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Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 1:08:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lars My $0.02: Saw that loss coming a mile away. The Donashell couldn't get a turnover or stop them on third down. The OL actually held up better than expected. The 4th and 1 call was poor, as was the fumble play. Giving up the fake punt on 4th and 7! Ugh. The going for 2 was a total head scratcher, too. KFC played well. JJ is a beast!!!!!!!! Head home and take care of the Colts to win the division. The rest is all about getting healthy and seeding. Beyond this year....yes, Thielen, Smith, Cook? all need to go. Kirk did make some terrific throws and nobody is better than Jefferson. Our defense is hard to watch.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 1:24:44 PM)
Why would he (Vic Fangio) leave when they are rolling? He'd be part of a potential Superbowl winner. I just don't get why he would leave them, to take over a defense that sucks donkey nuts Because, Vic Fangio isn't the Eagles DC, not even sure he's on the payroll, he's acting as some sort of consultant. With the Vikings, he can come in, have an actual label of DC, and be the last second hero as they win the Super Bowl. Kind of like a FA like OBJ coming in as a last second final piece in December. The Vikings have some great players on defense, they would flourish with a more aggressive DC. And their job is made easy by having an offense that can score points.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 1:33:41 PM)
The Vikings should have put me in charge. I would have fired Donatell right after the Eagles game, and immediately hired Vic Fangio. Fangio would have an aggressive defense, and they would have had his system down by now. The Vikes could have locked down the number 2 spot, but now, mostly because Donatell sucks, are in a battle with SF for the number 2 spot.

Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 5:22:32 PM)
Quarterback Kirk Cousins became the first NFL player in five seasons to complete at least 75 percent of his pass attempts, throw for 400 yards, have no interceptions and not come out victorious, according to ESPN.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 6:31:11 PM)
Maybe some of you aren't aware of the reason the non-aggressive Ed Donatell was fired from Green Bay after a playoff game loss in 2004: https://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1710276 4th and 26 given up to McNabb, only rushing 3.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 6:37:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Why would he (Vic Fangio) leave when they are rolling? He'd be part of a potential Superbowl winner. I just don't get why he would leave them, to take over a defense that sucks donkey nuts Because, Vic Fangio isn't the Eagles DC, not even sure he's on the payroll, he's acting as some sort of consultant. With the Vikings, he can come in, have an actual label of DC, and be the last second hero as they win the Super Bowl. Kind of like a FA like OBJ coming in as a last second final piece in December. The Vikings have some great players on defense, they would flourish with a more aggressive DC. And their job is made easy by having an offense that can score points. He turned down multiple DC jobs this year. He wants to take the year off from having a major position and just consult. Next year he's likely to field offers. I doubt we were even on his radar to start the year and I'm pretty sure the Eagles disaster would not have changed his mind. By the time we showed we were actually pretty good, it was far too late to wholesale change systems. He's good, but not some magic worker. His career is full of great defenses, horrible defenses and everything in-between. I'd happily take him over Donatel, but it wasn't going to happen this year.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 9:27:33 PM)
I would take on the DC job myself, you almost couldn't make it worse. You have some great players on defense with Hunter, Z, Kendricks, PP and Smith. You have an offense that can put on points, and a Head coach that knows how to win.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 9:48:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Quarterback Kirk Cousins became the first NFL player in five seasons to complete at least 75 percent of his pass attempts, throw for 400 yards, have no interceptions and not come out victorious, according to ESPN. That will happen when your DC plays prevent defense the entire game

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/12/2022 9:52:33 PM)
Funny how Donnashell was mouthing off after the Jets game about his defense giving up yards but not points against a 3rd string qb. Now he could be losing his job. His system sux. Fire his ass and let Pettine take over.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 12:22:03 AM)
I just went to CBS sports NFL, and don't see anything about Donatell being fired. Are the Vikings just keeping this secret, or are some news places just behind in the coverage ? Or are we going to see the defense angrily rise up and be aggressive for a few weeks, and then go right back to sucking?

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 1:19:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty I would take on the DC job myself, you almost couldn't make it worse. You have some great players on defense with Hunter, Z, Kendricks, PP and Smith. You have an offense that can put on points, and a Head coach that knows how to win. No thank you and yes you could. It would start with you trying to convince Kwesi to trade Jefferson for Fangio as your assistant … and then begging Kwesi to sign OBJ at CB instead of WR. Not enough ‘facetime’ for you two with him way over on offense.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 2:13:56 AM)
. . truth is, even with our horrific defense this is a game we would have won in our normal crazy style - if we didn't make so many other bad decisions/errors.... hockenson dropped pass for a 1st down.... 4th down conversion fail...gave detroit short field.... cook fumble on detroit three yard line.... two-point conversion fail.... jefferson touchdown that was called stepped out...would have saved vikes 50 seconds.... onside kick...gave Detroit short field.... .

Karl Juhnke -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 7:35:15 AM)
Everyone here talking about defensive coaching, like tweaking defensive schemes is the answer. In what universe? There are about 4 talented defensive players, the rest would have trouble cracking a starting lineup anywhere. I got news. Nobody is going to coach them up into being pro bowlers. The defensive woes are primarily personnel driven. Regardless of scheme, you just need guys who can make plays.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 8:24:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz Quarterback Kirk Cousins became the first NFL player in five seasons to complete at least 75 percent of his pass attempts, throw for 400 yards, have no interceptions and not come out victorious, according to ESPN. KOC: It'll get lost in the shuffle but Kirk Cousins was dealing today. - of course it will

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 8:44:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke Everyone here talking about defensive coaching, like tweaking defensive schemes is the answer. In what universe? There are about 4 talented defensive players, the rest would have trouble cracking a starting lineup anywhere. I got news. Nobody is going to coach them up into being pro bowlers. The defensive woes are primarily personnel driven. Regardless of scheme, you just need guys who can make plays. This last draft did nothing to improve our personnel unfortunately.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 9:21:09 AM)
There are about 4 talented defensive players, the rest would have trouble cracking a starting lineup anywhere. I got news. Nobody is going to coach them up into being pro bowlers. The Rams had 3 good players on defense last year: Donald, Miller and Ramsey. Had Donatell been their defensive coordinator, they would have been one and done, and people likely would have been saying that it looks like Donald has lost a step. The Vikings have more good players, they have 5: Hunter, Z, Kendricks, Peterson and Smith. A good scheme will hide the weaknesses.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 9:36:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . truth is, even with our horrific defense this is a game we would have won in our normal crazy style - if we didn't make so many other bad decisions/errors.... hockenson dropped pass for a 1st down.... 4th down conversion fail...gave detroit short field.... cook fumble on detroit three yard line.... two-point conversion fail.... jefferson touchdown that was called stepped out...would have saved vikes 50 seconds.... onside kick...gave Detroit short field.... . Normal crazy is the outlier. A dropped pass, a fumble, a blown call by the ref, a couple of 'aggressive' plays that didn't work, a failed two-point conversion are all part of a normal game. Let's hope the law of averages from 12 games don't totally equalize over the next month.

bongbong -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 11:14:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke Everyone here talking about defensive coaching, like tweaking defensive schemes is the answer. In what universe? There are about 4 talented defensive players, the rest would have trouble cracking a starting lineup anywhere. I got news. Nobody is going to coach them up into being pro bowlers. The defensive woes are primarily personnel driven. Regardless of scheme, you just need guys who can make plays. You could be right, but every game we see some head scratchers. How does Cam Bynum, a safety, end up one-on-one with a WR on the goaline, having to cover the entire middle EZ with no help?! RIP, Slim

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 11:16:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . truth is, even with our horrific defense this is a game we would have won in our normal crazy style - if we didn't make so many other bad decisions/errors.... hockenson dropped pass for a 1st down.... 4th down conversion fail...gave detroit short field.... cook fumble on detroit three yard line.... two-point conversion fail.... jefferson touchdown that was called stepped out...would have saved vikes 50 seconds.... onside kick...gave Detroit short field.... . Normal crazy is the outlier. A dropped pass, a fumble, a blown call by the ref, a couple of 'aggressive' plays that didn't work, a failed two-point conversion are all part of a normal game. Let's hope the law of averages from 12 games don't totally equalize over the next month. We have had an amazing season ... so far ... not by improving on either side of the ball ... not by looking better / more consistent than the other teams we have played ... not by getting on a roll or elevating into playoff form ... We simply don't play better than any other team for more than a quarter or two. We have done it with the smoke and mirrors of not looking that good but making a few less mistakes, getting fewer bad breaks, and making a timely play or two in each game (that we didn't get blown out). Even our timely plays required help from the other team – like Jefferson's miracle catch, which required a miracle endzone fumble recovery. A lot of our timely plays were against another team's mediocre defense or offense + a mediocre starting / 2nd / 3rd string QB that still almost took the game from us. Not all of it but a lot of it has been catching teams at the right moment. 10-3 ... its incredible how consistently we've risen to the top of a very diluted, watered-down, regular-season jar of cornichon pickles. But its playoff season now ... the law of averages does not favor our little pickle for success.

Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 12:07:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke Everyone here talking about defensive coaching, like tweaking defensive schemes is the answer. In what universe? There are about 4 talented defensive players, the rest would have trouble cracking a starting lineup anywhere. I got news. Nobody is going to coach them up into being pro bowlers. The defensive woes are primarily personnel driven. Regardless of scheme, you just need guys who can make plays. This last draft did nothing to improve our personnel unfortunately. I agree it appears that way. Our top secondary picks have been injured so it's possible that they will help our defense next year. They couldn't make it worse. Evans with 3 concussions is certainly a huge concern though he was showing signs of improvement. We still know little about what Cine or Booth can do.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 3:50:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . truth is, even with our horrific defense this is a game we would have won in our normal crazy style - if we didn't make so many other bad decisions/errors.... hockenson dropped pass for a 1st down.... 4th down conversion fail...gave detroit short field.... cook fumble on detroit three yard line.... two-point conversion fail.... jefferson touchdown that was called stepped out...would have saved vikes 50 seconds.... onside kick...gave Detroit short field.... . Normal crazy is the outlier. A dropped pass, a fumble, a blown call by the ref, a couple of 'aggressive' plays that didn't work, a failed two-point conversion are all part of a normal game. Let's hope the law of averages from 12 games don't totally equalize over the next month. We have had an amazing season ... so far ... not by improving on either side of the ball ... not by looking better / more consistent than the other teams we have played ... not by getting on a roll or elevating into playoff form ... We simply don't play better than any other team for more than a quarter or two. We have done it with the smoke and mirrors of not looking that good but making a few less mistakes, getting fewer bad breaks, and making a timely play or two in each game (that we didn't get blown out). Even our timely plays required help from the other team – like Jefferson's miracle catch, which required a miracle endzone fumble recovery. A lot of our timely plays were against another team's mediocre defense or offense + a mediocre starting / 2nd / 3rd string QB that still almost took the game from us. Not all of it but a lot of it has been catching teams at the right moment. 10-3 ... its incredible how consistently we've risen to the top of a very diluted, watered-down, regular-season jar of cornichon pickles. But its playoff season now ... the law of averages does not favor our little pickle for success. Flipping a penny, still got a 50-50 chance

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 6:02:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . truth is, even with our horrific defense this is a game we would have won in our normal crazy style - if we didn't make so many other bad decisions/errors.... hockenson dropped pass for a 1st down.... 4th down conversion fail...gave detroit short field.... cook fumble on detroit three yard line.... two-point conversion fail.... jefferson touchdown that was called stepped out...would have saved vikes 50 seconds.... onside kick...gave Detroit short field.... . Normal crazy is the outlier. A dropped pass, a fumble, a blown call by the ref, a couple of 'aggressive' plays that didn't work, a failed two-point conversion are all part of a normal game. Let's hope the law of averages from 12 games don't totally equalize over the next month. We have had an amazing season ... so far ... not by improving on either side of the ball ... not by looking better / more consistent than the other teams we have played ... not by getting on a roll or elevating into playoff form ... We simply don't play better than any other team for more than a quarter or two. We have done it with the smoke and mirrors of not looking that good but making a few less mistakes, getting fewer bad breaks, and making a timely play or two in each game (that we didn't get blown out). Even our timely plays required help from the other team – like Jefferson's miracle catch, which required a miracle endzone fumble recovery. A lot of our timely plays were against another team's mediocre defense or offense + a mediocre starting / 2nd / 3rd string QB that still almost took the game from us. Not all of it but a lot of it has been catching teams at the right moment. 10-3 ... its incredible how consistently we've risen to the top of a very diluted, watered-down, regular-season jar of cornichon pickles. But its playoff season now ... the law of averages does not favor our little pickle for success. Flipping a penny, still got a 50-50 chance Especially in the first two games. And speaking of law of averages, one of these NFCCGs has to go our way ... soon! Hang in there people - what else have we got?

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 6:39:24 PM)
Change DCs so the team has a shot.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 6:59:53 PM)
It wouldn’t surprise me if the DC gets canned it the defense sucks again this week.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/13/2022 7:29:09 PM)
Not a chance our DC gets "canned" during the season. Better off just getting used to the idea that he'll be here next year, too.

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