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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:47:26 PM)

My bad, Jesus Boy has 4 picks and 7 fumbles. Lost four, although in the link FL and FR only add up to six. And NFL.com credits him with three fumbles. So, not sure on the total but it is significant.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00/gamelog/2023/

With that, kinda thinking there won't be so much ballyhoo over turnovers by any KFC lover.

Edit - ah, a one-star post... the truth hurts!



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 5:02:08 PM)

Cousins fumbles in his five seasons in Minny:

7, 10, 9, 12, 7

In six games this year: 7.

Like Elvin Hayes once said, when you get old the first thing to go is your hands.

As an aside, when Bobby Dandridge was questioned about practice he said I'm an artist not a housepainter.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 5:04:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Cousins fumbles in his five seasons in Minny:

7, 10, 9, 12, 7

In six games this year: 7.

Like Elvin Hayes once said, when you get old the first thing to go is your hands.

As an aside, when Bobby Dandridge was questioned about practice he said I'm an artist not a housepainter.


He definitely looks older this year.

Less zip on his passes, less accuracy. Balls getting there late, or sailing on him. Plus, while he never had much foot speed, he was still a threat to break a few decent surprise runs each year. This year he looks like he's in cement shoes.



Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 5:33:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Cousins fumbles in his five seasons in Minny:

7, 10, 9, 12, 7

In six games this year: 7.

Like Elvin Hayes once said, when you get old the first thing to go is your hands.

As an aside, when Bobby Dandridge was questioned about practice he said I'm an artist not a housepainter.


He definitely looks older this year.

Less zip on his passes, less accuracy. Balls getting there late, or sailing on him. Plus, while he never had much foot speed, he was still a threat to break a few decent surprise runs each year. This year he looks like he's in cement shoes.

Not that I would know on a personal level but ‘balls getting there late’ is one of the sure indicators of going from ‘older’ to just plain ‘old’.



Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 6:50:59 PM)

To be clear, it wasn't me giving you the 1 stars. So someone else must think it's pretty low that you make fun of people who choose to follow Jesus in whatever way they do.

What do get out of making fun of people? This isn't making fun of Cousins it's making fun of anyone who is a Christian. Pretty fu(kin' weak, Bill and Dan.



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 7:39:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

To be clear, it wasn't me giving you the 1 stars. So someone else must think it's pretty low that you make fun of people who choose to follow Jesus in whatever way they do.

What do get out of making fun of people? This isn't making fun of Cousins it's making fun of anyone who is a Christian. Pretty fu(kin' weak, Bill and Dan.



I know, you take exception to and comment on various posts, but it's never you. Doesn't matter.


Anyway, it's ok for YOU - just yesterday mind you - to initiate things by calling him Jesus Boy. Literally the same name I used. But now you are on your high horse lecturing?

Your use of the name Jesus Boy then follow-up lecture conjures up the Seinfeld episode where the dentist Watley converted to Judaism and starting telling jokes about Jews. When confronted, he's like "My people suffered for 5,000 years...". Seinfeld is like what, your people? You just converted yesterday!

Talk about weak, that is the epitome of weak. Oh, "fu(kin' weak" as you say. I see you've learned how to closely recreate the F word. Comes in handy I guess. Nice job on that.



marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 9:07:53 PM)

Caleb Williams listed Minnesota as one of the teams he would be willing to play for.

By Kwesi's trading with Detroit and Green Bay, Chicago might think it could also get the best of Kwesi.

As long as Fields shows progress, Chicago may be willing to trade their pick, even within the division.

IF Williams has another bad day like he had against Notre Dame, that may cast enough doubt where Chicago is willing to trade their pick.

And Minnesota could still end up getting the 2nd or 3rd overall pick, so Chicago would only move down a few spots. If Minnesota has the 2nd pick, Chicago could trade down twice.



Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 9:11:35 PM)

No sane person takes Fields over Williams.



Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 9:22:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

For me, it's just evaluating the players we have. See how they perform during the season to determine who to keep. I thought Wonnum had one of the best games I've seen him play. So, there's some development there.

Wonnum has picked it up.

Pace, Evans, Mettulus, Blackmon all showing that they probably have some upside.

I wish Nailor was healthy with JJ out. See what he could do.

I read an article that said Mattison only had broken one tackle all season. Doesn't sound right but I do believe we need to go 50-50 between him and Akers.



eagleflorida -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 7:48:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Nate

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

First, Tolstoy barks out his latest version of War and Peace that often takes 10 seconds.
Then KFC has to re-vomit it and they have to get to the LOS.
Then they need at least a ten second pad for KFC to go through his initial gyrations, have a guard look back and reset (sometimes twice!), then KFC to finish with the same dual set of fake hand gestures.
Then the C seems to be on his own passive-aggressive schedule thinking I'll hike the ball when I damn please.



LOL, that's the other benefit of a wrist band, they can tell him to run play #28 with w/e variant the current personnel dictates, rather than describe each players duty in a monologue worthy of a self-help seminar. The other pre-snap stuff is just as infuriating, like watching Sergio Garcia twitch for 5min before hitting the ball.


I think KOC has about a 100 plays on his double-sided laminated sheet. Now, even though he only calls out 20 of them it would still require multiple players to know 100 things versus something simple for the WR like "S X-ray double burn slow ouch" which means "stand at the LOS for a zero yard pass and be prepared to get the snot knocked out of you".


Well done Bill [&:]



marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 8:41:47 AM)

No sane person takes Fields over Williams.

Chicago could have the 1st pick in the draft 2 years in a row, with their own pick, so they might not exactly know what they're doing.

There have been plenty of insane GMs, and many of them have passed over talented QBs over the years.

IF Williams has any more games like last week, Chicago might be eager to trade him to Minnesota, thinking he's likely to be a bust.



Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 9:32:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

No sane person takes Fields over Williams.

Chicago could have the 1st pick in the draft 2 years in a row, with their own pick, so they might not exactly know what they're doing.

There have been plenty of insane GMs, and many of them have passed over talented QBs over the years.

IF Williams has any more games like last week, Chicago might be eager to trade him to Minnesota, thinking he's likely to be a bust.

Your Williams obsession is turning dark.

Right now, its just hoping your team fails and Williams plays bad … pretty soon you’ll be fantasizing about a new pandemic or maybe nuclear holocaust to influence the Bears decision.



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 10:28:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

No sane person takes Fields over Williams.

Chicago could have the 1st pick in the draft 2 years in a row, with their own pick, so they might not exactly know what they're doing.

There have been plenty of insane GMs, and many of them have passed over talented QBs over the years.

IF Williams has any more games like last week, Chicago might be eager to trade him to Minnesota, thinking he's likely to be a bust.

Your Williams obsession is turning dark.

Right now, its just hoping your team fails and Williams plays bad … pretty soon you’ll be fantasizing about a new pandemic or maybe nuclear holocaust to influence the Bears decision.


LOL!

And it's like he is arguing against himself. He essentially wants Caleb to be truly bad so that Chi passes and other GMs don't get into a bidding war for crappy Caleb, whereby we swoop in and he miraculously transforms back into great Caleb.



marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 10:41:51 AM)

I prefer Caleb, but I mostly just want to move on from Cousins, hopefully with a 1st round QB that is believed to be a franchise QB.

I had some hopes for Hall, it was promising what we heard from early camp, but he proceeded to disappoint in the pre-season games. Still have hope, but not a very good start.



marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 10:44:37 AM)

Yes, If Caleb goes back to playing insanely well, there is very little chance the Vikings get him.

But with just the right amount of Fields playing well, and Caleb having a few off days, the Vikings can draft Caleb.



Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 11:04:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

Yes, If Caleb goes back to playing insanely well, there is very little chance the Vikings get him.

But with just the right amount of Fields playing well, and Caleb having a few off days, the Vikings can draft Caleb.

Right! Short of a death certificate ... we're all in!



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:00:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: marty

No sane person takes Fields over Williams.

Chicago could have the 1st pick in the draft 2 years in a row, with their own pick, so they might not exactly know what they're doing.

There have been plenty of insane GMs, and many of them have passed over talented QBs over the years.

IF Williams has any more games like last week, Chicago might be eager to trade him to Minnesota, thinking he's likely to be a bust.

Your Williams obsession is turning dark.

Right now, its just hoping your team fails and Williams plays bad … pretty soon you’ll be fantasizing about a new pandemic or maybe nuclear holocaust to influence the Bears decision.


If Marty could have a roster of 5 qbs and 8 WRs he would.



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:02:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
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ORIGINAL: marty
Yes, If Caleb goes back to playing insanely well, there is very little chance the Vikings get him.
But with just the right amount of Fields playing well, and Caleb having a few off days, the Vikings can draft Caleb.

Right! Short of a death certificate ... we're all in!


I thought the same of Lawrence, Wilson and Fields....now look at them.
Anyone that says Mahomes in the next reply shall have to repeat or write it on a chalkboard 50 times "11 teams passed on him" and "Andy Reid sat him a year" before they say anything else.

There are a ton of QBs available next year....no reason to get too attached.....draft one in the 1st and one in the 4th.



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David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:08:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
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ORIGINAL: marty
Yes, If Caleb goes back to playing insanely well, there is very little chance the Vikings get him.
But with just the right amount of Fields playing well, and Caleb having a few off days, the Vikings can draft Caleb.

Right! Short of a death certificate ... we're all in!


I thought the same of Lawrence, Wilson and Fields....now look at them.
Anyone that says Mahomes in the next reply shall have to repeat or write it on a chalkboard 50 times "11 teams passed on him" and "Andy Reid sat him a year" before they say anything else.

There are a ton of QBs available next year....no reason to get too attached.....draft one in the 1st and one in the 4th.



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Lawrence is panning out. The year with that dimwit college coach set him back but he's on a good path now.



Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:14:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

To be clear, it wasn't me giving you the 1 stars. So someone else must think it's pretty low that you make fun of people who choose to follow Jesus in whatever way they do.

What do get out of making fun of people? This isn't making fun of Cousins it's making fun of anyone who is a Christian. Pretty fu(kin' weak, Bill and Dan.

No.

IMO the whole 'Jesus Boy' thing comes across as a reaction to public displays of religion and nothing to do with making fun of Christianity.

I take great issue with anybody pushing their version of faith in my face ... which is how most sports figures come across to me when they go overboard after scoring a TD, making a special teams tackle, etc. Sports doesn't register ... at all ... in the importance of things and these displays come across as contrived. Maybe they aren't ... its just not the place for it.

I have a feeling that Cousins is authentic and real when it comes to his faith.

Talking publicly about his one year contract negotiation making it on God's punch list? That's weak sauce and closer to zaniness than zealousness.

and an invitation to mockery.



Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:14:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
quote:

ORIGINAL: marty
Yes, If Caleb goes back to playing insanely well, there is very little chance the Vikings get him.
But with just the right amount of Fields playing well, and Caleb having a few off days, the Vikings can draft Caleb.

Right! Short of a death certificate ... we're all in!

I thought the same of Lawrence, Wilson and Fields....now look at them.
Anyone that says Mahomes in the next reply shall have to repeat or write it on a chalkboard 50 times "11 teams passed on him" and "Andy Reid sat him a year" before they say anything else.
There are a ton of QBs available next year....no reason to get too attached.....draft one in the 1st and one in the 4th.
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Lawrence is panning out. The year with that dimwit college coach set him back but he's on a good path now.


If you look at all the hype of those that year; Hurts is still the best of the bunch....2nd round pick. Rule again is don't attach youself to the shiniest college qb....it has wrecked Chicago (Trubisky then Fields) and others. Seen more teams that give up a ton outside of SF get hurt bad.

If you need one draft two.



marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:22:52 PM)

That is attaching yourself too much to recent history.

To me, if the top prospect has been all misses a whole bunch in a row, the better the chances this one will be a hit.

But since I view Lawrence as a hit, that slightly reduces the chances Williams will be a hit. I just like what I have seen with the variety of throws Williams has been shown to make. I would take my chances on him.



Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:34:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

That is attaching yourself too much to recent history.

To me, if the top prospect has been all misses a whole bunch in a row, the better the chances this one will be a hit.

But since I view Lawrence as a hit, that slightly reduces the chances Williams will be a hit. I just like what I have seen with the variety of throws Williams has been shown to make. I would take my chances on him.


IOW, how well Caleb pans out is a function of how you viewed Lawrence. Makes perfect sense.



ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:52:56 PM)

Mahomes and Stafford are the only active QB's to win a Super Bowl while taking up a big chunk of the cap.

Hurts and Herbert didn't get it done when they were not a big chunk of the cap, it isn't going to get any easier for them going forward.



David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2023 12:58:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

That is attaching yourself too much to recent history.

To me, if the top prospect has been all misses a whole bunch in a row, the better the chances this one will be a hit.

But since I view Lawrence as a hit, that slightly reduces the chances Williams will be a hit. I just like what I have seen with the variety of throws Williams has been shown to make. I would take my chances on him.


Do you also believe that if you flip a coin 10 times and its heads every time, the 11th flip has a better chance of being tails?



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