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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

New Orleans playoffs late TD....LUCK
Randy Moss dropping to 21....LUCK

Sometimes you make a good argument.

Sometimes you throw a shallow, transparent, pathetically agenda-driven, plastic chewbone out there.

All plays are lucky if that play was lucky.

TOTAL LUCK. Chuck it up there with 10 seconds left. Two defenders run themselves out of the play. Walk into the end zone. It was one of the luckiest set of events I've ever seen in professional sports. The safety from New Orleans will be having nightmares about that play the rest of his life.

Now, they may have won the game regardless of whether he scored or not. They were down one point and just needed a field goal. But the idea of getting a touchdown from 60 yards out on the final play has a lot of luck and brain-deadedness involved.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Trade with the Bears #1 and draft Caleb Williams?

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I was just throwing it up for conversation.

I was excited about Williams as a prospect awhile back, but now realize he's not a sure thing, and there is a possibility he sucks as a pro.

I am just wondering what others are thinking, are there other QBs you like ? A strong injury concern, but Penix has a strong and accurate arm, from what I have seen.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll give you this. If the Bears go on to win three SBs with a strong influence from the Carolina trade, I'll jump to your side of the argument.

I've no idea if they will win three SB's...nobody does. But, they've done an excellent job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They already have Fields, they have Carolina's No. 1 pick, their own first round pick and more cap space than almost every team in the league.

I've no idea if the Vikings will win three SB's nobody does. But, they've done a very poor job of putting themselves in position to substantially improve. They have no QB on the roster for next year, they will pick in the teens and will need to be lucky to have a QB drop to them (i.e., no plan) and they have less cap space than almost every team in the league.

As of today, Poles > Kwesi.

Devils advocate... which team has blown things up and reaped a superbowl in the aftermath?

Seems like recent superbowl winners have done it by being continuously competitive and hitting on putting the right pieces together AND getting some luck.
(starting with a stud QB)

Vikes have never gotten the luck part... for sure... ever.

New Orleans playoffs late TD....LUCK
Randy Moss dropping to 21....LUCK

Sometimes you make a good argument.

Sometimes you throw a shallow, transparent, pathetically agenda-driven, plastic chewbone out there.

All plays are lucky if that play was lucky.

TOTAL LUCK. Chuck it up there with 10 seconds left. Two defenders run themselves out of the play. Walk into the end zone. It was one of the luckiest set of events I've ever seen in professional sports. The safety from New Orleans will be having nightmares about that play the rest of his life.

Now, they may have won the game regardless of whether he scored or not. They were down one point and just needed a field goal. But the idea of getting a touchdown from 60 yards out on the final play has a lot of luck and brain-deadedness involved.

My apologies … when I came in here and saw your post, for some reason I had the Cousins to Randolph TD game in mind. Not the MNMiracle. (something that myself and other anti-cousins people [like yourself] rarely include in their criticism)

The MNMiracle clearly had an element of luck. Williams spectacularly bad whiff on Diggs was pure bad defense … but for all the variables to line up for that one gross miscalculation at that stupendously wrong moment …

sure, there was luck involved.

To your point though, no - that’s just a lucky moment in time. Not an example of this team having the same luck as other teams.

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Mate is the guy I’m least impressed with (so he’ll probably be the best pro). And I’ve really come around on taking a shot at Penix. Especially if we can get him at our spot.

Williams, Daniels or Penix and I’m thrilled.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Mate is the guy I’m least impressed with (so he’ll probably be the best pro). And I’ve really come around on taking a shot at Penix. Especially if we can get him at our spot.

Williams, Daniels or Penix and I’m thrilled.

Same on Maye.

First 3 games, 4 TDs, 4 Ints
Last 3 games, 4 TDs, 4 Ints

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

We’re beyond due to make a big draft move for a franchise QB. We’re going to be in striking range. Have a very tradable asset.

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We’re beyond due to make a big draft move for a franchise QB. We’re going to be in striking range. Have a very tradable asset.

I hope the report below is accurate and we were willing to make a big up last year for Richardson but the potential trade partner feared how good he was going to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4NTmAQRhuU

If true, it gives me some hope we ID a guy or two and take a big swing.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

LOL, the guy visually leaves up the question "Vikings tried to trade up?" the entire time, then pseudo-factually reports on someone else's speculation!

I'm certain a few will be thrilled about this new possibility, those types are born every day. They'll carry this unfounded hope to draft day, then when it doesn't happen they will play out the stages of their loss in real time on this board. At a minimum disbelief (WHAT???), anguish (WE'RE SO SCREWED), introspection (WHY??), anger (FU KWESI, I HOPE YOU ROT!!). Who knows what else. You read it here first [8|]