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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

After a ton of opportunities given to Moran, it makes little sense they don't give Kody Funderburk an opportunity. Winder and Sands even being on the roster right now is a waste of time.

Now they're chirping that Keuchel, who saved his career for another start after Sunday, could be part of a 6 man rotation to save arms. SMH

Keuchel was aided by a ridiculous strike zone. If he goes in TX, he will be shelled again. TX will score double digits.

The master plan is to have Kuechel, Maeda, and Ober as bullpen guys in the playoffs....[&o] [:o]

I don't know what Joe Ryan has done since May to secure a spot in the playoff rotation.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

So the Twins are calling up Funderburk, Martin, Boyle, Williams and Henriquez in September. That should allow some of our main guys to get some rest before postseason.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Allen

Our 61st loss tonight...I would have liked to see Ober throw one more inning.

26 of the losses have been decided in the 6th inning or later. Twins have been tied or ahead only to see the other team rally. Griffin Jax has lost seven games for the Twins by giving up the lead in the 7th or later. Duran has lost five. It's not only the bullpen...at times Rocco will let the starter go into the 7th and seven times they have lost the lead. Pagan has only blown one game...but he did give up the lead late only to see the Twins rally.

I am not sure how these numbers compare to other teams, but it just seems like the Twins lose a lot of games in the later innings.

6th -- 4 losses
7th -- 11 losses
8th -- 3 losses
9th -- 3 losses
10th -- 4 losses
12th -- 1 loss

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Do not accuse me of defending Rocco. I never wanted him hired and was against his extension, but I think chatter about Rocco mishandling the bullpen lacks necessary context. I still read this page from time to time and there seems to be a lot of complaining about Rocco going to the bullpen too soon as if that is ruining this ballclub. For starters, our bullpen has given up 364 hits. Only Houston's bullpen has given up fewer hits. Our bullpen has a WHIP that is ranked 13th in baseball. We are 10th in earned runs given up. What are we really talking about here?
https://www.covers.com/sport/baseball/mlb/statistics/team-bullpenera/2023

And there is more:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2023-reliever-pitching.shtml
Do you guys know what GR is? That is Games in Relief. They are the number of games in which a pitcher appears but is not the starting pitcher. We are well below the league average there.
Go watch major league baseball beyond this team. That is a gripe EVERYWHERE. What the hell are we supposed to do when Sonny Gray goes to the bump? This guy is a five to six inning pitcher and never was anything else.

I have an axe to grind with Rocco, but he is only here because of Falvey and Levine. THEY are the issue.

If I am picking the biggest problem outside of the front office or Rocco it is Byron Buxton. Far and away he is the worst thing on this team right now. Since the moment he threw his little tantrum at the end of the 2018 season he has been a problem. He was actually a problem before that offseason because hat year he hit .156 and was riddled with a variety of mysterious injuries. The Twins RIGHTLY did not call him up in September and went home like a little bitch leaving Rochester without informing the Twins and without taking any calls. He even blew off Molitor, Torii and Tommy Watkins. Rocco had to go down and see him and Sano during the winter after he was hired. I have never EVER heard of that in my 50 years of following major league baseball.

Buxton is simply not worth our time anymore, but he needs to be ripped for his lack of professionalism. The guy has played in more than 92 games ONCE. Last year the stated goal was to get him in 100 games. This past winter when fans on Twitter joked about him being injury prone he injected himself into the conversation and made himself look like an ass. He needed to be reprimanded for that. A lot was made early about what great character he had. What happened, because I have not seen it. No doubt, this organization created this Frankenstein and if I was GM I would find a way to throw him in the dumpster. Get rid of him and change the dynamic because having a guy like Buxton kills accountability across the board.

And as far as that Souhan article goes, he ought to be ashamed. He rips the fans for being "snooty"?? Excuse me? We have lost 18 straight playoff games so what is he even talking about trying to pump up this mediocre bunch? Sure anything can happen. The first real season I followed was 1973 and I actually attended some Met games that year. Dad took me and brother down to see them, two hours plus in that old Galaxie 500. This is NOT the 1987 Twins. That team needed to get past the Tigers. That was it. Now it must go through a few layers of far superior teams. If Souhan wanted to earn his money and do his job he would be relentlessly pressing the Twins on this ridiculous Buxton situation. What PRECISELY is wrong with his knee? That is the job of the press. You get answers for the fans, not rip them

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Do not accuse me of defending Rocco. I never wanted him hired and was against his extension, but I think chatter about Rocco mishandling the bullpen lacks necessary context. I still read this page from time to time and there seems to be a lot of complaining about Rocco going to the bullpen too soon as if that is ruining this ballclub. For starters, our bullpen has given up 364 hits. Only Houston's bullpen has given up fewer hits. Our bullpen has a WHIP that is ranked 13th in baseball. We are 10th in earned runs given up. What are we really talking about here?
https://www.covers.com/sport/baseball/mlb/statistics/team-bullpenera/2023

And there is more:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2023-reliever-pitching.shtml
Do you guys know what GR is? That is Games in Relief. They are the number of games in which a pitcher appears but is not the starting pitcher. We are well below the league average there.


And as far as that Souhan article goes, he ought to be ashamed. He rips the fans for being "snooty"?? Excuse me? We have lost 18 straight playoff games so what is he even talking about trying to pump up this mediocre bunch? Sure anything can happen. The first real season I followed was 1973 and I actually attended some Met games that year. Dad took me and brother down to see them, two hours plus in that old Galaxie 500. This is NOT the 1987 Twins. That team needed to get past the Tigers. That was it. Now it must go through a few layers of far superior teams. If Souhan wanted to earn his money and do his job he would be relentlessly pressing the Twins on this ridiculous Buxton situation. What PRECISELY is wrong with his knee? That is the job of the press. You get answers for the fans, not rip them

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Do not accuse me of defending Rocco. I never wanted him hired and was against his extension, but I think chatter about Rocco mishandling the bullpen lacks necessary context. I still read this page from time to time and there seems to be a lot of complaining about Rocco going to the bullpen too soon as if that is ruining this ballclub. For starters, our bullpen has given up 364 hits. Only Houston's bullpen has given up fewer hits. Our bullpen has a WHIP that is ranked 13th in baseball. We are 10th in earned runs given up. What are we really talking about here?
https://www.covers.com/sport/baseball/mlb/statistics/team-bullpenera/2023

And there is more:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2023-reliever-pitching.shtml
Do you guys know what GR is? That is Games in Relief. They are the number of games in which a pitcher appears but is not the starting pitcher. We are well below the league average there.
Go watch major league baseball beyond this team. That is a gripe EVERYWHERE. What the hell are we supposed to do when Sonny Gray goes to the bump? This guy is a five to six inning pitcher and never was anything else.

I have an axe to grind with Rocco, but he is only here because of Falvey and Levine. THEY are the issue.

If I am picking the biggest problem outside of the front office or Rocco it is Byron Buxton. Far and away he is the worst thing on this team right now. Since the moment he threw his little tantrum at the end of the 2018 season he has been a problem. He was actually a problem before that offseason because hat year he hit .156 and was riddled with a variety of mysterious injuries. The Twins RIGHTLY did not call him up in September and went home like a little bitch leaving Rochester without informing the Twins and without taking any calls. He even blew off Molitor, Torii and Tommy Watkins. Rocco had to go down and see him and Sano during the winter after he was hired. I have never EVER heard of that in my 50 years of following major league baseball.

Buxton is simply not worth our time anymore, but he needs to be ripped for his lack of professionalism. The guy has played in more than 92 games ONCE. Last year the stated goal was to get him in 100 games. This past winter when fans on Twitter joked about him being injury prone he injected himself into the conversation and made himself look like an ass. He needed to be reprimanded for that. A lot was made early about what great character he had. What happened, because I have not seen it. No doubt, this organization created this Frankenstein and if I was GM I would find a way to throw him in the dumpster. Get rid of him and change the dynamic because having a guy like Buxton kills accountability across the board.

And as far as that Souhan article goes, he ought to be ashamed. He rips the fans for being "snooty"?? Excuse me? We have lost 18 straight playoff games so what is he even talking about trying to pump up this mediocre bunch? Sure anything can happen. The first real season I followed was 1973 and I actually attended some Met games that year. Dad took me and brother down to see them, two hours plus in that old Galaxie 500. This is NOT the 1987 Twins. That team needed to get past the Tigers. That was it. Now it must go through a few layers of far superior teams. If Souhan wanted to earn his money and do his job he would be relentlessly pressing the Twins on this ridiculous Buxton situation. What PRECISELY is wrong with his knee? That is the job of the press. You get answers for the fans, not rip them

So St. Louis was a slouch?

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Souhan demands fans show up and buy $12 beers to watch a team on an 18 game post season losing streak.

I think I was actually at the last home playoff game they won. I think it was game 1 of the 2002 ALCS.

I don't think Rocco has any say in the managing of the team, even at the single game level. Comes from the geeks upstairs. Rocco takes the heat for their tinkering. Like old school Mafia bosses and their lieutenants.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Do not accuse me of defending Rocco. I never wanted him hired and was against his extension, but I think chatter about Rocco mishandling the bullpen lacks necessary context. I still read this page from time to time and there seems to be a lot of complaining about Rocco going to the bullpen too soon as if that is ruining this ballclub. For starters, our bullpen has given up 364 hits. Only Houston's bullpen has given up fewer hits. Our bullpen has a WHIP that is ranked 13th in baseball. We are 10th in earned runs given up. What are we really talking about here?
https://www.covers.com/sport/baseball/mlb/statistics/team-bullpenera/2023

And there is more:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2023-reliever-pitching.shtml
Do you guys know what GR is? That is Games in Relief. They are the number of games in which a pitcher appears but is not the starting pitcher. We are well below the league average there.


And as far as that Souhan article goes, he ought to be ashamed. He rips the fans for being "snooty"?? Excuse me? We have lost 18 straight playoff games so what is he even talking about trying to pump up this mediocre bunch? Sure anything can happen. The first real season I followed was 1973 and I actually attended some Met games that year. Dad took me and brother down to see them, two hours plus in that old Galaxie 500. This is NOT the 1987 Twins. That team needed to get past the Tigers. That was it. Now it must go through a few layers of far superior teams. If Souhan wanted to earn his money and do his job he would be relentlessly pressing the Twins on this ridiculous Buxton situation. What PRECISELY is wrong with his knee? That is the job of the press. You get answers for the fans, not rip them

Twins bullpen; 13th in save opportunities, 1st in blown saves, 21st in saves. That they are lower in GR isn't surprising, since Rocco often uses relievers for 2 innings.

Agree 100% on the Souhan article.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Rocco is not taking a fall. THE biggest reason for his hiring was his devotion to analytics. Falvine isn't managing through Rocco. Rockhead is exactly the manager they thought he was.

If you have been following this forum, you know that Falvine's incompetence on every level has been thoroughly documented and chronicled here. Everything from their miserable scouting, to their putrid drafting, lousy player development, not knowing who to sign and who to let go, weak track record on trades, wretched coaching hires....it's all been hashed and rehashed in here.