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Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 9:23:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... Unless Netflix has turned KFC into the early 2000’s Tom Brady…. I don’t care…

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 10:06:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... Unless Netflix has turned KFC into the early 2000’s Tom Brady…. I don’t care… Come on, Dan. Get on board with this one! What's it really going to hurt? Painful journeys make make for better stories when they work themselves out.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 10:09:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... When I saw this post I'm like, "Dude, that's a long time ..." But I really like what was said in this 1:54 vid by a talking head - of which, sadly, I don't know his name. https://twitter.com/wyche89/status/1685112516832018432?s=20

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 11:50:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... Unless Netflix has turned KFC into the early 2000’s Tom Brady…. I don’t care… we all feel about the same....

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 11:56:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... Unless Netflix has turned KFC into the early 2000’s Tom Brady…. I don’t care… we all feel about the same.... I don't! "Negativity Sucks!" Too bad we can't feel good 'bout something instead of always being a "realist"

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 12:12:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... Unless Netflix has turned KFC into the early 2000’s Tom Brady…. I don’t care… we all feel about the same.... I don't! "Negativity Sucks!" Too bad we can't feel good 'bout something instead of always being a "realist" I’ve worn purple shades and drank so much purple koolaid I’m blinded by light and pre-diabetic.. [&:]

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 12:27:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... Unless Netflix has turned KFC into the early 2000’s Tom Brady…. I don’t care… we all feel about the same.... I don't! "Negativity Sucks!" Too bad we can't feel good 'bout something instead of always being a "realist" I’ve worn purple shades and drank so much purple koolaid I’m blinded by light and pre-diabetic.. [&:] I hear ya! - but you've got one more drink left in ya! [;)]

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 3:43:08 PM)
. . ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk Report: Vikings exploring trade options for Danielle Hunter. Jeremy Fowler of ESPN reports the team is looking into trade options for Hunter, letting other teams know he is available.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 4:29:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk Report: Vikings exploring trade options for Danielle Hunter. Jeremy Fowler of ESPN reports the team is looking into trade options for Hunter, letting other teams know he is available. Awesome. Assuming teams see and value him as a 4-3 DE (imagine that) and the trade is equal value, that's good news. He might be our best defensive player, but it's easy to climb to the top of that scrap heap. We need resources to make moves, or a singular move.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 5:14:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... Unless Netflix has turned KFC into the early 2000’s Tom Brady…. I don’t care… we all feel about the same.... I don't! "Negativity Sucks!" Too bad we can't feel good 'bout something instead of always being a "realist" I’ve worn purple shades and drank so much purple koolaid I’m blinded by light and pre-diabetic.. [&:] I hear ya! - but you've got one more drink left in ya! [;)] And even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 7:49:53 PM)
. . imo, kj is going to be wr#2 throughout the season...if we were committed to a QB for the next couple of seasons, i'd consider signing him to an extension....

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 9:59:06 PM)
. . word is, reagor is having a very good camp so far.... cine with an interception today - defensive play of the day.... blackmon with an interception today.... https://twitter.com/sum_nuts/status/1685438621585707008?s=20 .

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/29/2023 10:52:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . this is dated july 28, 11:58pm...is the guy, anyone?.... Adam Patrick@Str8_Cash_Homey According to @wyche89 Vikings QB Kirk Cousins addressed the entire team for 30 minutes after practice on Thursday Members of the team described the conversations during these 30 minutes as "absolutely riveting" has netflix turned cousins into the master and commander?.... Unless Netflix has turned KFC into the early 2000’s Tom Brady…. I don’t care… we all feel about the same.... I don't! "Negativity Sucks!" Too bad we can't feel good 'bout something instead of always being a "realist" I’ve worn purple shades and drank so much purple koolaid I’m blinded by light and pre-diabetic.. [&:] I hear ya! - but you've got one more drink left in ya! [;)] And even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while Exactly! If the stupid Cubs can win one ....

The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 8:29:13 AM)
Danielle Hunter just signed a 1 year deal with the Vikes worth $20mil. According to ESPN. Good news.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 8:30:27 AM)
. . nice, but kwesi throws away a 2nd round pick - I don't like it.... Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero The #Vikings and three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher Danielle Hunter agreed to terms on a new one-year deal worth $20 million, sources tell me and @RapSheet . Hunter gets $17M guaranteed and a no-tag clause, with a chance to earn a big payday next March. i can't believe kwesi accepted this deal...i'm thinking that ownership got involved - this is hunter's gold watch for services rendered.... the NFL should outlaw the 'no-tag clause'.... now we'll probably have to draft an edge rusher in the 1st round next year...goodbye to any 1st-round quarterback in '24.... there must have been zero offers beyond a 3rd round pick for hunter.... if we give him the no-tag, we should have signed him for three years...hell, we'll probably sign him again next season.... .

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 9:02:56 AM)
. . i wonder if the two ghost years of '24 and '25 are affected?...we're on the hook for a $5.6mm cap hit in each year - and if he leaves after this season it might all become dead cap in '24.... twitter is saying "A hell of a job done by Hunter’s agent @ZekeSandhu"

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 10:52:18 AM)
Glad Hunter isn't going.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 11:17:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . i wonder if the two ghost years of '24 and '25 are affected?...we're on the hook for a $5.6mm cap hit in each year - and if he leaves after this season it might all become dead cap in '24.... twitter is saying "A hell of a job done by Hunter’s agent @ZekeSandhu" Based on available cap, as things stand they may have to add a bit to the $11.2 million in those void years. Maybe $5 or so million? On the opposite side, Davenport's void year tally is $6.8 million. Credit Card Kwesi. Edit - I think we was going to make ~ $13 million this year (?). If so, it's just an additional $7 mil, which we have cap space for.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 11:22:27 AM)
me too but there's so much that goes into structuring a team it's like you have to be full-time student of the process to understand if it's a good deal or you just f yourself somewhere else ...

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 2:00:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . nice, but kwesi throws away a 2nd round pick - I don't like it.... Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero The #Vikings and three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher Danielle Hunter agreed to terms on a new one-year deal worth $20 million, sources tell me and @RapSheet . Hunter gets $17M guaranteed and a no-tag clause, with a chance to earn a big payday next March. i can't believe kwesi accepted this deal...i'm thinking that ownership got involved - this is hunter's gold watch for services rendered.... the NFL should outlaw the 'no-tag clause'.... now we'll probably have to draft an edge rusher in the 1st round next year...goodbye to any 1st-round quarterback in '24.... there must have been zero offers beyond a 3rd round pick for hunter.... if we give him the no-tag, we should have signed him for three years...hell, we'll probably sign him again next season.... . Looks like Kwesi got took to the cleaners by Hunter's agent. The only return we'll get for him now is a comp pick.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 3:11:33 PM)
I think we would have traded Hunter if there had been a fair offer -versus- a 20M one year deal with a free get-out-of-town pass. The deal we gave Hunter seems like a fall back plan to me, not what we were aiming for. IF Flores does not do a superb job and IF we do not have some complementary players come out of the woodwork, how much of a value will Hunter/20M provide? Right now he's nothing more than a scraggly crooked tooth sticking out of a little ruffled chihuahua head – not enough to maul anybody but certainly enough to scrape a foot while getting kicked in the face. I am praying for more than that.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 4:10:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes I think we would have traded Hunter if there had been a fair offer -versus- a 20M one year deal with a free get-out-of-town pass for one piece on a cockamamied defense. That seem like a fall back plan to me. IF Flores does not do a superb job and IF we do not have some complementary players come out of the woodwork, how much of a value will Hunter provide? Right now he's nothing more than a lone chihuahua tooth sticking out of a ruffled chihuahua head – not enough to maul anybody but certainly enough to scrape a foot while getting kicked in the face. I am praying for more. Per the bolded, that is the crux of it for me. I hope there is magic on defense, but the odds say there will be significant gaps. And he is out of position. And he's going to get paid well. IMO it will take a couple of years to stockpile defensive talent, and by that time Hunter will be past his prime (which due to injuries and scheme was 2019). So a trade seemed feasible. An equitable trade along with moving the cap savings forward while the D is sorted out would have worked. But coaches value the short-term. I doubt Flores is thinking anything more.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 4:22:33 PM)
I don't value Bill Belichick assistants who moved up because they basically suck, although Flores (who called D plays for one year in NE) did ok. Seems like his rank or grade is incomplete. https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/patriots-bill-belichick-coaching-tree-ex-ranked

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 6:20:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . nice, but kwesi throws away a 2nd round pick - I don't like it.... Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero The #Vikings and three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher Danielle Hunter agreed to terms on a new one-year deal worth $20 million, sources tell me and @RapSheet . Hunter gets $17M guaranteed and a no-tag clause, with a chance to earn a big payday next March. i can't believe kwesi accepted this deal...i'm thinking that ownership got involved - this is hunter's gold watch for services rendered.... the NFL should outlaw the 'no-tag clause'.... now we'll probably have to draft an edge rusher in the 1st round next year...goodbye to any 1st-round quarterback in '24.... there must have been zero offers beyond a 3rd round pick for hunter.... if we give him the no-tag, we should have signed him for three years...hell, we'll probably sign him again next season.... . Looks like Kwesi got took to the cleaners by Hunter's agent. The only return we'll get for him now is a comp pick. yes, a 2025 comp pick...i consider the hunter deal a step back from drafting a quarterback, too...we need draft capital - none from hunter now....

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/30/2023 6:24:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . nice, but kwesi throws away a 2nd round pick - I don't like it.... Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero The #Vikings and three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher Danielle Hunter agreed to terms on a new one-year deal worth $20 million, sources tell me and @RapSheet . Hunter gets $17M guaranteed and a no-tag clause, with a chance to earn a big payday next March. i can't believe kwesi accepted this deal...i'm thinking that ownership got involved - this is hunter's gold watch for services rendered.... the NFL should outlaw the 'no-tag clause'.... now we'll probably have to draft an edge rusher in the 1st round next year...goodbye to any 1st-round quarterback in '24.... there must have been zero offers beyond a 3rd round pick for hunter.... if we give him the no-tag, we should have signed him for three years...hell, we'll probably sign him again next season.... . Looks like Kwesi got took to the cleaners by Hunter's agent. The only return we'll get for him now is a comp pick. yes, a 2025 comp pick...i consider the hunter deal a step back from drafting a quarterback, too...we need draft capital - none from hunter now.... Should be a 2024 comp pick.

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