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Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 12:30:07 PM)
Like KC pointedly did not do?

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 12:34:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Dak's final play off the season: https://youtu.be/U35HdAHNoHo -last years was better, though, right? I know the gms are smarter than I am but at some point they'll stop paying qbs these ridiculous contracts just because it's "their turn". The top 3 to 5 qbs I can understand. Not these average qbs to slightly above average. The Cowboys didn't have any falloff in production when Prescott was out for several games early in the year. They did just fine with Cooper Rush.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 12:40:06 PM)
The best two teams still playing are both in the NFC in Philadelphia and San Francisco. HANDS DOWN! If I were a betting man, I'd be laying money on Philly to win it all. They look like the complete package to me.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 1:26:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The best two teams still playing are both in the NFC in Philadelphia and San Francisco. HANDS DOWN! If I were a betting man, I'd be laying money on Philly to win it all. They look like the complete package to me. Take a look at where they used their positional salary cap allotment. They had $64 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in dead cap this year and still put together a championship caliber team. QB: $5 million (2.5 of that is Gardner Minshew for crying out loud) RB: $5.3 million (got 1269 yards and 11 TDs out of Miles Sanders, got another 7 TDs between Kenneth Gainwell and Boston Scott) WR: $13 million AJ Brown 1496 yards 11 TDs, Davonta Smith 1196 yards 7 TDs TE: $5.2 million Dallas Goedert 700 yards 3 TDs O-Line: $27 million D-Line: $44 million! Corners: $16 million

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 1:29:54 PM)
MN by comparison QB: $33 million RB: $14.6 million WR: $20 million TE: $4 million O-Line: $23 million D-Line: $18.5 million Corners: $8 million EDIT - accidentally jumped to 2023 for some of the numbers. Now fixed.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 1:44:14 PM)
Slightly different numbers: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/breakdown/2022/ but a glaring difference at LB: Phil LB: $8.6 million Minn LB: $35.6 million

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 2:08:13 PM)
Comical to look at a couple of positions in 2023, both 3rd highest: LB: $52 million! RB: $20 million DB is about average at $32 million with Harrison gobbling up 2/3rds of that. Note players like Hunter and Z Smith are counted twice (edge and LB).

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 2:17:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The best two teams still playing are both in the NFC in Philadelphia and San Francisco. HANDS DOWN! If I were a betting man, I'd be laying money on Philly to win it all. They look like the complete package to me. Take a look at where they used their positional salary cap allotment. They had $64 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in dead cap this year and still put together a championship caliber team. QB: $5 million (2.5 of that is Gardner Minshew for crying out loud) RB: $5.3 million (got 1269 yards and 11 TDs out of Miles Sanders, got another 7 TDs between Kenneth Gainwell and Boston Scott) WR: $13 million AJ Brown 1496 yards 11 TDs, Davonta Smith 1196 yards 7 TDs TE: $5.2 million Dallas Goedert 700 yards 3 TDs O-Line: $27 million D-Line: $44 million! Corners: $16 million Amazing what happens when you hit on a rookie QB.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 2:30:37 PM)
Good stuff guys!

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 3:26:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Slightly different numbers: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/breakdown/2022/ but a glaring difference at LB: Phil LB: $8.6 million Minn LB: $35.6 million We definitely over spent, primarily on Kendricks, but some of the DL/LB comparision is skewed when some teams are 3/4 and others are 4/3. They should probably break out edge into its own category to make the comparison more fair. Hunter who should be a DE if the DC wasn't a dunce, was in the LB total for us. We had 8 LB's listed and Philly had 5.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 3:29:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Comical to look at a couple of positions in 2023, both 3rd highest: LB: $52 million! RB: $20 million DB is about average at $32 million with Harrison gobbling up 2/3rds of that. Note players like Hunter and Z Smith are counted twice (edge and LB). ? Not where I'm looking. Do you have a link to what you are looking at? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/positional/defensive-line/2022/active-cap/

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 4:56:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Like KC pointedly did not do? Nice.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 4:57:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Slightly different numbers: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/breakdown/2022/ but a glaring difference at LB: Phil LB: $8.6 million Minn LB: $35.6 million We definitely over spent, primarily on Kendricks, but some of the DL/LB comparision is skewed when some teams are 3/4 and others are 4/3. They should probably break out edge into its own category to make the comparison more fair. Hunter who should be a DE if the DC wasn't a dunce, was in the LB total for us. We had 8 LB's listed and Philly had 5. But then you'd need edge plus DL or edge plus LB... let them know. But you CAN mix and match with rudimentary math. Anyway, 2022 is yesterday's news but was just adding to what David F. posted.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 5:01:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Comical to look at a couple of positions in 2023, both 3rd highest: LB: $52 million! RB: $20 million DB is about average at $32 million with Harrison gobbling up 2/3rds of that. Note players like Hunter and Z Smith are counted twice (edge and LB). ? Not where I'm looking. Do you have a link to what you are looking at? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/positional/defensive-line/2022/active-cap/ I said 2023 and your link shows 2022. Them thar paychacks are gonna git bigger unless they burn the place down! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/positional/ Lay off the puntas unless you are in Parador!

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 5:21:57 PM)
[:D]

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 5:23:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty The Cousin's curse continues: https://share.newsbreak.com/2vopbbfz Barstool Sports dug up one of the oddest stats you'll ever see: no team in NFL history has lost to Kirk Cousins and went on to play in the Super Bowl. They've dubbed it "The Cousins Curse." [&:]

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 5:27:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Like KC pointedly did not do? Nice. Yep! Once in awhile i don't mind serving up a fat one

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 6:40:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Like KC pointedly did not do? Nice. Yep! Once in awhile i don't mind serving up a fat one Oh now that you mention it, it was quite obese.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 7:31:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Like KC pointedly did not do? Nice. Yep! Once in awhile i don't mind serving up a fat one Oh now that you mention it, it was quite obese. Gave Trump a run for his money…

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 8:44:04 PM)
Fun fact related to our earlier discussion with positional salary cap: Because San Fran and Philly play each other, the 2022 season is guaranteed to have a QB on his rookie deal as a participant. This makes all the seasons since 2012 except 2016 that have a QB on his rookie deal as a starter in the Super Bowl. Start drafting and NEVER give a "good" QB a god-tier contact.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 8:49:21 PM)
Regarding Diggs https://twitter.com/ElvinRyan_FF/status/1617297768988479489

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 10:31:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Comical to look at a couple of positions in 2023, both 3rd highest: LB: $52 million! RB: $20 million DB is about average at $32 million with Harrison gobbling up 2/3rds of that. Note players like Hunter and Z Smith are counted twice (edge and LB). ? Not where I'm looking. Do you have a link to what you are looking at? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/positional/defensive-line/2022/active-cap/ I said 2023 and your link shows 2022. Them thar paychacks are gonna git bigger unless they burn the place down! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/positional/ Lay off the puntas unless you are in Parador! Your first post included a link that brought me to 2022 salaries. I missed the fact that your 2nd post switched the year to 2023. In either case, neither year showed Hunter and Z as D Line.

Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 10:54:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Dak's final play off the season: https://youtu.be/U35HdAHNoHo -last years was better, though, right? I know the gms are smarter than I am but at some point they'll stop paying qbs these ridiculous contracts just because it's "their turn". The top 3 to 5 qbs I can understand. Not these average qbs to slightly above average. The Cowboys didn't have any falloff in production when Prescott was out for several games early in the year. They did just fine with Cooper Rush. The Cowboys were more in tune with their game planning when Rush was in the game. With Prescott they don't seem to have the same attention to detail. If they use similar game plans with Prescott as they did with Rush they would be a more effective team, playing complimentary football. With that philosophy, they'd be 1 win away from getting to the SB.

Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/23/2023 11:29:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The best two teams still playing are both in the NFC in Philadelphia and San Francisco. HANDS DOWN! If I were a betting man, I'd be laying money on Philly to win it all. They look like the complete package to me. Take a look at where they used their positional salary cap allotment. They had $64 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in dead cap this year and still put together a championship caliber team. QB: $5 million (2.5 of that is Gardner Minshew for crying out loud) RB: $5.3 million (got 1269 yards and 11 TDs out of Miles Sanders, got another 7 TDs between Kenneth Gainwell and Boston Scott) WR: $13 million AJ Brown 1496 yards 11 TDs, Davonta Smith 1196 yards 7 TDs TE: $5.2 million Dallas Goedert 700 yards 3 TDs O-Line: $27 million D-Line: $44 million! Corners: $16 million Amazing what happens when you hit on a rookie QB. Indeed. Seattle had their time with Russ on the rookie deal. The 49ers will have their time in the sun for a couple of seasons. The Chargers must be wondering how they're not winning with Herbert on his rookie deal. The Eagles coaching staff deserves loads of credit. Sirianni realized half way through last season that he needed to work a college style offense where Hurts could be a dual threat.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/24/2023 7:50:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The best two teams still playing are both in the NFC in Philadelphia and San Francisco. HANDS DOWN! If I were a betting man, I'd be laying money on Philly to win it all. They look like the complete package to me. Take a look at where they used their positional salary cap allotment. They had $64 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in dead cap this year and still put together a championship caliber team. QB: $5 million (2.5 of that is Gardner Minshew for crying out loud) RB: $5.3 million (got 1269 yards and 11 TDs out of Miles Sanders, got another 7 TDs between Kenneth Gainwell and Boston Scott) WR: $13 million AJ Brown 1496 yards 11 TDs, Davonta Smith 1196 yards 7 TDs TE: $5.2 million Dallas Goedert 700 yards 3 TDs O-Line: $27 million D-Line: $44 million! Corners: $16 million Amazing what happens when you hit on a rookie QB. Indeed. Seattle had their time with Russ on the rookie deal. The 49ers will have their time in the sun for a couple of seasons. The Chargers must be wondering how they're not winning with Herbert on his rookie deal. The Eagles coaching staff deserves loads of credit. Sirianni realized half way through last season that he needed to work a college style offense where Hurts could be a dual threat. Eagles better get the super bowl this year. Hurts takes a ton of hits so he may be getting hurt a lot. Hopefully for his sake he will learn to slide and live to fight another down. It'll be interesting to see how he looks against the Niners D.

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