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Mark Anderson -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/13/2023 3:04:31 PM)

Thielbar cleans up Jax's mess. With a little help from the umpire.

Pagan dominant. Never thought I would type that.




Mister Ed -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/13/2023 3:23:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Thielbar cleans up Jax's mess. With a little help from the umpire.

Pagan dominant. Never thought I would type that.


His cutter has been bad in the past. Didn't use it in 2 K's
95.3 t0 98.3 with the 4-seamer

Twins 1-2 pitchers pitched like it this weekend. Dang.

Thielbar's return is huge. Jax is once again throwing his love pitch, the sweeper right over the plate. Duh, it's gonna get hit.




Steve Lentz -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/13/2023 3:33:33 PM)

Gray rose to the occasion!




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/13/2023 3:35:02 PM)

Thielbar being back is huge.




bstinger -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 8:03:40 AM)

Jekyll and Hyde team. So frustrating and I absolutely hate the manager.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 8:04:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Thielbar being back is huge.


As well as Pagan throwing 98-99 now instead of 93-94....

Wonder what Brad H thinks of Sonny Gray's performance and how our poor pitching did this weekend.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 8:06:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Jekyll and Hyde team. So frustrating and I absolutely hate the manager.


The KC performance was pathetic; the Tigers are actually improved since they got some pitching back from injuries (Manning and Skubal)




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 8:18:05 AM)

HOLY CRAP!!! Souhan must have had Matt write today's column.

Snooty Twins fans could use a dose of realism and ought to chill a bit
Somehow, the Twins putting themselves on pace to enter the playoffs with a strong rotation and a rising ace in Pablo López is just not good enough for some fans.

The Twins will return to Target Field with a 4½-game lead in the Central Division, the largest division lead in the American League.

In their past two games, they gave up just one run to the hot-hitting Philadelphia Phillies in one of baseball's best hitters' ballparks, as Pablo López and Sonny Gray combined for 12 shutout innings.

Those became two of the most impressive outings from the best and deepest rotation the Twins have fielded since 1970.

The 2023 Twins are on pace to win 84 games. The most celebrated men's professional sports team in Minnesota history is the 1987 Twins, who won Minnesota's first major sports championship.

The 1987 Twins won 85 games, holding off the Royals by two games to finish at the top of a terrible division. Then the '87 Twins, with two reliable starting pitchers, won the World Series.

These realities do not seem to be registering with a horde of dissatisfied Twins fans, who loudly lament their team's inability to run away with the division title.

Which makes me wonder.

When and how did Minnesotans become the cork-sniffers of the sports world?

If the Gophers football team won the Big Ten West, you would have seen parades and burning cars in Dinkytown.

Somehow, the Twins putting themselves on pace to enter the playoffs with a strong rotation and a rising ace in López in the first round is just not good enough.

This mentality is understandable, if you relate it to wine snobs.

"The Twins are a reasonably tasty bargain vintage, but they present an indifferent mouthfeel, and there is a hint of overripe elderberries on the finish. This bottle would be more vivacious if the grapes were grown during the rainy season in the Bordeaux region. My rating: negative 12 stars."

It's easy to discern what has gone wrong for this team: Byron Buxton and Carlos Correa have disappointed at the plate, and setup man Jorge López dealt with performance and mental health issues.

Look at what's gone right.

Donovan Solano, Willi Castro and Michael A. Taylor were overlooked and underrated additions. All three have excelled within their expected roles. Solano is one of the team's best hitters and has played surprisingly well at first base. Castro has been an excellent utility player. Taylor has saved the Twins in center field.

The recent addition of Jordan Luplow paid off immediately. Luplow is 6-for-18 with a home run and double.

Edouard Julien, Matt Wallner, Royce Lewis, Alex Kirilloff, Brooks Lee, Walker Jenkins and Emmanuel Rodriguez highlight as good a group of young hitters as the Twins have had since Kirby Puckett was a skinny singles-hitting prospect.

At a time when most people, including me, would have cut Max Kepler, they stuck with him, and he has rewarded them with an All-Star caliber OPS (on-base percentage plus slugging percentage) of .894 since June 30 and .932 since July 14.

The Twins have survived the struggles and departure of Jorge López — and the injury to the remarkably talented Brock Stewart — with a cast of seeming thousands. On Sunday, Griffin Jax, Caleb Thielbar and Emilio Pagán got the ball to Jhoan Duran for a tense victory over the kind of team the Twins might be facing in the playoffs.

What's most interesting about the dissatisfaction with this team is that when the Twins' brain trust has erred, it has done so by acting aggressively. For decades we have heard complaints about the Twins' spending and passivity. If anything, they were too aggressive and ambitious in signing Buxton and Correa to long-term contracts and dealing away quality prospects last year at the trading deadline.

I approved of the Buxton and Correa signings because they are supreme talents, and it is the job of the front office to amass as much talent as possible.

I wasn't as high on trading prospects at last year's deadline, but the Twins' current stock load of quality young hitters might make those losses moot.

But go ahead, Minnesotans, turn up your noses at a potential division winner. When your state is awash in championships, you have every right to be snooty.


Wow! Even for Souhan this is a load of crap.




bstinger -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 9:04:53 AM)

Twins should put up at least 1 playoff win before they start bashing fans for their pessimism.




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 9:06:44 AM)

-Bohm maintained after the game that he was right to take the pitch. "We're trying to win a game. It's a big spot, and I felt like I did all I could do," he said. "I felt like the bat was taken out of my hands. But it's just a bunch of humans out there, and mistakes happen.-"

This is the mentality in today's hitters that drives me nuts. He stood and looked at strike 3 on a 3-2 count with the bases loaded. The pitch was maybe an inch off the plate. Too close to take in that situation. Back in the day, hitters woukd try to foul the pitch off if they couldn't put it in play. They battled and tried to keep that AB alive. Today, they stand there and look at it, get rung up and continue to defend the decision to look it after the game.




bstinger -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 9:10:54 AM)

Lopez and Gray did wonderfully well in Philly. Hope they carry it into the playoffs. If they do, we have a chance, but they haven't exactly been consistently dominant.

Lopez has been great the last 3 starts and good the 2 before that after getting shelled in Oakland after the all-star break.

Gray kind of similar run after getting shelled in Baltimore before the all-star break and Seattle after.




twinsfan -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 9:43:23 AM)

Souhan's column is a masterpiece.




MDK -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 10:43:10 AM)

The playoffs today are completely different than the 87 Twins. They had 2 Frontline starters. TK was willing to lose the last 5 games cause they had clinched the division and he wanted to set up his rotation.
As bstinger noted, win a playoff game (just one) before you bash pessimistic fans.
18 playoff losses and counting.
How high is the river mama: 18 losses and rising.




Ricky J -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 11:03:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

HOLY CRAP!!! Souhan must have had Matt write today's column.



- ha ha, I just cut the article to paste myself. I had similar type of thoughts




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 11:26:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Souhan's column is a masterpiece.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA




Ricky J -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 12:41:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MDK

The playoffs today are completely different than the 87 Twins. They had 2 Frontline starters. TK was willing to lose the last 5 games cause they had clinched the division and he wanted to set up his rotation.
As bstinger noted, win a playoff game (just one) before you bash pessimistic fans.
18 playoff losses and counting.
How high is the river mama: 18 losses and rising.

I would of never clicked on the article if it was going to be another negative, we suck piece. I enjoyed it! I especially enjoyed reading "... What's gone right." Sure beats the hell out of "We suck, I hate this team."




TJSweens -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 1:47:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: MDK

The playoffs today are completely different than the 87 Twins. They had 2 Frontline starters. TK was willing to lose the last 5 games cause they had clinched the division and he wanted to set up his rotation.
As bstinger noted, win a playoff game (just one) before you bash pessimistic fans.
18 playoff losses and counting.
How high is the river mama: 18 losses and rising.

I would of never clicked on the article if it was going to be another negative, we suck piece. I enjoyed it! I especially enjoyed reading "... What's gone right." Sure beats the hell out of "We suck, I hate this team."

I found it nauseating. I'd rather he write something honest. Half of the "what's gone right" is nothing to feel good about. Taylor ans Luplow are excelling. Give me a break.




Phil Riewer -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 1:58:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MDK

The playoffs today are completely different than the 87 Twins. They had 2 Frontline starters. TK was willing to lose the last 5 games cause they had clinched the division and he wanted to set up his rotation.
As bstinger noted, win a playoff game (just one) before you bash pessimistic fans.
18 playoff losses and counting.
How high is the river mama: 18 losses and rising.


+1
We haven't had 2 frontline starters since 2006 (Santana and Liriano) or 3 frontline since 91-92.

Good old 2006. Punto, Lew Ford were everyday starters and I believe Castillo was traded away before the playoffs. TR resigned the next year as he totally screwed that roster.




Ricky J -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 2:16:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

The playoffs today are completely different than the 87 Twins. They had 2 Frontline starters. TK was willing to lose the last 5 games cause they had clinched the division and he wanted to set up his rotation.
As bstinger noted, win a playoff game (just one) before you bash pessimistic fans.
18 playoff losses and counting.
How high is the river mama: 18 losses and rising.

I would of never clicked on the article if it was going to be another negative, we suck piece. I enjoyed it! I especially enjoyed reading "... What's gone right." Sure beats the hell out of "We suck, I hate this team."

I found it nauseating. I'd rather he write something honest. Half of the "what's gone right" is nothing to feel good about. Taylor ans Luplow are excelling. Give me a break.

We're all different for sure - and that's ok. For me it was nice to read something optimistic for a change.




MDK -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 3:25:16 PM)

Sid is reincarnated as Souhan




Mister Ed -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/14/2023 5:00:38 PM)

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Somehow, the Twins putting themselves on pace to enter the playoffs with a strong rotation and a rising ace in López in the first round is just not good enough.


How dare any Twins fan expect better than 4 games over .500 with the best starting pitching as a group in years. [&o]




Phil Riewer -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/15/2023 7:22:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

The playoffs today are completely different than the 87 Twins. They had 2 Frontline starters. TK was willing to lose the last 5 games cause they had clinched the division and he wanted to set up his rotation.
As bstinger noted, win a playoff game (just one) before you bash pessimistic fans.
18 playoff losses and counting.
How high is the river mama: 18 losses and rising.

I would of never clicked on the article if it was going to be another negative, we suck piece. I enjoyed it! I especially enjoyed reading "... What's gone right." Sure beats the hell out of "We suck, I hate this team."

I found it nauseating. I'd rather he write something honest. Half of the "what's gone right" is nothing to feel good about. Taylor ans Luplow are excelling. Give me a break.

We're all different for sure - and that's ok. For me it was nice to read something optimistic for a change.


A positive spin from Souhan almost looks forced from the Star Trib board...but I will take it.




Brad H -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/15/2023 9:19:39 AM)

First off, I'm not sure why anyone would assume the Twins are going to make the playoffs. There's 42 games remaining.

Lets not forget, last season they went 28-40 after the All-Star Break and missed the playoffs by 14 games.




Ricky J -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/15/2023 9:50:08 AM)

Twins at home for 5 games this week: 2 v. Det, 3 v. Pitt

4-1?

;)

edit: 17-12 (.706) since the break this year so far, including a nice run and a horrible effort v. KC & Det.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread (8/15/2023 10:01:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Twins at home for 5 games this week: 2 v. Det, 3 v. Pitt

4-1?

;)


Considering the way they've played this year, more likely 1-4




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