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beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/6/2024 6:56:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Mate is the guy I’m least impressed with (so he’ll probably be the best pro). And I’ve really come around on taking a shot at Penix. Especially if we can get him at our spot. Williams, Daniels or Penix and I’m thrilled. Same on Maye. First 3 games, 4 TDs, 4 Ints Last 3 games, 4 TDs, 4 Ints A few days ago bstinger accused me of willing to take any QB regardless which I argued fiercely against. I just don’t know anymore. I confess I’m almost there. The more you look at these guys the more I’d hate to burn draft picks to move up even a few spots. I feel pretty hopeless and passive given that Kwesi and Kevin are choosing. Outside of blind luck, I can’t see them setting the foundation for a really good team. I see Jameson Williams is out for Sunday, just as he was starting to come on. I was kind of hoping he’d flash in our game just to remind Kwesi how foolish it is to move around just for the sake of moving around. Oh well, we’ll stick to our plan and prance around the draft room after our first pick … as bad an omen as there ever was. Cine has been a BUST of epic proportion... Essentially a ghost for 2 seasons! That being said... if Big K had drafted a WR at spot 12 who managed 25 catches 395 yards 3 TDs over those same 2 seasons. I don't think Kwesi is getting a pass from the pitchfork crew. (me included) You have the number 12 pick you need a playmaker, PERIOD. Painful to see all the talent passed on (Hamilton, McDuffie, etc...)

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 3:07:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Mate is the guy I’m least impressed with (so he’ll probably be the best pro). And I’ve really come around on taking a shot at Penix. Especially if we can get him at our spot. Williams, Daniels or Penix and I’m thrilled. Same on Maye. First 3 games, 4 TDs, 4 Ints Last 3 games, 4 TDs, 4 Ints A few days ago bstinger accused me of willing to take any QB regardless which I argued fiercely against. I just don’t know anymore. I confess I’m almost there. The more you look at these guys the more I’d hate to burn draft picks to move up even a few spots. I feel pretty hopeless and passive given that Kwesi and Kevin are choosing. Outside of blind luck, I can’t see them setting the foundation for a really good team. I see Jameson Williams is out for Sunday, just as he was starting to come on. I was kind of hoping he’d flash in our game just to remind Kwesi how foolish it is to move around just for the sake of moving around. Oh well, we’ll stick to our plan and prance around the draft room after our first pick … as bad an omen as there ever was. Cine has been a BUST of epic proportion... Essentially a ghost for 2 seasons! That being said... if Big K had drafted a WR at spot 12 who managed 25 catches 395 yards 3 TDs over those same 2 seasons. I don't think Kwesi is getting a pass from the pitchfork crew. (me included) You have the number 12 pick you need a playmaker, PERIOD. Painful to see all the talent passed on (Hamilton, McDuffie, etc...) Jameson has been a disaster. But I did say, as he was starting to come on … as in the last 3 games. In other words, a disaster like our disaster who is at least starting to get more playing time and show something.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 4:51:15 AM)
. . i never watch college football because of the time difference where I live, and I've got a family that only gives me one game a week, and that's the vikings... i just watched the 20-minute versions of the sugar and rose bowl games...michael penix is going to destroy michigan - the wolverines don't have the offense to stay with Washington, and that quarterback at michigan - do not draft him; he's a poor man's nick mullens.... Washington +4.5 = easy money.... i know you think i'm crazy and I don't know shit, and maybe you're right, but i'm putting my money where my mouth is....

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 9:31:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . i never watch college football because of the time difference where I live, and I've got a family that only gives me one game a week, and that's the vikings... i just watched the 20-minute versions of the sugar and rose bowl games...michael penix is going to destroy michigan - the wolverines don't have the offense to stay with Washington, and that quarterback at michigan - do not draft him; he's a poor man's nick mullens.... Washington +4.5 = easy money.... i know you think i'm crazy and I don't know shit, and maybe you're right, but i'm putting my money where my mouth is.... Yeah, Washington has a WR projected to go top 10 and a couple of others who are real good. It could be a case of who benefits from who. Based on how Penix passes, those other WRs are probably benefitting from him. Mutual benefit WRT the other/top WR. His passes are beyond video game cheat code. It's like he is from the future, the year 2050.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 10:00:10 AM)
. . this is my understanding of our situation.... make playoffs: vikings win cardinals win bears win falcons win or panthers win move to top 10 draft pick: vikings lose falcons win bears win raiders win

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 10:11:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: marty Trade with the Bears #1 and draft Caleb Williams? Its like watching Lazarus rise from the dead. Your Caleb mania goes away for a month or two then pops back up, ready to wangle a few hundred times. Chicago wouldn't do it anyway. Only stupid GM's take an offer to, potentially, give a division rival a franchise QB. Not saying they wouldn't trade the pick. Just not to us.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 10:14:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Mate is the guy I’m least impressed with (so he’ll probably be the best pro). And I’ve really come around on taking a shot at Penix. Especially if we can get him at our spot. Williams, Daniels or Penix and I’m thrilled. Same on Maye. First 3 games, 4 TDs, 4 Ints Last 3 games, 4 TDs, 4 Ints Yeap. Not impressed either. NC played the Gophers this year so I watched him closely. Heard all the hype but hadn't seen him before. As you can imagine the Gophers aren't a very good defense. Expected him to shred us to death. He had some decent/nice throws but I was not impressed.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 10:17:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Penix is the wild card. I’ve been seeing anywhere from Top 10 to mid 2nd. My guess is if his medical aren’t a mess, he’s probably no lower than mid 1st. Agree. Heard a mock draft from a somewhat credible source (Profootballtalk maybe??). They had us picking 10 and taking the edge rush from Bama but Penix was in the 2nd and they had Caleb falling to 5. In that scenario do you trade up for him or take Penix? Daniels was already gone by our pick (4 if I remember right).

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 10:18:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: Murph quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M We’re beyond due to make a big draft move for a franchise QB. We’re going to be in striking range. Have a very tradable asset. I hope the report below is accurate and we were willing to make a big up last year for Richardson but the potential trade partner feared how good he was going to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4NTmAQRhuU If true, it gives me some hope we ID a guy or two and take a big swing. Just caught that myself. I was big on Richardson so I would have been thrilled. IF they were actually trying to make that big of a move I’d be impressed. If the Colts passed on what they’re saying was the proposed offer they are beyond stupid. We’ll never know for sure. But that definitely makes me excited about the possibility of doing it this year. Several credible of MN sports reporters have confirmed this. It's not some youtuber rumor. They said that they are certain that when KAM identifies a target he'll move to get him.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 10:22:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . i never watch college football because of the time difference where I live, and I've got a family that only gives me one game a week, and that's the vikings... i just watched the 20-minute versions of the sugar and rose bowl games...michael penix is going to destroy michigan - the wolverines don't have the offense to stay with Washington, and that quarterback at michigan - do not draft him; he's a poor man's nick mullens.... Washington +4.5 = easy money.... i know you think i'm crazy and I don't know shit, and maybe you're right, but i'm putting my money where my mouth is.... Michigan has a fierce pass rush. That could give him problems. Last thing he needs, at this stage of his career, is to be running for his life right before the draft.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 10:50:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: Murph quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M We’re beyond due to make a big draft move for a franchise QB. We’re going to be in striking range. Have a very tradable asset. I hope the report below is accurate and we were willing to make a big up last year for Richardson but the potential trade partner feared how good he was going to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4NTmAQRhuU If true, it gives me some hope we ID a guy or two and take a big swing. Just caught that myself. I was big on Richardson so I would have been thrilled. IF they were actually trying to make that big of a move I’d be impressed. If the Colts passed on what they’re saying was the proposed offer they are beyond stupid. We’ll never know for sure. But that definitely makes me excited about the possibility of doing it this year. Several credible of MN sports reporters have confirmed this. It's not some youtuber rumor. They said that they are certain that when KAM identifies a target he'll move to get him. Thanks. I appreciate the different take. I’m pretty comfortable running with this. I like the feel of it. It’s something that will thrill me.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 11:07:30 AM)
Glad to hear Kwesi saw my posts on Richardson last year, but he may have overlooked all the support hear for DTR, just missed out on him.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 11:09:57 AM)
Chicago wouldn't do it anyway. Only stupid GM's take an offer to, potentially, give a division rival a franchise QB. Not saying they wouldn't trade the pick. Just not to us. Poles might feel like he can fleece a division rival, just like Kwesi thinks he can. Chicago might be happy with Fields, and IF the Vikings offer more thany other team for the 1st pick, Chicago might take it.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 11:18:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is my understanding of our situation.... make playoffs: vikings win cardinals win bears win falcons win or panthers win move to top 10 draft pick: vikings lose falcons win bears win raiders win I bet a $1.37 on this happening (Falcons to win) for a payout of $53.06 - maybe I should of bought a half dozen bananas at Kwik Star instead <shrug>

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 11:21:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Chicago wouldn't do it anyway. Only stupid GM's take an offer to, potentially, give a division rival a franchise QB. Not saying they wouldn't trade the pick. Just not to us. Poles might feel like he can fleece a division rival, just like Kwesi thinks he can. Chicago might be happy with Fields, and IF the Vikings offer more thany other team for the 1st pick, Chicago might take it. Sure. We could overpay through the roof and Chicago would bite but my God if KAM is that dumb we are in bigger trouble than I thought [:-]

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 11:45:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is my understanding of our situation.... make playoffs: vikings win cardinals win bears win falcons win or panthers win move to top 10 draft pick: vikings lose falcons win bears win raiders win I bet a $1.37 on this happening (Falcons to win) for a payout of $53.06 - maybe I should of bought a half dozen bananas at Kwik Star instead <shrug> that's a pretty good price for the bananas - i'd buy a full dozen, and still make that bet....

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 12:10:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is my understanding of our situation.... make playoffs: vikings win cardinals win bears win falcons win or panthers win move to top 10 draft pick: vikings lose falcons win bears win raiders win I bet a $1.37 on this happening (Falcons to win) for a payout of $53.06 - maybe I should of bought a half dozen bananas at Kwik Star instead <shrug> that's a pretty good price for the bananas - i'd buy a full dozen, and still make that bet.... I put a few bucks on Washington, too. ;)

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 12:35:48 PM)
Posted this on the gameday thread: 2024 cap hits: Lions St. Brown ($1.2) and LaPorta ($2.1). Vikings Jefferson ($30+ proj) and Hock ($14.1) $3.3 million vs. $44.1 million

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 12:39:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is my understanding of our situation.... make playoffs: vikings win cardinals win bears win falcons win or panthers win move to top 10 draft pick: vikings lose falcons win bears win raiders win A Jets win may help too.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 3:10:42 PM)
Draft Penix with our pick. Resign JJ. Let Cousins and Smith go. Try to keep Hunter, but let him go if it doesn’t work. Spend the rest of the draft and cap on O-Line. Defense will SUCK next year, but get the offense ready. Then the following offseason - all defense.

joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 3:24:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Draft Penix with our pick. Resign JJ. Let Cousins and Smith go. Try to keep Hunter, but let him go if it doesn’t work. Spend the rest of the draft and cap on O-Line. Defense will SUCK next year, but get the offense ready. Then the following offseason - all defense. I would very quietly ask around to see what we could get for JJ before I did anything else. A big haul of picks might make our offseason very lucrative. We really need to build up the lines.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 3:35:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joejitsu quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Draft Penix with our pick. Resign JJ. Let Cousins and Smith go. Try to keep Hunter, but let him go if it doesn’t work. Spend the rest of the draft and cap on O-Line. Defense will SUCK next year, but get the offense ready. Then the following offseason - all defense. I would very quietly ask around to see what we could get for JJ before I did anything else. A big haul of picks might make our offseason very lucrative. We really need to build up the lines. The only issue with that is the people picking. They've been abysmal at drafting.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 3:41:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joejitsu quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Draft Penix with our pick. Resign JJ. Let Cousins and Smith go. Try to keep Hunter, but let him go if it doesn’t work. Spend the rest of the draft and cap on O-Line. Defense will SUCK next year, but get the offense ready. Then the following offseason - all defense. I would very quietly ask around to see what we could get for JJ before I did anything else. A big haul of picks might make our offseason very lucrative. We really need to build up the lines. We need draft picks and also talent. It's a dilemma. A player like JJ is uber talented and will likely command 1/7th or 1/8th of the entire cap. Trade him to get picks, but it's almost guaranteed 1/2 of even those selected on days 1-2 will not work out. And with Kwesi, who knows if any will. At the end of the day, I don't think JJ brings $30-35 million in annual value. Use that cap elsewhere and get the picks (assuming it's a haul).

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 4:21:10 PM)
There's no salary cap on the player personnel and scouting departments. Given they cheaped out on the GM, the Wilfs need to make it up with some scouting upgrades. It's not against the rules to lure scouts from other teams, is it? I'd go after the Ravens, 49ers, and Eagles scouts. Pay the good ones whatever it takes. The Wilfs can afford it. Kwesi is supposedly an analytics expert -- got to get him better information to analyze.

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/7/2024 5:27:07 PM)
For the shop JJ crowd... (which is a legit strategy, he could be at his peak value this off season, save cap, etc... I get it) Here is my counter argument. Say you get a couple of 1st round picks. 2015. Trae Waynes 2016. Laquon Treadwell 2017 no pick 2018 Mike Hughes 2019 Garrett Bradbury 2020 Justin Jefferson 2020 Jeff gladney 2021 Darrisaw 2022 Cine 2023 Addison Are there 2 guys on that list that trade for JJ? Your chances of missing are SIGNIFICANT. JJ is a known. JJ produces even with Mullins at qb. Get a cheap qb (rookie would be my first choice). The expense of JJ is palatable with a rookie qb. I don't know that you improve the team by getting rid of your best young player.

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