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Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2022 6:45:49 PM)
Worst draft in quite some time

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2022 8:41:25 PM)
Ingram is a rookie? I’m willing to hope he improves.. Bradbury is a fn joke.. Darrisaw is turning into a chronic CTE candidate.. Without Ol and DL improving exponentially, we are pretenders in today’s NFL. Not even gonna try to explain how our current #1QB is not it.. Never was, never will be.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2022 9:59:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Ingram is a rookie? I’m willing to hope he improves.. Bradbury is a fn joke.. Darrisaw is turning into a chronic CTE candidate.. Without Ol and DL improving exponentially, we are pretenders in today’s NFL. Not even gonna try to explain how our current #1QB is not it.. Never was, never will be. 67% pressures, lose a game and "never was, never will be" - that there is the "fn joke"

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/21/2022 9:59:41 PM)
Time to take a deep breath This team going into the season was not SB caliber Yes they got our hopes up with an 8-1 start But we all know (other than a few wackos) this team has overachieved to this point We're not good in the trenches and that is where this team is lacking Let's just ride it out and see what happens

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 1:58:31 AM)
. . Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia -- broken Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson. -- give the impression he doesn't want to play -- note to kwesi, 'don't draft players w/ injury history' Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU -- only played left guard in college Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma -- has had flashes -- i think he'll be okay Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri. -- i like him Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina. -- this guy is our future starting rb Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois. -- should take over for udoh and brandel Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State. -- everyone talks about how good/fast he is, but haven't seen it yet Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 5:56:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Ingram is a rookie? I’m willing to hope he improves.. Bradbury is a fn joke.. Darrisaw is turning into a chronic CTE candidate.. Without Ol and DL improving exponentially, we are pretenders in today’s NFL. Not even gonna try to explain how our current #1QB is not it.. Never was, never will be. 67% pressures, lose a game and "never was, never will be" - that there is the "fn joke" You think KFC will some day be a Super Bowl winner? Never was, never will be..

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 8:48:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young My expectations for this season went from being competitive and hosting an NFCCG, to one and done after getting blown out at home in wild card weekend by the #5 seed.. We will probably get the #4 seed as Division Champs, but if it an NFC East #5.. we are fn toast.. I agree. Yeah it's nice to make the playoffs in a year I didn't expect them to. Not so nice to be bounced out like an afterthought. On another note Kwesi draft looks like ass. Roll the tape! Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina Ty Chandler might turn out the best of the bunch! Can't tell if that was sarcasm or not [:)] In my best Kwesi voice... he's coming along fine on special teams! Although actually he's not even doing that. 28 career ST snaps, all in weeks 4 & 5. 0 carries. 0 receptions.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 8:55:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia -- broken Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson. -- give the impression he doesn't want to play -- note to kwesi, 'don't draft players w/ injury history' Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU -- only played left guard in college Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma -- has had flashes -- i think he'll be okay Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri. -- i like him Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina. -- this guy is our future starting rb Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois. -- should take over for udoh and brandel Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State. -- everyone talks about how good/fast he is, but haven't seen it yet Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina More (unfounded) Ty Chandler love. Vederian Lowe? He has literally not stepped on an NFL field during a game.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 9:51:38 AM)
I still am amazed that we didn't try slants, swing passes, short RB passes, bubble screens, etc. against Dallas after just the first few series you could see there was no time.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 10:05:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Worst draft in quite some time Its a little early to call it but ... you have to go back to 2005 to find something competitively bad. With journeyman Mosley the cream from that crop. Troy Williamson WR Erasmus James DE Marcus Johnson G Dustin Fox DB Ciatrick Fason RB CJ Mosley DT Adrian Ward DB Worst Ever? 1989. Baxter was the only starter drafted but didn't play a down for the Vikings. David Braxton LB John Hunter OT Darryl Ingram TE Jeff Mickel OT Benji Roland DE Alex Stewart DE Brad Baxter RB Shawn Woodson LB Everett Ross WR

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 10:07:08 AM)
Lets just say the current draft class has had epically bad returns so far. But ... you never know.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 10:14:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia -- broken Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson. -- give the impression he doesn't want to play -- note to kwesi, 'don't draft players w/ injury history' Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU -- only played left guard in college Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma -- has had flashes -- i think he'll be okay Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri. -- i like him Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina. -- this guy is our future starting rb Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois. -- should take over for udoh and brandel Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State. -- everyone talks about how good/fast he is, but haven't seen it yet Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina More (unfounded) Ty Chandler love. Vederian Lowe? He has literally not stepped on an NFL field during a game. for sure, i have very little to base my sense of where these players will end up...what i indicated in my post were hopeful expectations....

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 10:19:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia -- broken Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson. -- give the impression he doesn't want to play -- note to kwesi, 'don't draft players w/ injury history' Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU -- only played left guard in college Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma -- has had flashes -- i think he'll be okay Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri. -- i like him Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina. -- this guy is our future starting rb Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois. -- should take over for udoh and brandel Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State. -- everyone talks about how good/fast he is, but haven't seen it yet Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina More (unfounded) Ty Chandler love. Vederian Lowe? He has literally not stepped on an NFL field during a game. Doesn't qualify, or at least, not a deal breaker when evaluating draft picks. For two or three years. Talkvikes Draft Variables #1: games started #2: preseason 'looks' #3: Combine or Pro day phenomena #4: player went to the school (college, high school or middle school) of fan evaluating the draftpick #5: International player from country with ancestral ties to fan evaluating the draftpick #6: cool sounding name

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 12:01:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia -- broken Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson. -- give the impression he doesn't want to play -- note to kwesi, 'don't draft players w/ injury history' Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU -- only played left guard in college Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma -- has had flashes -- i think he'll be okay Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri. -- i like him Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina. -- this guy is our future starting rb Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois. -- should take over for udoh and brandel Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State. -- everyone talks about how good/fast he is, but haven't seen it yet Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina More (unfounded) Ty Chandler love. Vederian Lowe? He has literally not stepped on an NFL field during a game. Doesn't qualify, or at least, not a deal breaker when evaluating draft picks. For two or three years. Talkvikes Draft Variables #1: games started #2: preseason 'looks' #3: Combine or Pro day phenomena #4: player went to the school (college, high school or middle school) of fan evaluating the draftpick #5: International player from country with ancestral ties to fan evaluating the draftpick #6: cool sounding name Camp flashes (projected). As for #5, that applies to Kwesi. An interesting thing is people will rave about picks in the offseason, but even when a full year goes by if someone is critical the same ravers will say it's too early to know.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 12:46:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young My expectations for this season went from being competitive and hosting an NFCCG, to one and done after getting blown out at home in wild card weekend by the #5 seed.. We will probably get the #4 seed as Division Champs, but if it an NFC East #5.. we are fn toast.. I agree. Yeah it's nice to make the playoffs in a year I didn't expect them to. Not so nice to be bounced out like an afterthought. On another note Kwesi draft looks like ass. Roll the tape! Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina Ty Chandler might turn out the best of the bunch! Can't tell if that was sarcasm or not [:)] In my best Kwesi voice... he's coming along fine on special teams! Although actually he's not even doing that. 28 career ST snaps, all in weeks 4 & 5. 0 carries. 0 receptions. Proving my point on how bad this draft is looking.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 1:04:56 PM)
Balance of this season may well hinge on the health of Darrisaw. W/O him our oline will be dreadful.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 2:11:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young My expectations for this season went from being competitive and hosting an NFCCG, to one and done after getting blown out at home in wild card weekend by the #5 seed.. We will probably get the #4 seed as Division Champs, but if it an NFC East #5.. we are fn toast.. I agree. Yeah it's nice to make the playoffs in a year I didn't expect them to. Not so nice to be bounced out like an afterthought. On another note Kwesi draft looks like ass. Roll the tape! Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina Ty Chandler might turn out the best of the bunch! Can't tell if that was sarcasm or not [:)] In my best Kwesi voice... he's coming along fine on special teams! Although actually he's not even doing that. 28 career ST snaps, all in weeks 4 & 5. 0 carries. 0 receptions. Proving my point on how bad this draft is looking. ty chandler has been on IR since a thumb injury week 5.... here's his preseason highlight reel.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGdVkZnw94

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 2:45:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young My expectations for this season went from being competitive and hosting an NFCCG, to one and done after getting blown out at home in wild card weekend by the #5 seed.. We will probably get the #4 seed as Division Champs, but if it an NFC East #5.. we are fn toast.. I agree. Yeah it's nice to make the playoffs in a year I didn't expect them to. Not so nice to be bounced out like an afterthought. On another note Kwesi draft looks like ass. Roll the tape! Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina Ty Chandler might turn out the best of the bunch! Can't tell if that was sarcasm or not [:)] In my best Kwesi voice... he's coming along fine on special teams! Although actually he's not even doing that. 28 career ST snaps, all in weeks 4 & 5. 0 carries. 0 receptions. Proving my point on how bad this draft is looking. ty chandler has been on IR since a thumb injury week 5.... here's his preseason highlight reel.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGdVkZnw94 Looked good in preseason. Although any kind of 'game tape' that includes a copious amount of Sean Mannion ... uhhh ... I just don't know.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 2:51:25 PM)
. . vikings offense: scoring average per game 2021 - 25.0pts 2022 - 22.9pts

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 2:53:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young My expectations for this season went from being competitive and hosting an NFCCG, to one and done after getting blown out at home in wild card weekend by the #5 seed.. We will probably get the #4 seed as Division Champs, but if it an NFC East #5.. we are fn toast.. I agree. Yeah it's nice to make the playoffs in a year I didn't expect them to. Not so nice to be bounced out like an afterthought. On another note Kwesi draft looks like ass. Roll the tape! Round 1, Pick No. 32: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia Round 2, Pick No. 42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson Round 2, Pick No. 59: Ed Ingram, G, LSU Round 3, Pick No. 66: Brian Asamoah, LB, Oklahoma Round 4, Pick No. 118: Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri Round 5, Pick No. 165: Esezi Otomewo, EDGE, Minnesota Round 5, Pick No. 169: Ty Chandler, RB, North Carolina Round 6, Pick No. 184: Vederian Lowe, OT, Illinois Round 6, Pick No. 191: Jalen Nailor, WR, Michigan State Round 7, Pick No. 250: Nick Muse, TE, South Carolina Ty Chandler might turn out the best of the bunch! Can't tell if that was sarcasm or not [:)] In my best Kwesi voice... he's coming along fine on special teams! Although actually he's not even doing that. 28 career ST snaps, all in weeks 4 & 5. 0 carries. 0 receptions. Proving my point on how bad this draft is looking. ty chandler has been on IR since a thumb injury week 5.... here's his preseason highlight reel.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGdVkZnw94 Looked good in preseason. Although any kind of 'game tape' that includes a copious amount of Sean Mannion ... uhhh ... I just don't know. Bottomline is preseason 'looks' was #2 in your TalkVikes Draft Variables list. You have to be feeling pretty good right about now.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 3:51:54 PM)
Bottom line is Ty Chandler looked good and if you can't see it then wait for the draft material to come out in 3 years to tell you what to think.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 3:53:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M Bottom line is Ty Chandler looked good and if you can't see it then wait for the draft material to come out in 3 years and tell you what to think. Yeah, Well Kyle Sloter looked good in preseason too....

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 3:58:21 PM)
Chandler is Mattison's replacement next year. You can take that to the bank. The likely starter when Cook goes...

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 3:58:40 PM)
. . Pff grades…. Offensive Best: Cleveland…85.2 O’Neill…71.9 Cook…65.5 Jefferson… Offensive Worst: Brandel…31.3 Mattison…46.2 Mundt…50.0 Kirk… Ingram… Defensive Best: Tonga…90.2 Hunter…83.6 Asamoah…78.3 Defensive Worst: Hicks…46.2 Z’Smith…46.3 Sullivan…48.9 Booth…51.0

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (11/22/2022 3:59:46 PM)
. . pff notable others.... QB Kirk Cousins 51.1 WR Justin Jefferson 64.0 TE T.J. Hockenson 51.4 LT Christian Darrisaw 59.7 CB Patrick Peterson 65.1 LB Eric Kendricks 62.7

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