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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

When you stop using Wins/Losses to judge a pitcher...

Give that spin to the guys that select the Cy Young Award. They'll laugh you out of the building. At the end of the day, it's always about wins and losses.

It may have been 30-50 years ago but not anymore. the voters have all but stopped looking at the number of wins as a factor.

It was preposterous to consider the 20 win Chieng-Meng Wang a candidate for the Cy over the 19 win Johan Santana, but that argument was actually made despite the fact that in every single metric outside of wins/losses Santana crushed Wang.

Felix Hernandez and Zack Greinke both won the Cy despite low win totals playing for otherwise bad teams. they dominated and just suffered from poor run support.

It's not spin.

It's fact. There are far too many factors that go into how a pitcher is awarded a win that have nothing to do with the pitcher, and the rules for getting a win, (for a starter you need to complete five innings, but for a loss you don't even have to get an out, and a relief pitcher can earn a win getting just one out) are so uneven it's laughable.

You need to look at stats that show how the pitcher keeps hitters off the basepaths and keeps the ones on the basepaths from scoring.

If you really look at those metrics since Pablo Lopez joined the team you will find a pitcher that is pretty damned good at his job.

Did any win a Cy Young at 29-32 with a 3.83?

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Using Wins and Losses as the gauge for the value of a pitcher, especially in this era, is ASSININE!

He has a 3.83 lifetime ERA. Marginal, but not great. Lets give it some time and see how it shakes out by the All Star Break.

Then we better do the same for Arráez.

Dude hit a rock solid .338 the first half and a very pedestrian .286 the second half.

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Let me get this W/L thing straight.

Pitcher A pitches 5 innings, gives up 6 runs, but his team wins 8-6. He gets the W.
Pitcher B pitches 9 innings, gives up 1 run, but his team loses 1-0. He takes the L.

Pitcher A was the better player on this day?

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Let me get this W/L thing straight.

Pitcher A pitches 5 innings, gives up 6 runs, but his team wins 8-6. He gets the W.
Pitcher B pitches 9 innings, gives up 1 run, but his team loses 1-0. He takes the L.

Pitcher A was the better player on this day?

And we'll on his way to a Cy Young award.

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Let me get this W/L thing straight.

Pitcher A pitches 5 innings, gives up 6 runs, but his team wins 8-6. He gets the W.
Pitcher B pitches 9 innings, gives up 1 run, but his team loses 1-0. He takes the L.

Pitcher A was the better player on this day?

And we'll on his way to a Cy Young award.

What were the NL Cy Young voters thinking last year

1. Alcantara 14-9
2. Fried 14-7
3. Urial 17-7
4. Nola 11-13
8. Darvish 16-8
10. Wright 21-5

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Let me get this W/L thing straight.

Pitcher A pitches 5 innings, gives up 6 runs, but his team wins 8-6. He gets the W.
Pitcher B pitches 9 innings, gives up 1 run, but his team loses 1-0. He takes the L.

Pitcher A was the better player on this day?

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Let me get this W/L thing straight.

Pitcher A pitches 5 innings, gives up 6 runs, but his team wins 8-6. He gets the W.
Pitcher B pitches 9 innings, gives up 1 run, but his team loses 1-0. He takes the L.

Pitcher A was the better player on this day?

If awards were based on one performance you may have something there.

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Smart GMs trade assets at their highest and have replacements...from what I see we have replacements at 1b and 2b and also a very good pitcher under contract.

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Small sample size, but I like what I'm seeing from Julien so far. Gallo has been great, hope he can stay on the field.

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Smart GMs trade assets at their highest and have replacements...from what I see we have replacements at 1b and 2b and also a very good pitcher under contract.

What about catcher depth
Outfield depth

first base depth

They have to make some of these moves because they're not very good at player development.

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It's nice to know he's waiting in the wings though because it's almost a certainty that Polanco will be hurt again.

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It's nice to know he's waiting in the wings though because it's almost a certainty that Polanco will be hurt again.

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Smart GMs trade assets at their highest and have replacements...from what I see we have replacements at 1b and 2b and also a very good pitcher under contract.

What about catcher depth
Outfield depth

first base depth

They have to make some of these moves because they're not very good at player development.

I see the signings and moves this past offseason as an improvement (FA adds: Taylor, Farmer, Vazquez, Gallo, and Solano FA Subtracts:Sanchez, Sano).....I was starting to lean last week that moving on from Kepler and Polanco in the offseason would have helped also....Kepler seems to have started to hit and we will see on Poloanco. Julien looks totally capable at 2B.

I don't agree on the OF/1B Depth.....Lots of injuries when you look at Larnach, Kepler, Celestino, Kirrilloff in the OF. Kirilloff at 1B also but Catcher is a problem.

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It's nice to know he's waiting in the wings though because it's almost a certainty that Polanco will be hurt again.

Though there have been a couple issues the last couple seasons, Polanco was not one to miss time before last year.

He hasn't had a long career of injuries.

Other than he is under the watchful eye of the Twins crack medical staff, I don't see Polanco as being "injury prone"

that's Buxton's deal.

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It's nice to know he's waiting in the wings though because it's almost a certainty that Polanco will be hurt again.

Though there have been a couple issues the last couple seasons, Polanco was not one to miss time before last year.

He hasn't had a long career of injuries.

Other than he is under the watchful eye of the Twins crack medical staff, I don't see Polanco as being "injury prone"

that's Buxton's deal.

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I thought I heard somewhere that Polanco's issue could be chronic.