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Mark C. Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 2:24:41 PM)
Lack of concentration and focus. Slow starts to each game. Is it a coaching thing with the drops and fumbles?

Mark C. Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 2:28:32 PM)
For me, it's just evaluating the players we have. See how they perform during the season to determine who to keep. I thought Wonnum had one of the best games I've seen him play. So, there's some development there.

Mark C. Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 2:30:43 PM)
Fields? No way. Don't want him. He's not accurate at all and that's a cardinal sin in the NFL. In my opinion, accuracy can not be taught. You either can place the ball where you want to or you can not. He can't.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 2:37:58 PM)
I'm also starting to come around on the "re-up" Hunter idea that's been floated around. He's been great this year and we have no other options. You aren't getting 2 DE's, extensions to Darrisaw and JJ and figure out the QB situation in 1 window.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 2:47:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson This isn't a playoff caliber team. Not sure we have much any other team would trade for outside of Hunter or Jefferson. They will not trade Jefferson during the season and most likely not after it. I don't think any other team wants Cousins. I think he'd really struggle if he had to go to a new situation mid-season...he seems like a guy who likes to stay in his daily routine...not a guy that can handle sudden change. The two OTs are the only other players I can think of that are worth something, but I don't want to see them get traded.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 3:27:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson This isn't a playoff caliber team. Not sure we have much any other team would trade for outside of Hunter or Jefferson. They will not trade Jefferson during the season and most likely not after it. I don't think any other team wants Cousins. I think he'd really struggle if he had to go to a new situation mid-season...he seems like a guy who likes to stay in his daily routine...not a guy that can handle sudden change. The two OTs are the only other players I can think of that are worth something, but I don't want to see them get traded. Rumor mill has KJ, Hunter, and Smith to a lesser extent of interest Hicks and Cleveland. Hunter is the only one probably getting us a higher pick, Cleveland has sneaky value if teams think he can play tackle.

Nate -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:01:42 PM)
At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be!

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:05:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him.

Nate -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:14:55 PM)
With Kirk being such a planning type and memorizer, I'm amazed they don't employ a play call wrist band that many QBs have. It's loaded with plays for various down and distances and each play can be called with any number of variants or looks. That would be a visual aid to narrow down the list of viable plays KFC has to think about and maybe it would facilitate a better dialog with KOC rather than Kirk having to cover his earholes and listen to the 20 sentence play call coming in from the sideline after w/e process KOC uses to choose a play.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:19:04 PM)
Maybe just upgrade to some decent earbuds Noise shoul not be an issue?

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:19:51 PM)
First, Tolstoy barks out his latest version of War and Peace that often takes 10 seconds. Then KFC has to re-vomit it and they have to get to the LOS. Then they need at least a ten second pad for KFC to go through his initial gyrations, have a guard look back and reset (sometimes twice!), then KFC to finish with the same dual set of fake hand gestures. Then the C seems to be on his own passive-aggressive schedule thinking I'll hike the ball when I damn please.

Nate -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:20:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him. That's fair, and since he's a second year coach it's a lot to handle learning the HC ropes and improving upon OC skills. I'm sure he'll improve as time goes by like many coordinator to HC promos do but it remains to be seen if he can do both, if he's even a good OC to begin with and if he can develop a QB. He's young, which would potentially mesh well with a new young QB, and is a positive influence on people at least.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:23:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nate With Kirk being such a planning type and memorizer, I'm amazed they don't employ a play call wrist band that many QBs have. It's loaded with plays for various down and distances and each play can be called with any number of variants or looks. That would be a visual aid to narrow down the list of viable plays KFC has to think about and maybe it would facilitate a better dialog with KOC rather than Kirk having to cover his earholes and listen to the 20 sentence play call coming in from the sideline after w/e process KOC uses to choose a play. Ah, but KFC is not a visual learner. He vocalizes plays to learn. This has been covered recently, lol. I think his world as we know it would cease to exist, aka George Costanza. But have thought the same thing many times.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:24:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him. Or maybe a couple games where turnovers and dropped passes didn't play a role

Nate -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:26:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen First, Tolstoy barks out his latest version of War and Peace that often takes 10 seconds. Then KFC has to re-vomit it and they have to get to the LOS. Then they need at least a ten second pad for KFC to go through his initial gyrations, have a guard look back and reset (sometimes twice!), then KFC to finish with the same dual set of fake hand gestures. Then the C seems to be on his own passive-aggressive schedule thinking I'll hike the ball when I damn please. LOL, that's the other benefit of a wrist band, they can tell him to run play #28 with w/e variant the current personnel dictates, rather than describe each players duty in a monologue worthy of a self-help seminar. The other pre-snap stuff is just as infuriating, like watching Sergio Garcia twitch for 5min before hitting the ball.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:26:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him. Or maybe a couple games where turnovers and dropped passes didn't play a role Hasn't mattered for 12 years including when KFC had Diggs and Thielen who caught any dang ball within 10 feet, why now?

Nate -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:27:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Nate With Kirk being such a planning type and memorizer, I'm amazed they don't employ a play call wrist band that many QBs have. It's loaded with plays for various down and distances and each play can be called with any number of variants or looks. That would be a visual aid to narrow down the list of viable plays KFC has to think about and maybe it would facilitate a better dialog with KOC rather than Kirk having to cover his earholes and listen to the 20 sentence play call coming in from the sideline after w/e process KOC uses to choose a play. Ah, but KFC is not a visual learner. He vocalizes plays to learn. This has been covered recently, lol. I think his world as we know it would cease to exist, aka George Costanza. But have thought the same thing many times. ah, true, I guess I remember his audio learner style being mentioned. Dang, I guess that explains the pre-snap confusion reading the defense and telling the OL where to block....

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:28:07 PM)
Check out the blocking of the C & RG https://x.com/eric_j_thompson/status/1714377811345936760?s=20

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:32:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him. Or maybe a couple games where turnovers and dropped passes didn't play a role Hasn't mattered for 12 years including when KFC had Diggs and Thielen who caught any dang ball within 10 feet, why now? Three active QBs that have won a SB, why not now? Seems like as good as time as any to have a few more wins

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:33:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nate quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen First, Tolstoy barks out his latest version of War and Peace that often takes 10 seconds. Then KFC has to re-vomit it and they have to get to the LOS. Then they need at least a ten second pad for KFC to go through his initial gyrations, have a guard look back and reset (sometimes twice!), then KFC to finish with the same dual set of fake hand gestures. Then the C seems to be on his own passive-aggressive schedule thinking I'll hike the ball when I damn please. LOL, that's the other benefit of a wrist band, they can tell him to run play #28 with w/e variant the current personnel dictates, rather than describe each players duty in a monologue worthy of a self-help seminar. The other pre-snap stuff is just as infuriating, like watching Sergio Garcia twitch for 5min before hitting the ball. I think KOC has about a 100 plays on his double-sided laminated sheet. Now, even though he only calls out 20 of them it would still require multiple players to know 100 things versus something simple for the WR like "S X-ray double burn slow ouch" which means "stand at the LOS for a zero yard pass and be prepared to get the snot knocked out of you".

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:34:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him. Or maybe a couple games where turnovers and dropped passes didn't play a role Hasn't mattered for 12 years including when KFC had Diggs and Thielen who caught any dang ball within 10 feet, why now? Three active QBs that have won a SB, why not now? Seems like as good as time as any to have a few more wins Tell that to the team.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:34:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him. Or maybe a couple games where turnovers and dropped passes didn't play a role Hasn't mattered for 12 years including when KFC had Diggs and Thielen who caught any dang ball within 10 feet, why now? Some QBs don't peak until they're pushing 40...

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:35:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him. Or maybe a couple games where turnovers and dropped passes didn't play a role Hasn't mattered for 12 years including when KFC had Diggs and Thielen who caught any dang ball within 10 feet, why now? Three active QBs that have won a SB, why not now? Seems like as good as time as any to have a few more wins How many active QBs have more than 1 Playoff win the past dozen years?

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:37:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Nate At least on the offensive side, I, like many here, think KOC should give up the OC duties at a minimum. The offense stalls way to much, has too many rushed plays or TOs attributed to the play clock running down, which all points to lack of planning/preparation. We could argue that it's new personnel and still a relatively new offense but they need to be much crisper in execution and being able to handle adversity or adjustments. Watching some of the top teams, even in losing they were much crisper in getting to the line, making shifts/audibles and had more situational awareness (knowing when to spike the ball, getting to the line quickly to try to draw the defense offsides on 4th and short, getting to the line quickly if there's a challengeable play to force the other team to quickly decide whether to gamble on a challenge, hot routes on obvious blitzes, attacking a new player that's in for someone just injured, etc). There's just so much rote roboticism in the offense, some is due to KFC's style, but I don't see KOC being more efficient or innovative, or even as aware of the situation as a former QB should be! In fairness to Kevin O'Connell, I'd like to see him have a shot with a different QB before casting a significant portion of the blame on him. Or maybe a couple games where turnovers and dropped passes didn't play a role Hasn't mattered for 12 years including when KFC had Diggs and Thielen who caught any dang ball within 10 feet, why now? Three active QBs that have won a SB, why not now? Seems like as good as time as any to have a few more wins Tell that to the team. Ok. I'll get on it.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/17/2023 4:38:13 PM)
Not to mention Jesus Boy already has 4 picks and 3 fumbles.

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