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Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/17/2022 5:17:16 PM)
Ben Leber: “That was a top-10 offense last year, with a very green, first-time offensive coordinator [Klint Kubiak],” Leber said. “Where was their defense ranked last year? Thirty-first. The year before that, I think they were ranked 27th. So people can rail on Kirk and rail on this offense and say we can’t win with him or we can’t win with this offense. I say that’s total BS. We couldn’t win with the crap defense that we’ve had the last two years. We couldn’t stop the run, at all. Ever. And then in key moments of the games . . . we couldn’t stop any two-minute offense. So, to me, the biggest liability of this team has been defense. All this team has to do is play good team defense, finish in the mid-teens at the end of the season, and they’re playoff bound and they can make some noise.” Full article: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/17/ben-leber-mike-zimmer-didnt-like-kirk-cousins-and-it-showed/

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/17/2022 5:23:56 PM)
For years, it seemed that opposition FG kickers were making 50+ yarders far more than averages against us. Turns out that was a fact. Similar to it looking like that after we score the opposition drives down the field and scores in greater frequency than the norm. Anyway, we weren't going to do squat in the playoffs, and with the coaches, scheme, and players, it's a total new start.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/17/2022 6:12:00 PM)
By yards, 12 By wins, t19 By touchdowns, 16 By PPG, 15 By first downs, 20 By 3rd down conversion %, 29 By 4th down conversion %, 16 Not seeing top ten anywhere.. Leber Makes the koolaid..

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/17/2022 6:17:12 PM)
Opponents PPG ninth WORST

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2022 2:39:58 AM)
. . The Vikings will host training camp on July 24th for rookies and July 26th for everyone else.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2022 7:44:07 AM)
Does that equal a lazy GM or lazy Coaching staff. Our backups aren't signing with anyone. Chris Tomasson @christomasson · 18h As training camps approach, remaining unsigned #Vikings free agents are LB Anthony Barr DT Sheldon Richardson DE Everson Griffen WR Dede Westbrook T Rashod Hill CB Mack Alexander TE Luke Stocker RB Wayne Gallman TE Chris Herndon. I’m told Westbrook has a few offers he’s weighing.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2022 9:13:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Does that equal a lazy GM or lazy Coaching staff. Our backups aren't signing with anyone. Chris Tomasson @christomasson · 18h As training camps approach, remaining unsigned #Vikings free agents are LB Anthony Barr DT Sheldon Richardson DE Everson Griffen WR Dede Westbrook T Rashod Hill CB Mack Alexander TE Luke Stocker RB Wayne Gallman TE Chris Herndon. I’m told Westbrook has a few offers he’s weighing. i'd offer minimum league deals to barr and richardson.... what about our two remaining unsigned rookies?...booth and ingram....

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2022 9:42:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Does that equal a lazy GM or lazy Coaching staff. Our backups aren't signing with anyone. Chris Tomasson @christomasson · 18h As training camps approach, remaining unsigned #Vikings free agents are LB Anthony Barr DT Sheldon Richardson DE Everson Griffen WR Dede Westbrook T Rashod Hill CB Mack Alexander TE Luke Stocker RB Wayne Gallman TE Chris Herndon. I’m told Westbrook has a few offers he’s weighing. i'd offer minimum league deals to barr and richardson.... what about our two remaining unsigned rookies?...booth and ingram.... They will get done....I don't want Barr or Richardson around....especially Barr. He was only available for 3-4 games last year and can't practice.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2022 11:55:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Does that equal a lazy GM or lazy Coaching staff. Our backups aren't signing with anyone. Chris Tomasson @christomasson · 18h As training camps approach, remaining unsigned #Vikings free agents are LB Anthony Barr DT Sheldon Richardson DE Everson Griffen WR Dede Westbrook T Rashod Hill CB Mack Alexander TE Luke Stocker RB Wayne Gallman TE Chris Herndon. I’m told Westbrook has a few offers he’s weighing. Impossible to say but I'd lean lazy coaching staff. "Give me the guys that already know what I teach so I don't have to teach it to a new guy even if he is younger, cheaper, and more talented." That's what I see. Throw in a GM that had given up and this is what we got. To be honest I was surprised we didn't sign Terrence Newman and Jimmy Kliensasser.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2022 12:33:58 PM)
Jefferson spouting off about being the best WR, blah, blah. Dude has never even sniffed the playoffs. Nonetheless, the Brinks truck is being loaded... with a second one at the ready.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2022 12:43:35 PM)
From a different angle, at least as it pertains to Minnesota signing any of them... New regimes put their stamp on things. Hence, this season's FA signings and draftees are higher in the pecking order than the vets we had. Add in the holdover starters, and I'm not sure how many roster spots are really even left. None of those players have any inside track as a 'known quantity', and probably besides some standard evaluation grade they are simply lumped in with the multitudes of other FAs.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2022 4:23:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Does that equal a lazy GM or lazy Coaching staff. Our backups aren't signing with anyone. Chris Tomasson @christomasson · 18h As training camps approach, remaining unsigned #Vikings free agents are LB Anthony Barr DT Sheldon Richardson DE Everson Griffen WR Dede Westbrook T Rashod Hill CB Mack Alexander TE Luke Stocker RB Wayne Gallman TE Chris Herndon. I’m told Westbrook has a few offers he’s weighing. i'd offer minimum league deals to barr and richardson.... what about our two remaining unsigned rookies?...booth and ingram.... They will get done....I don't want Barr or Richardson around....especially Barr. He was only available for 3-4 games last year and can't practice. i see barr as a backup edge type....l

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/20/2022 10:52:37 AM)
Chris Tomasson@christomasson Not sure what's going on with ex-#Vikings LB Anthony Barr in free agency. I did call him today mostly since he's up tomorrow for Muhammad Ali Sports Humanitarian Award at ESPYs. But he hung up on me before I had a chance to ask him about the award & then didn't return a message.

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/20/2022 4:07:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Chris Tomasson@christomasson Not sure what's going on with ex-#Vikings LB Anthony Barr in free agency. I did call him today mostly since he's up tomorrow for Muhammad Ali Sports Humanitarian Award at ESPYs. But he hung up on me before I had a chance to ask him about the award & then didn't return a message. Shows Barr's judgment is fairly sound...

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/20/2022 7:47:30 PM)
Move on… Rudolph, Barr.. Westbrook..even EG… blah…just nope the hell out and move on..

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/21/2022 10:22:49 AM)
Rudolph to the Bucs on a one-year-deal. I couldn't find the amount but league minimum is a pretty good guess. So in 2022 he'll cost the Vikings $2.9 million in dead cap. He'll cost the Giants $2.4 million in dead cap. He'll cost the Bucs about $1 million and they'll actually have a player on the field for their money. Scenarios like this show in great detail the difference between teams that are run smartly and teams that are... for lack of a better word - not run smartly.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/21/2022 3:11:27 PM)
Is getting Rudolph really smart? I am glad the Bucs took the scissors out of our hands. Rudy is slow, old and only serves one purpose anymore...as a redzone threat because he's tall with good hands. He can't run. He goes down too easily. He's not worth 1 mil anymore

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/21/2022 3:41:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott Is getting Rudolph really smart? I am glad the Bucs took the scissors out of our hands. Rudy is slow, old and only serves one purpose anymore...as a redzone threat because he's tall with good hands. He can't run. He goes down too easily. He's not worth 1 mil anymore Omg no no no no he isn’t worth even the minimum. I hope that’s not how my post comes off. We’ll have to see if any of that money from Tampa is guaranteed. He might not make it out of camp.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/21/2022 3:54:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Rudolph to the Bucs on a one-year-deal. I couldn't find the amount but league minimum is a pretty good guess. So in 2022 he'll cost the Vikings $2.9 million in dead cap. He'll cost the Giants $2.4 million in dead cap. He'll cost the Bucs about $1 million and they'll actually have a player on the field for their money. Scenarios like this show in great detail the difference between teams that are run smartly and teams that are... for lack of a better word - not run smartly. Or in the case of the Spielman Vikings...think they're run smarter than everyone else.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/21/2022 7:45:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young By yards, 12 By wins, t19 By touchdowns, 16 By PPG, 15 By first downs, 20 By 3rd down conversion %, 29 By 4th down conversion %, 16 Not seeing top ten anywhere.. Leber Makes the koolaid.. ha ha - why does curmudgeon come to mind?

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/21/2022 8:39:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young By yards, 12 By wins, t19 By touchdowns, 16 By PPG, 15 By first downs, 20 By 3rd down conversion %, 29 By 4th down conversion %, 16 Not seeing top ten anywhere.. Leber Makes the koolaid.. ha ha - why does curmudgeon come to mind? Truth? You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!! [&:]

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/22/2022 3:43:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Chris Tomasson@christomasson Not sure what's going on with ex-#Vikings LB Anthony Barr in free agency. I did call him today mostly since he's up tomorrow for Muhammad Ali Sports Humanitarian Award at ESPYs. But he hung up on me before I had a chance to ask him about the award & then didn't return a message. word on the street; barr is talking to dallas....

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/22/2022 8:13:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young By yards, 12 By wins, t19 By touchdowns, 16 By PPG, 15 By first downs, 20 By 3rd down conversion %, 29 By 4th down conversion %, 16 Not seeing top ten anywhere.. Leber Makes the koolaid.. ha ha - why does curmudgeon come to mind? Truth? You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!! [&:] lol ;/

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/22/2022 12:33:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Chris Tomasson@christomasson Not sure what's going on with ex-#Vikings LB Anthony Barr in free agency. I did call him today mostly since he's up tomorrow for Muhammad Ali Sports Humanitarian Award at ESPYs. But he hung up on me before I had a chance to ask him about the award & then didn't return a message. word on the street; barr is talking to dallas.... Hey, if it makes Dallas suck more...I'm all for it.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/22/2022 6:52:05 PM)
Rudolph probably would have been a poor signing, I just envisioned him (after Smith got his usual injury, one that sidelined him for the SB), catching the game winner for the Vikings' first Super Bowl win.

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