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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 8:53:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . last season, over the first three quarters, the bills and eagles led the league with a +150 point differential... he vikings were 3rd worst at -87.... How did vikes do in the fourth quarter? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_single_season.htm Interesting that 3 of the top 4 performers/teams (vikes, raiders, lions) lost in their first playoff game that year. Again … playoffs are a different season. Digging yourself out of holes for a living has good entertainment value but won’t get you very far when it really counts.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 9:15:03 AM)
nfl.com is reporting that Cook is being let go Friday.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 9:36:58 AM)
Kwesi has done ok this year with finally getting rid of bloated contracts, although right now Cousins' $28.5 million dead cap and Harrison Smith's $19 million cap hit stand out in 2024. Also not a fan of how over half of Davenport's salary is stashed in void year. All in all, he got rid of most of the likely suspects.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 9:49:17 AM)
Shocked anybody would even consider a trade for Cook. It’s a disposable position. I give the position zero value. Find me a guy willing to run through a brick wall because his career depends on it. Run him into ground and move on. Never ever pay a runningback big money. Never. It’s fools gold.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 9:53:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes nfl.com is reporting that Cook is being let go Friday. Why wait until Friday?

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 10:17:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes nfl.com is reporting that Cook is being let go Friday. Why wait until Friday? Its like the cheese with licorice meat sticks hanging by the cash register … one last chance to suck in impulse shoppers.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 11:01:20 AM)
I think Cook will be missed more than some think. He was a home run threat that could catch the ball. I hope the young guys are ready.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 11:11:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty I think Cook will be missed more than some think. He was a home run threat that could catch the ball. I hope the young guys are ready. Some said the same about AP and we didn't miss a beat with Cook....rather be on the right side of it than over-paying a RB. It is more of a passing offense; changing trend since 2007.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 11:13:34 AM)
Cook's $14M cap hit will not be missed.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 11:13:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty I think Cook will be missed more than some think. He was a home run threat that could catch the ball. I hope the young guys are ready. Please don't chew while you're posting. It's not polite.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 12:24:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty I think Cook will be missed more than some think. He was a home run threat that could catch the ball. I hope the young guys are ready. What are you going to miss? His diminishing ypc? His high pay? Face it he's on the wrong side of his career. Running back is a brutal position that you should never overpay for. Time to find some young guys.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 1:16:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty I think Cook will be missed more than some think. He was a home run threat that could catch the ball. I hope the young guys are ready. I've watched the last quarter+ of the bill's game several times recently, and cook looked great in that comeback...but it's time to let him go....

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 1:51:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . last season, over the first three quarters, the bills and eagles led the league with a +150 point differential... he vikings were 3rd worst at -87.... How did vikes do in the fourth quarter? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_single_season.htm Interesting that 3 of the top 4 performers/teams (vikes, raiders, lions) lost in their first playoff game that year. Again … playoffs are a different season. Digging yourself out of holes for a living has good entertainment value but won’t get you very far when it really counts. Credit where credit is due: our defense ranked #10 in points allowed in the fourth quarter.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 2:24:05 PM)
Vikes need to pay Hunter. Edge is a premium position and our defense simply can't be w/o at least one good one. People forget the lean years before we traded for Jared Allen. We couldn't even get a wiff of a qb prior to that for years.

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 2:51:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: marty I think Cook will be missed more than some think. He was a home run threat that could catch the ball. I hope the young guys are ready. What are you going to miss? His diminishing ypc? His high pay? Face it he's on the wrong side of his career. Running back is a brutal position that you should never overpay for. Time to find some young guys. I absolutely think it's the right move to let him go. I hate investing in RB second contracts. But his big runs made a huge impact in Buffalo/Miami/Indy games last year... pretty sure we don't win those with Mattison. We'll see...

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 2:52:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Vikes need to pay Hunter. Edge is a premium position and our defense simply can't be w/o at least one good one. People forget the lean years before we traded for Jared Allen. We couldn't even get a wiff of a qb prior to that for years. - DE is a premium position, but he doesn't play DE. - He is playing out of position (through no fault of his own). - People may look at his salary by year, but it won't show an additional $11+ million buried in void years in 2024 & 2025 that he has collected. - He was paid while he was injured. As long as he is playing OLB in the 3-4, he is not worth premium dollars. I'd rather see him traded for a proven player or picks. And the year before we signed Allen we were 8th in sacks.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 3:36:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Vikes need to pay Hunter. Edge is a premium position and our defense simply can't be w/o at least one good one. People forget the lean years before we traded for Jared Allen. We couldn't even get a wiff of a qb prior to that for years. - DE is a premium position, but he doesn't play DE. - He is playing out of position (through no fault of his own). - People may look at his salary by year, but it won't show an additional $11+ million buried in void years in 2024 & 2025 that he has collected. - He was paid while he was injured. As long as he is playing OLB in the 3-4, he is not worth premium dollars. I'd rather see him traded for a proven player or picks. And the year before we signed Allen we were 8th in sacks. =I think in todays NFL DE/Edge are valued equally. -The 11ml buried was the team kicking it down the road no fault of Hunter's. -All players get paid if they get injured. -He was a top ten player at his position last season at OLB.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 3:50:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Vikes need to pay Hunter. Edge is a premium position and our defense simply can't be w/o at least one good one. People forget the lean years before we traded for Jared Allen. We couldn't even get a wiff of a qb prior to that for years. Our new DC is big on pressure by moving guys around, blitzing, and zone blitzing. Zimmer 4-3 was built for Hunter.....a trade wouldn't surprise me.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 4:01:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Vikes need to pay Hunter. Edge is a premium position and our defense simply can't be w/o at least one good one. People forget the lean years before we traded for Jared Allen. We couldn't even get a wiff of a qb prior to that for years. Our new DC is big on pressure by moving guys around, blitzing, and zone blitzing. Zimmer 4-3 was built for Hunter.....a trade wouldn't surprise me. I'm just going on the record saying it's a bad idea. Losing both Z and Hunter will cripple our pass rush. I don't care what Flores does you still need guys that can get home. If Hunter is traded we will have lost our 3 best players on our front 7 and add in the loss of EK too. On a 31st ranked defense. Flores is going to need to be able to walk on water to make this talentless bunch of rag tags look even serviceable.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 4:03:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Vikes need to pay Hunter. Edge is a premium position and our defense simply can't be w/o at least one good one. People forget the lean years before we traded for Jared Allen. We couldn't even get a wiff of a qb prior to that for years. Our new DC is big on pressure by moving guys around, blitzing, and zone blitzing. Zimmer 4-3 was built for Hunter.....a trade wouldn't surprise me. I'm just going on the record saying it's a bad idea. Losing both Z and Hunter will cripple our pass rush. I don't care what Flores does you still need guys that can get home. If Hunter is traded we will have lost our 3 best players on our front 7 and add in the loss of EK too. Flores is going to need to be able to walk on water to make this talentless bunch of rag tags look even serviceable. When they are the top 3 of a 30th ranked defense and Dalvin (Thomlinson) was out over half the year, Hunter wasn't the same in a 3-4 defense, and the ZED wasn't the same the second half.... Flores runs a 3-4 mostly and as mentioned by others it isn't Hunter's strong suit.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 4:04:17 PM)
Same age as Dalvin; Zeke Elliot and Kareem Hunt. Both available.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 4:55:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Vikes need to pay Hunter. Edge is a premium position and our defense simply can't be w/o at least one good one. People forget the lean years before we traded for Jared Allen. We couldn't even get a wiff of a qb prior to that for years. - DE is a premium position, but he doesn't play DE. - He is playing out of position (through no fault of his own). - People may look at his salary by year, but it won't show an additional $11+ million buried in void years in 2024 & 2025 that he has collected. - He was paid while he was injured. As long as he is playing OLB in the 3-4, he is not worth premium dollars. I'd rather see him traded for a proven player or picks. And the year before we signed Allen we were 8th in sacks. =I think in todays NFL DE/Edge are valued equally. Guess my point is Hunter at DE > Hunter at Edge and in coverage. -The 11ml buried was the team kicking it down the road no fault of Hunter's. Never said it was. Just saying his salary may look lower than it is. -All players get paid if they get injured. -He was a top ten player at his position last season at OLB. Based on what? Edge players cover, he sucks at it (again, not his fault). Pay the 2018 pre-prime Hunter big bucks? Absolutely. While he signed the extension, a case can be made the Vikings took advantage of that although he suffered two major injuries, and with the neck they may have been/are cautious. Pay the 2023 in/post-prime Hunter the same big bucks? Nope. I'd rather have a proven player or pick(s) than sign a soon to be 29 year old former pure DE playing out of position with a fused neck. We need assets to rebuild, not to give a good % to a player who will be playing out the string while we rebuild.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 5:00:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Same age as Dalvin; Zeke Elliot and Kareem Hunt. Both available. Mattison will be our starting RB.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 5:04:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Same age as Dalvin; Zeke Elliot and Kareem Hunt. Both available. Mattison will be our starting RB. True; Neither are starters any more---pay as a backup a little over minimum. Mattison and Ty have injury history. Zeke had 12 Red Zone TDs last year and was very good in short yardage---just another way to show other teams choose to release a soon to be 28 year old.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/8/2023 5:18:00 PM)
Part of any argument for keeping good players is whether we can really compete (ignoring 44% of the league makes the playoffs). I surmise we are rebuilding, regardless of the idiotic 'competitive rebuild' mantra, mostly on defense. There are hopes in the secondary. But I see trash and journeymen in the front seven. It will take a couple of years for an influx of productive bodies - assuming they pan out which a large sample of NFL history suggests will not happen. By then Hunter will be a drag on the cap... unless he signs another questionable, team friendly contract.

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