starter the next two years. By the time his dead cap falls below $10 million, Dantzler will be a UFA with Bynum a UFA the year after.

So barring a big chunk of additional dead cap, there is no year where the traditional four starters (2 S, 2 CB) are all on the cheap. However, in this scenario it doesn't look like the secondary will be a big drain on the cap.



at this moment, in 2024, we're $131mm under the cap...as long as we don't extend cousins again we're okay....


Different point.

Also, Spotrac shows $131 mil under but Overthecap has us only $91 mil under... both with 35 players under contract.

15 of the 35 are in the $1 mil range. 20 of the 35 count less than $1.5 mil against the cap. Several are unknowns... Wright, Stevenson, Sokol...

There are about 11 proven players in the 35 to include older Smith and Theilen, and 3 of the 11 (Cousins, Hunter, Tomlinson) are just dead cap guys. So 8 proven, just 6 proven and not real old. No Jefferson, no Cleveland, no Kendricks, etc. Seems low but I don't know how that fares with other teams. Maybe it's a sign of our changing of the guard.

Either way, 90 or 131 in cap doesn't seem like much with JJ or a QB not even counted among the many contracts that will need to be added. But we'll also have two drafts to add talent (to include IMO our QBOTF) plus see what we have with the younger players.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/16/2022 3:24:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Nick Shook of NFL.com put together a list of the best coverage players of the 2021 season based on Next Gen Stats, and Dantzler pops up on the list at #7.

Seeing Dantzler here might come as a surprise, but the metrics for him were too good to overlook. He posted a targeted EPA of -18.2 (10th among DBs). Dantzler excelled at limiting yards gained by opposing pass catchers, allowing just 4.9 yards per target in coverage, one of the lowest rates in the NFL. He also tied for the fourth-fewest yards after catch per reception allowed at 2.3. A tight-window percentage of 20.6 just barely nudged him into qualifying for the list, but it allowed for folks like me to realize Dantzler was better in coverage than most realized.

Great info. I recently heard that the numbers were very kind to Dantzler. Booth might have to take over for Peterson this year instead of Dantzler.



dantzer is going to be better than peterson - no doubt in my mind....

peterson is leadership, experience, lockerroom, confidence builder...coach on the field...and still an okay good player....

our future defensive backfield is bynum, cine, booth, and dantzler - all on the cheap...we can afford the pay a top-five nickel guy and rule roost....


Assuming they all pan out, that secondary of the future seems reasonable. But Smith will be paid as a starter the next two years. By the time his dead cap falls below $10 million, Dantzler will be a UFA with Bynum a UFA the year after.

So barring a big chunk of additional dead cap, there is no year where the traditional four starters (2 S, 2 CB) are all on the cheap. However, in this scenario it doesn't look like the secondary will be a big drain on the cap.



at this moment, in 2024, we're $131mm under the cap...as long as we don't extend cousins again we're okay....


Different point.

Also, Spotrac shows $131 mil under but Overthecap has us only $91 mil under... both with 35 players under contract.

15 of the 35 are in the $1 mil range. 20 of the 35 count less than $1.5 mil against the cap. Several are unknowns... Wright, Stevenson, Sokol...

There are about 11 proven players in the 35 to include older Smith and Theilen, and 3 of the 11 (Cousins, Hunter, Tomlinson) are just dead cap guys. So 8 proven, just 6 proven and not real old. No Jefferson, no Cleveland, no Kendricks, etc. Seems low but I don't know how that fares with other teams. Maybe it's a sign of our changing of the guard.

Either way, 90 or 131 in cap doesn't seem like much with JJ or a QB not even counted among the many contracts that will need to be added. But we'll also have two drafts to add talent (to include IMO our QBOTF) plus see what we have with the younger players.



if we don't get to the nfccg by 2023 we'll probably go into a post-cousins rebuild...that's why i thought that jameson williams in 2022 was important, FYI: he's not expected to be at training camp day 1 because of acl rehab...that post-cousins rebuild could include trading jefferson for some picks to get a qb or other....

we're going to be fighting several teams for the better qb's in the 2023 draft....

looking at spotrac right now and they're showing only $66mm under the cap, so I'm not sure where we are...there are plenty of old-timers to cut in 2024 and free up more cap space, but hell, my recommendation; as tough as it might be for some, root for cousins over the next couple of years....




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Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/16/2022 8:02:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I want to get something out in the open regarding Kirk that I haven't seen discussed. I think a lot of people's problem with him is personality and who he is rather than the player. He is the clean cut wholesome Christian and is very representative of suburban White America (minus any racism connotations of that). He has a ridiculous amount of money yet chooses to drive a nice, but very boring van. I don't think he has any bling or tats. JJ said he doesn't have the "SWAG" of Burroughs. He will never culturally fit in with most of the rest of the league. He plays well and has helped his WRs put up big numbers. Hopefully his teammates appreciate and respect him even though he isn't one of the boys.



Oh please.. can you NOT Inject your religious beliefs and defense of Christianity, into Every SINGLE THING.?

Myself and others do not like Kirk cousins because he can not win important games or lead his team to touchdowns, when it matters most.

His leadership is too low key, his interest in football is about money, his playing style is robotic and safety first.

It is his personality that refuses to embrace greatness, outside of proselytizing himself and his personal beliefs to everyone.

I can’t wait to be rid of him as our Quarteback, because he is mediocre at best.


Bottom line is he has 0 excuses. Similar to Stafford last year. True Off Cord/HC and this is the best team he has been on.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/16/2022 12:48:56 PM)

On paper our D should be greatly improved if it is we can go far. If it isn't another .500 or so season. Kirk will play well like he always does. How far we go this year is way more on the D than anything Captain Kirk is going to do.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/16/2022 1:42:12 PM)

Unless the defense is pitching 17 shutouts, while scoring at least one safety per game, KC is going to have to carry the offense on his pointy little head.




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