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Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 10:25:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The one thing lacking in Jeffersons resume thus far is TD catches. Moss 43 JJ 25 after 3 years


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jefferson is a great receiver, moss was a game-changer....


If this was a QB discussion the invariable question would be, "How many SBs has he won? "

Randy Moss played in just one...and thanks to helmet catch the Patriots lost.

JJ has yet to reach that.

So right now the answer to both is Zero




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 1:02:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The one thing lacking in Jeffersons resume thus far is TD catches. Moss 43 JJ 25 after 3 years


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jefferson is a great receiver, moss was a game-changer....


If this was a QB discussion the invariable question would be, "How many SBs has he won? "

Randy Moss played in just one...and thanks to helmet catch the Patriots lost.

JJ has yet to reach that.

So right now the answer to both is Zero

A catch is catch.
Too bad he didnt do more to change the game




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 1:35:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 1:38:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The one thing lacking in Jeffersons resume thus far is TD catches. Moss 43 JJ 25 after 3 years


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jefferson is a great receiver, moss was a game-changer....

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David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 1:42:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.


The bolded/enlarged is you.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 5:45:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The one thing lacking in Jeffersons resume thus far is TD catches. Moss 43 JJ 25 after 3 years


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jefferson is a great receiver, moss was a game-changer....


If this was a QB discussion the invariable question would be, "How many SBs has he won? "


Yes because QB is the most important position on the field. The QB alone has the most influence on success or failure.

But this is not a QB discussion.

For Minnesota, that question invariably defaults to "How many playoff games has he won?" For some, one playoff win in 11 seasons is just fine for a QB.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 6:22:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.


The bolded/enlarged is you.

I think we have a great shot at advancing in the playoffs. That's what I'm about. Winning a Super Bowl. Kirk is our best chance to do that.




marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 11:54:00 PM)

Trek

Moss played in TWO Super Bowls, one with the Patriots, and one with SF.




marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2023 11:55:42 PM)

I think if everything falls in place, Kirk could win a Super Bowl in one of the next 2 years.

Then again, it's also possible the team doesn't make the playoffs this season.




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2023 11:53:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.


The bolded/enlarged is you.

For some reason i can't totally identify, ive always had a prob with, "I fixed it for you."




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2023 12:31:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.


The bolded/enlarged is you.

For some reason i can't totally identify, ive always had a prob with, "I fixed it for you."


I'm with you, Its arrogant and condescending.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/9/2023 5:41:40 PM)

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what about bringing in teddy bridgewater as QB #2, and possibly bridge qb for 2024?




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/9/2023 6:13:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.


The bolded/enlarged is you.

For some reason i can't totally identify, ive always had a prob with, "I fixed it for you."

It was just a joke. No harm intended. It also pointed out the difference between DF thinking Kirk is the problem and me thinking he's at least part of the solution.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/9/2023 6:14:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.


The bolded/enlarged is you.

For some reason i can't totally identify, ive always had a prob with, "I fixed it for you."


I'm with you, Its arrogant and condescending.

DL if anyone should know arrogant and condescending it's you. You have so much experience with that. Or it could just be a joke. Isn't it a bit arrogant and condescending of you to think you're omniscient and know the intent of my post?




Pauldiercks1 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 9:59:44 AM)

I've never Found David to be condescending but he will call people out if they are in error. I have no issue with that and respect his knowledge of sports as I do many of you.

That being said, I do disagree that Cousins can win a Superbowl. Too many things need to go right and at his salary and ability that's very very unlikely.

I'd rather lose this year and take my chances with a top young QB that does not destroy the cap. unfortunately the team and owners don't seem to see the value of losing.
After 50 years I could care less about making the playoffs it's nothing more than a yawn. I know fans can't see this but how many years have we been in the playoffs with basically no shot of winning the SB. Way too many. We often have gotten in as a bad team courtesy. Last years was a great example. 13 wins but realistically we were a poor team with no chance to beat the good teams. We got pounded by a bad Giants team that basically didn't belong either.




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 4:27:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.


The bolded/enlarged is you.

For some reason i can't totally identify, ive always had a prob with, "I fixed it for you."


I'm with you, Its arrogant and condescending.

DL if anyone should know arrogant and condescending it's you. You have so much experience with that. Or it could just be a joke. Isn't it a bit arrogant and condescending of you to think you're omniscient and know the intent of my post?

DL's comment was spot on. I've been guilty of it too but you're the one waving your dumbass banner around bringing attention to it.

If you have an emoticon (in your vast repertoire of three) for drinking one's medicine quietly and then moping off, this would be the perfect time.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 4:34:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Jefferson's contract status is more complex than it appears on the surface. He's clearly one of the best, and maybe the very best WR in the NFL right now. He deserves a huge contract and will be a huge asset to the team that has him. Do the Vikings know how to build a championship roster around him or will they be content to watch 60,000+ fans fill up the stadium week after week feeling great about some awesome WR stats and gloss over that we don't go anywhere in the playoffs? We saw it happen with Adrian Peterson. Fans got boners for the rushing record and happily threw their money at the Wilfs and we got a shiny new stadium. I'm undecided to say the least. I want Jefferson, but only if Jefferson isn't considered the 'mission accomplished' moment for the franchise right now. If we have no plans of taking a shot on finding a franchise QB in the draft then I'd rather trade Jefferson to get the ammo needed to draft the QB we feel we can take a shot on. Best case scenario would be signing Jefferson and then finding a way to move up in the draft for a QB. Second best scenario is trading Jefferson and then drafting QB. Best scenario is signing Jefferson and then extending Kirk for three seasons.

I fixed it for you.


The bolded/enlarged is you.

For some reason i can't totally identify, ive always had a prob with, "I fixed it for you."


I'm with you, Its arrogant and condescending.

DL if anyone should know arrogant and condescending it's you. You have so much experience with that. Or it could just be a joke. Isn't it a bit arrogant and condescending of you to think you're omniscient and know the intent of my post?

DL's comment was spot on. I've been guilty of it too but you're the one waving your dumbass banner around bringing attention to it.

If you have an emoticon (in your vast repertoire of three) for drinking one's medicine quietly and then moping off, this would be the perfect time.


Exactly.

I have no problem with people disagreeing, or thinking other people are wrong - or actively arguing/debating. But to actually change the words of another poster is the height of arrogance. That's not arguing, that's an attempt to invalidate another's opinion. You're literally stickering over what someone else thinks with your own opinion. Its not funny. And it runs the risk of misrepresenting other posters to people that aren't following along closely.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 5:49:01 PM)

Why are you guys surprised that a poster who believes lies, would create lies to fit his agenda?

Jesus told him it was ok to redefine the intent of someone else’s words, to fit his world view, and force it like a penis, down your throat and claim it was just “ being straight and honest “….

Worthless ****.




Murph -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 7:12:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

I've never Found David to be condescending but he will call people out if they are in error. I have no issue with that and respect his knowledge of sports as I do many of you.

That being said, I do disagree that Cousins can win a Superbowl. Too many things need to go right and at his salary and ability that's very very unlikely.

I'd rather lose this year and take my chances with a top young QB that does not destroy the cap. unfortunately the team and owners don't seem to see the value of losing.
After 50 years I could care less about making the playoffs it's nothing more than a yawn. I know fans can't see this but how many years have we been in the playoffs with basically no shot of winning the SB. Way too many. We often have gotten in as a bad team courtesy. Last years was a great example. 13 wins but realistically we were a poor team with no chance to beat the good teams. We got pounded by a bad Giants team that basically didn't belong either.


[sm=yeahthat.gif] x 1000




Funkytown -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 8:38:25 PM)

The heck is happening in this thread?!? [:'(]

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think if everything falls in place, Kirk could win a Super Bowl in one of the next 2 years.

Then again, it's also possible the team doesn't make the playoffs this season.


If we miss the playoffs - after a 13-win season and being within such a weak conference - that would be a huge letdown.

Super Bowl? I always say, let's walk before we try to run. I won't talk Super Bowl until we prove we can win in the playoffs.




Funkytown -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 8:46:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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what about bringing in teddy bridgewater as QB #2, and possibly bridge qb for 2024?


That would be awesome for some fans! If it were the old regime, that'd be a legitimate possibility. (Just the other day, Spielman was saying Teddy would be a good fit in GB. Yuck!) But this one? I think they genuinely believe in Mullens and/or want to see what they have in Hall. In other words, they'd probably rather see what they have in their own guys.




Funkytown -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 9:18:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DL's comment was spot on. I've been guilty of it too but you're the one waving your dumbass banner around bringing attention to it.

If you have an emoticon (in your vast repertoire of three) for drinking one's medicine quietly and then moping off, this would be the perfect time.


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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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Exactly.

I have no problem with people disagreeing, or thinking other people are wrong - or actively arguing/debating. But to actually change the words of another poster is the height of arrogance. That's not arguing, that's an attempt to invalidate another's opinion. You're literally stickering over what someone else thinks with your own opinion. Its not funny. And it runs the risk of misrepresenting other posters to people that aren't following along closely.


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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Why are you guys surprised that a poster who believes lies, would create lies to fit his agenda?

Jesus told him it was ok to redefine the intent of someone else’s words, to fit his world view, and force it like a penis, down your throat and claim it was just “ being straight and honest “….

Worthless ****.


Holy buckets, guys! It was CLEARLY a joke! Why all the piling on?

The whole FIFY is just a lighthearted joke used all around the internet these days. It's really not that serious.

As far as what was switched, I think it's unlikely that we give JJ a huge extension and then Cousins gets one, but not completely out of the question if Cousins has a great year. Is JJ the same without Cousins? Is he shattering records with a young QB? We all know the answer to that. There is no easy answer here. There are so many question marks on the team. You pay JJ, Hock, Darrisaw, and possibly Hunter, but who else? We obviously have to build through the draft, but is it easier to find a good/great quarterback or is it easier to find DL, OL, LB, etc.? There is a lot of work to be done to build a true contender for years to come. Spending the money on Cousins is certainly a risk, but so is spending the draft capital it would take to get a potential QBOTF, because there are still several holes to fill as well as depth roles. And what if the QBOTF struggles? We're back to looking for the next ... Kirk Cousins, to not waste our "big three" in their primes. It's complicated. I get wanting to try something new; but I also get wanting to hold onto someone of Cousins' caliber. My goodness. The days of Ponder, McNabb, Cassel, etc. we would've killed to have someone like Cousins. Now that we have him, it's like fans forget.

Again, I get wanting to move on, but it's fair for people to be hesitant. Let's see a KAM pick actually pan out before we go trusting him with the quarterback position (and all of the other key needs).




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 10:56:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Funkytown

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DL's comment was spot on. I've been guilty of it too but you're the one waving your dumbass banner around bringing attention to it.

If you have an emoticon (in your vast repertoire of three) for drinking one's medicine quietly and then moping off, this would be the perfect time.


Holy buckets, guys! It was CLEARLY a joke! Why all the piling on?

The whole FIFY is just a lighthearted joke used all around the internet these days. It's really not that serious.


Holy Buckets that's a broad, useless generalization with no understanding of the nuances or personalities involved in the 'discussion'.

But thanks for updating us on the internet. And throwing your own arrogant and condescending hat into the ring.




Funkytown -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2023 11:43:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Funkytown

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

DL's comment was spot on. I've been guilty of it too but you're the one waving your dumbass banner around bringing attention to it.

If you have an emoticon (in your vast repertoire of three) for drinking one's medicine quietly and then moping off, this would be the perfect time.


Holy buckets, guys! It was CLEARLY a joke! Why all the piling on?

The whole FIFY is just a lighthearted joke used all around the internet these days. It's really not that serious.


Holy Buckets that's a broad, useless generalization with no understanding of the nuances or personalities involved in the 'discussion'.

But thanks for updating us on the internet. And throwing your own arrogant and condescending hat into the ring.


Am I required to understand the personalities? Now I'm arrogant and condescending for pointing out the obvious?

Is this a Vikings thread or something else? 90% of my post was about the Vikings... I was trying to lighten the mood and get the thread back on track. Shame on me, I guess.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/11/2023 6:04:56 AM)

It took a lot of things to go right for any team to win the a Super Bowl.

The most used statement that is now sickening overused is QB on a rookie contract. It worked for Mahomes not Allen, Burrow, Herbert, or Jackson. All are now on their second contract. Also a top 12 draft pick is not all that cheap.




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