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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Maybe we're not that concerned because most players gain muscle weight when they get to the Pros.

NFL strength and conditioning programs are light years ahead of college, not to mention the access to dietitians and nutritionists.

And then the whole thing about bodies continuing to mature into your 20s.

I don't see "maxed out" at all. And I don't see 5-10 pounds spread out over 6'2 being the precursor to morbid obesity and diabetes that you do either...

Its such a weird hill to die on, when there are actual legitimate concerns...

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Harry ran a 4.54 at combine which puts him at 4.7 now, Bynum ran a 4.49 but he played slower than that in college, his tecovery speed was very suspect … which is why he got shifted from cb to s. To my eye he plays pretty fast as a pro.

Cine plays fast, is fast, has good length, and was an explosive hitter in a big-time program … at whatever weight. Not sure how good he’ll be obviously but he is on the VERY high side of a lot of variables for a borderline 1st rounder.

If you want to nitpick weight / measurables … try that with Hamilton and listen to the the ‘Two Mules for Sister Sarah’ music in the background as he waddles down the field with a little extra pro football weight.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Maybe we're not that concerned because most players gain muscle weight when they get to the Pros.

NFL strength and conditioning programs are light years ahead of college, not to mention the access to dietitians and nutritionists.

And then the whole thing about bodies continuing to mature into your 20s.

I don't see "maxed out" at all. And I don't see 5-10 pounds spread out over 6'2 being the precursor to morbid obesity and diabetes that you do either...

Its such a weird hill to die on, when there are actual legitimate concerns...

Pretty sure I never mentioned obesity or diabetes. I said range of motion, speed, ankles and knees.

What do you think would happen to Usain Bolt if he added 10 pounds? He'd slow down, right. His meal ticket is his speed. No different for Lewis Cine.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Earl Thomas: 202
Eric Weddle: 195
Malcolm Jenkins: 204

Last year's Pro Bowl:
Tyrann Mathieu: 190
Budda Baker: 195
Quandre Diggs: 195
Antoine Winfield Jr.: 203

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Harry ran a 4.54 at combine which puts him at 4.7 now, Bynum ran a 4.49 but he played slower than that in college, his tecovery speed was very suspect … which is why he got shifted from cb to s. To my eye he plays pretty fast as a pro.

Cine plays fast, is fast, has good length, and was an explosive hitter in a big-time program … at whatever weight. Not sure how good he’ll be obviously but he is on the VERY high side of a lot of variables for a borderline 1st rounder.

If you want to nitpick weight / measurables … try that with Hamilton and listen to the the ‘Two Mules for Sister Sarah’ music in the background as he waddles down the field with a little extra pro football weight.

Boy, the least little critique of a guy and you guys get bitter.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Harry ran a 4.54 at combine which puts him at 4.7 now, Bynum ran a 4.49 but he played slower than that in college, his tecovery speed was very suspect … which is why he got shifted from cb to s. To my eye he plays pretty fast as a pro.

Cine plays fast, is fast, has good length, and was an explosive hitter in a big-time program … at whatever weight. Not sure how good he’ll be obviously but he is on the VERY high side of a lot of variables for a borderline 1st rounder.

If you want to nitpick weight / measurables … try that with Hamilton and listen to the the ‘Two Mules for Sister Sarah’ music in the background as he waddles down the field with a little extra pro football weight.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Harry ran a 4.54 at combine which puts him at 4.7 now, Bynum ran a 4.49 but he played slower than that in college, his tecovery speed was very suspect … which is why he got shifted from cb to s. To my eye he plays pretty fast as a pro.

Cine plays fast, is fast, has good length, and was an explosive hitter in a big-time program … at whatever weight. Not sure how good he’ll be obviously but he is on the VERY high side of a lot of variables for a borderline 1st rounder.

If you want to nitpick weight / measurables … try that with Hamilton and listen to the the ‘Two Mules for Sister Sarah’ music in the background as he waddles down the field with a little extra pro football weight.

Boy, the least little critique of a guy and you guys get bitter.

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ORIGINAL: marty

So is it:

A) take a CB
B) trade down
C) take Willis
D) take Corral
E) take OG
F) something else

???

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I’m just hoping we double-down on S Brisker (svelte at 199 but plenty of room to grow) at #34 and become the first team in any century to draft safeties back to back AND separated by only ine pick.

It would make Kwesi look like a Stephen Hawking draft guru and it would get my draft challenge back on track.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Hopefully, Cine turns out to be who Kwesi thinks he is.

QB Willis, WR Watson, DT Jones ... maybe TE McBride ... would all be interesting, solid draftnik value at 34.

In theory, I would take either Booth or Gordon to start over Dantzler, Watson to push Osborne, McBride to push Smith.

I agree with all of that except Willis. I want nothing to do with the QBs in this draft.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Guess the Detroit fan base has a similar view to our fan base

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/28/23047679/detroit-lions-jameson-williams-trade-nfl-draft-analysis

The Detroit Lions swindled the Minnesota Vikings in a first-round trade
...and walked away with arguably the most talented receiver in the draft.

Brad Holmes is a thief, a menace, and a swindler. He’s robbed the Vikings blind with this trade to move back up to the 12th-overall pick. Here are the official terms of the trade, per the team:

Lions get: Pick 12, Pick 46 (second round)
Vikings get: Pick 32, Pick 34 (second round), Pick 66 (third round)

I had a hunch at first sight that it was a good deal, so I did some digging. According to the Rich Hill Draft Value model—the most modern chart to date—the Lions gave up 435 points of value and gained 475 points of value. In other words, they gained 40 points of value by making this trade with the Vikings. For those wondering, according to the chart, the Lions gained the equivalent of the 95th overall pick—a late third-round pick.

All that resulted in the Lions getting arguably the most talented receiver in the draft in Jameson Williams. Had it not been for a torn ACL, Williams likely would’ve been one of the first names off the board Thursday night. I said on the Pride of Detroit live stream a half hour prior to the trade that whatever team gets Williams will have a really good player in six months when he’s healthy. Lucky for us, that team is the Detroit Lions.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Guess the Detroit fan base has a similar view to our fan base

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/28/23047679/detroit-lions-jameson-williams-trade-nfl-draft-analysis

The Detroit Lions swindled the Minnesota Vikings in a first-round trade
...and walked away with arguably the most talented receiver in the draft.

Brad Holmes is a thief, a menace, and a swindler. He’s robbed the Vikings blind with this trade to move back up to the 12th-overall pick. Here are the official terms of the trade, per the team:

Lions get: Pick 12, Pick 46 (second round)
Vikings get: Pick 32, Pick 34 (second round), Pick 66 (third round)

I had a hunch at first sight that it was a good deal, so I did some digging. According to the Rich Hill Draft Value model—the most modern chart to date—the Lions gave up 435 points of value and gained 475 points of value. In other words, they gained 40 points of value by making this trade with the Vikings. For those wondering, according to the chart, the Lions gained the equivalent of the 95th overall pick—a late third-round pick.

All that resulted in the Lions getting arguably the most talented receiver in the draft in Jameson Williams. Had it not been for a torn ACL, Williams likely would’ve been one of the first names off the board Thursday night. I said on the Pride of Detroit live stream a half hour prior to the trade that whatever team gets Williams will have a really good player in six months when he’s healthy. Lucky for us, that team is the Detroit Lions.

Compare it to actual deals from last year Vikings Darrisaw trade and Giants Fields trades the teams trading back got far better value. Detroit as the team trading up got a STEAL.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Earl Thomas: 202
Eric Weddle: 195
Malcolm Jenkins: 204

Last year's Pro Bowl:
Tyrann Mathieu: 190
Budda Baker: 195
Quandre Diggs: 195
Antoine Winfield Jr.: 203

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Guess the Detroit fan base has a similar view to our fan base

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/28/23047679/detroit-lions-jameson-williams-trade-nfl-draft-analysis

The Detroit Lions swindled the Minnesota Vikings in a first-round trade
...and walked away with arguably the most talented receiver in the draft.

Brad Holmes is a thief, a menace, and a swindler. He’s robbed the Vikings blind with this trade to move back up to the 12th-overall pick. Here are the official terms of the trade, per the team:

Lions get: Pick 12, Pick 46 (second round)
Vikings get: Pick 32, Pick 34 (second round), Pick 66 (third round)

I had a hunch at first sight that it was a good deal, so I did some digging. According to the Rich Hill Draft Value model—the most modern chart to date—the Lions gave up 435 points of value and gained 475 points of value. In other words, they gained 40 points of value by making this trade with the Vikings. For those wondering, according to the chart, the Lions gained the equivalent of the 95th overall pick—a late third-round pick.

All that resulted in the Lions getting arguably the most talented receiver in the draft in Jameson Williams. Had it not been for a torn ACL, Williams likely would’ve been one of the first names off the board Thursday night. I said on the Pride of Detroit live stream a half hour prior to the trade that whatever team gets Williams will have a really good player in six months when he’s healthy. Lucky for us, that team is the Detroit Lions.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Murph

Guess the Detroit fan base has a similar view to our fan base

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/28/23047679/detroit-lions-jameson-williams-trade-nfl-draft-analysis

The Detroit Lions swindled the Minnesota Vikings in a first-round trade
...and walked away with arguably the most talented receiver in the draft.

Brad Holmes is a thief, a menace, and a swindler. He’s robbed the Vikings blind with this trade to move back up to the 12th-overall pick. Here are the official terms of the trade, per the team:

Lions get: Pick 12, Pick 46 (second round)
Vikings get: Pick 32, Pick 34 (second round), Pick 66 (third round)

I had a hunch at first sight that it was a good deal, so I did some digging. According to the Rich Hill Draft Value model—the most modern chart to date—the Lions gave up 435 points of value and gained 475 points of value. In other words, they gained 40 points of value by making this trade with the Vikings. For those wondering, according to the chart, the Lions gained the equivalent of the 95th overall pick—a late third-round pick.

All that resulted in the Lions getting arguably the most talented receiver in the draft in Jameson Williams. Had it not been for a torn ACL, Williams likely would’ve been one of the first names off the board Thursday night. I said on the Pride of Detroit live stream a half hour prior to the trade that whatever team gets Williams will have a really good player in six months when he’s healthy. Lucky for us, that team is the Detroit Lions.

Compare it to actual deals from last year Vikings Darrisaw trade and Giants Fields trades the teams trading back got far better value. Detroit as the team trading up got a STEAL.

got schooled.Kwesi

Detroit had a player they coveted and we had the leverage. You only move down that far, 20 freaking spots, if you get the better end of the deal or don't trade!

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

Listening to Common on KFAN. He had a guy on with NBC sports, locally based. Don’t know who he is but he brings up an interesting point. This draft is weaker on top, but unusually deep, due too Covid and other factors.

That’s probably what drove Kwesi to the trade. Trade charts that are static from year to year assigning a set value to each spot and don’t take into account the makeup of a draft said Vikings lost the trade. But a system that factors in the characteristics of a particular draft may tell a different story.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I was about to post that not drafting CB Booth would make two mistakes out three selections for Kwesi but I guess he has an injury history going back to high school and this:

"It's notable that Booth suffered a strained quad while training for the NFL Scouting Combine and was unable to compete. Therefore we don't have concrete measurables to compare to the rest of the class. It's also notable that he got sports hernia surgery at the end of March."

Not that Kwesi is in the least bit injury risk averse.