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ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 9:06:49 AM)
I like the Hunter signing. He should be highly motivated and if he stinks this year you wash your hands of him with no cap hit.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 9:21:56 AM)
As others have said. The coaches are only looking short term. Long term is Kwesi's job and I'm not sure I understand his vision (assuming he has one). We, absolutely, need Hunter to be competetive for a division title this year. That said, 3 of the most important positions in football in 2023 and the near future: QB - 1 year deal with nobody in the wings to take over DE - both sides 1 year deal CB - nothing but unproven guys That's a lot of "hope and questions". I'm starting to wonder about this guy. If/when he locks up JJ and TJ, that's a lot of money taken for a lot of unanswered solutions that need attention. BTW - add Darrisaw is in the mix for a big contract too coming up. We're getting in to the weird territory where we have super high end stars with no depth and no QB. Those stars will probably keep us in the quagmire of picking 15-20 so we can't get the cheap stud QB.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 10:44:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser As others have said. The coaches are only looking short term. Long term is Kwesi's job and I'm not sure I understand his vision (assuming he has one). We, absolutely, need Hunter to be competetive for a division title this year. That said, 3 of the most important positions in football in 2023 and the near future: QB - 1 year deal with nobody in the wings to take over DE - both sides 1 year deal CB - nothing but unproven guys That's a lot of "hope and questions". I'm starting to wonder about this guy. If/when he locks up JJ and TJ, that's a lot of money taken for a lot of unanswered solutions that need attention. BTW - add Darrisaw is in the mix for a big contract too coming up. We're getting in to the weird territory where we have super high end stars with no depth and no QB. Those stars will probably keep us in the quagmire of picking 15-20 so we can't get the cheap stud QB. Cheap stud QB is if drafted after top 10 or later like (Mahomes at 12)....Lawrence, Lance, Wilson, etc. aren't cheap. 2 mentioned are 8 million dollar 3rd string QBs.

Pauldiercks1 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 10:46:38 AM)
Not a huge fan of the signing. Preferred we trade him away. But I'm not a huge fan of this rebuild strategy either. I'd much rather bottom out damn hard and rebuild. If you start with the right pieces a rebuild is quick and the cap is in line for a run. If you don't have the right pieces then keeping looking for them. IE. top 5 QB in chat sights people say ohh Jefferson won't stick around if we are getting a top two draft pick. The heck he won't. a two year rebuild with a plan no big deal, but 6-7 years stuck in mediocrity, that will drive him nuts.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 10:52:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1 Not a huge fan of the signing. Preferred we trade him away. But I'm not a huge fan of this rebuild strategy either. I'd much rather bottom out damn hard and rebuild. If you start with the right pieces a rebuild is quick and the cap is in line for a run. If you don't have the right pieces then keeping looking for them. IE. top 5 QB in chat sights people say ohh Jefferson won't stick around if we are getting a top two draft pick. The heck he won't. a two year rebuild with a plan no big deal, but 6-7 years stuck in mediocrity, that will drive him nuts. Name of the game is the coaching staff....if you don't see the difference between the Zimmer team and last year. You added a very good def mind to the staff this year. Too early to call KOC Grant but it is great to have a great QB but even the Vikings teams in the 70s had the players, Coach, and the drafts.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 11:58:30 AM)
If only we could have solid success on def this year. i wonder what Flores would think of the "bottom out" strategy? Or KOC for that matter. "Nice year you had there coach but we're gonna tank for a for a bit and see if we can't come up with a stud QB." I think that would prob drive me away from football

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 12:21:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser As others have said. The coaches are only looking short term. Long term is Kwesi's job and I'm not sure I understand his vision (assuming he has one). We, absolutely, need Hunter to be competetive for a division title this year. That said, 3 of the most important positions in football in 2023 and the near future: QB - 1 year deal with nobody in the wings to take over DE - both sides 1 year deal CB - nothing but unproven guys That's a lot of "hope and questions". I'm starting to wonder about this guy. If/when he locks up JJ and TJ, that's a lot of money taken for a lot of unanswered solutions that need attention. BTW - add Darrisaw is in the mix for a big contract too coming up. We're getting in to the weird territory where we have super high end stars with no depth and no QB. Those stars will probably keep us in the quagmire of picking 15-20 so we can't get the cheap stud QB. Bolded part made me chuckle. Sad but true. WTH is his plan? At this particular point we have 3 good players (JJ, Hock, Darrisaw) we can build around. I think the 1st thing on the grocery list should be getting a franchise qb at whatever means possible. Darrisaw would be the only untouchable player in that quest.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 12:26:14 PM)
Vikings have $50+ million in dead cap on the books for 2024 — plus a free agent starting QB, two free agent starting edge rushers, and at least three young stars on offense looking to get paid. Curious to see how Vikings navigate the accounting after 2023 without taking a step back in 2024. But, if there’s one thing we know about the Vikings, they’ll fight tooth and nail to get those 9 wins 👊🏼🥊 Tweet from Phil Mackey

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 1:00:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser As others have said. The coaches are only looking short term. Long term is Kwesi's job and I'm not sure I understand his vision (assuming he has one). We, absolutely, need Hunter to be competetive for a division title this year. That said, 3 of the most important positions in football in 2023 and the near future: QB - 1 year deal with nobody in the wings to take over DE - both sides 1 year deal CB - nothing but unproven guys That's a lot of "hope and questions". I'm starting to wonder about this guy. If/when he locks up JJ and TJ, that's a lot of money taken for a lot of unanswered solutions that need attention. BTW - add Darrisaw is in the mix for a big contract too coming up. We're getting in to the weird territory where we have super high end stars with no depth and no QB. Those stars will probably keep us in the quagmire of picking 15-20 so we can't get the cheap stud QB. Bolded part made me chuckle. Sad but true. WTH is his plan? At this particular point we have 3 good players (JJ, Hock, Darrisaw) we can build around. I think the 1st thing on the grocery list should be getting a franchise qb at whatever means possible. Darrisaw would be the only untouchable player in that quest. I would add Brian O'Neil to the list of good players.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 1:01:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser As others have said. The coaches are only looking short term. Long term is Kwesi's job and I'm not sure I understand his vision (assuming he has one). We, absolutely, need Hunter to be competetive for a division title this year. That said, 3 of the most important positions in football in 2023 and the near future: QB - 1 year deal with nobody in the wings to take over DE - both sides 1 year deal CB - nothing but unproven guys That's a lot of "hope and questions". I'm starting to wonder about this guy. If/when he locks up JJ and TJ, that's a lot of money taken for a lot of unanswered solutions that need attention. BTW - add Darrisaw is in the mix for a big contract too coming up. We're getting in to the weird territory where we have super high end stars with no depth and no QB. Those stars will probably keep us in the quagmire of picking 15-20 so we can't get the cheap stud QB. Solid post. It feels like Kwesi is still feeling his way out of the previous regime. He has not commited to team-building based on positional value. Maybe big commitments start to fall next offseason at QB, LT, DE/Edge, and CB. JJ at WR is a special case. Whether you are a Cousins fan or not, we have not commited to him or trying to find an alternative for 2 offseasons. That puts the franchise in limbo. I understand the difficulty of turning over a roster, bringing change with minimal assets, etc. But 13-4 was a ‘lions eating humans in the coliseum’ type of entertainment, enough for some fans to forgive and forget the actual state of the republic. The team was not competitive in the playoffs nor against playoff and non-playoff teams at the end of the 13-4 ‘proof of life’ run. There was no improvement after GB week 1, really. As someone in here already posted, I’ll take a 10-7 team that is developing new talent and improving at the end of the year into a playoff contender - over last year’s fast-melting popsicle. Beneath the bad outcome of 2022, a lot of really good things happened … the coaches look legit / show a lot of potential … there are a lot of player question marks that could turn out really well. I am very hopefull. Hopefully Kwesi can start making some strides instead of simply hedging his bets.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 2:06:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser As others have said. The coaches are only looking short term. Long term is Kwesi's job and I'm not sure I understand his vision (assuming he has one). We, absolutely, need Hunter to be competetive for a division title this year. That said, 3 of the most important positions in football in 2023 and the near future: QB - 1 year deal with nobody in the wings to take over DE - both sides 1 year deal CB - nothing but unproven guys That's a lot of "hope and questions". I'm starting to wonder about this guy. If/when he locks up JJ and TJ, that's a lot of money taken for a lot of unanswered solutions that need attention. BTW - add Darrisaw is in the mix for a big contract too coming up. We're getting in to the weird territory where we have super high end stars with no depth and no QB. Those stars will probably keep us in the quagmire of picking 15-20 so we can't get the cheap stud QB. Bolded part made me chuckle. Sad but true. WTH is his plan? At this particular point we have 3 good players (JJ, Hock, Darrisaw) we can build around. I think the 1st thing on the grocery list should be getting a franchise qb at whatever means possible. Darrisaw would be the only untouchable player in that quest. Would you consider JJ and Darrisaw just good players? There are ways to get franchise QBs w/o selling the farm or tanking. I look at the Jets and SF paying 9.5 million to their 2nd or 3rd string QBs this year and 11 million in 2024...there is a downside to these top qbs if you don't hit. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/trey-lance-72382/next year. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/zach-wilson-72381/

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 4:25:38 PM)
There was no improvement after GB week 1 I wonder a lot "what happens to the season if Watson catches the first pass of the season??"

geoffrey greitzer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 6:16:55 PM)
Dalton Risner!! oh yes make it happen

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2023 10:05:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Dalton Risner!! oh yes make it happen Oh hell yea! I’ll take that. Unload cousins and smith and cook in the off.. Use draft to take another stab at a qbotf in 2024.. Fn cap hell sucks.. Thanks Speils.. Fn moron..

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 6:50:00 AM)
. . i could mean that o'neill is not doing as well as we had hoped...perhaps we're going to convert Cleveland back to tackle - higher trade value, too.... risner at left guard could mean that we're good at o-line for the foreseeable future....

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 8:02:47 AM)
-Kwesi seems very fixated on one year contracts. So we'll see what he offers Risner. -Bradbury is still a huge liability and Ingram needs a ton of improvement just to reach average.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 8:29:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Dalton Risner!! oh yes make it happen Oh hell yea! I’ll take that. Unload cousins and smith and cook in the off.. Use draft to take another stab at a qbotf in 2024.. Fn cap hell sucks.. Thanks Speils.. Fn moron.. quote: Bill Jandro I am amazed he is still out there; lots of teams need line help.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 8:30:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro -Kwesi seems very fixated on one year contracts. So we'll see what he offers Risner. -Bradbury is still a huge liability and Ingram needs a ton of improvement just to reach average. Best thing about 1 year contracts; if things go south those players are easier to trade and usually same players perform at a high level (looking for a new contract).

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 9:00:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . i could mean that o'neill is not doing as well as we had hoped...perhaps we're going to convert Cleveland back to tackle - higher trade value, too.... risner at left guard could mean that we're good at o-line for the foreseeable future.... Except for 40% of it.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 9:52:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . i could mean that o'neill is not doing as well as we had hoped...perhaps we're going to convert Cleveland back to tackle - higher trade value, too.... risner at left guard could mean that we're good at o-line for the foreseeable future.... Except for 40% of it. LOL. So you’re saying the OL would be a vast upgrade over the last few versions?

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 10:01:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Dalton Risner!! oh yes make it happen Oh hell yea! I’ll take that. Unload cousins and smith and cook in the off.. Use draft to take another stab at a qbotf in 2024.. Fn cap hell sucks.. Thanks Speils.. Fn moron.. quote: Bill Jandro I am amazed he is still out there; lots of teams need line help. He's not rated very well. He gets a low grade. would he really be an upgrade? We all hate Ingram so much we think it will, but will it really?

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 10:20:04 AM)
Janik Eckardt @JanikEckardt · 16h Pressures allowed in 2022: Risner 29 Ingram 58 Cleveland 53 QB hits allowed: Risner 6 Cleveland 20 Ingram 18

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 10:20:28 AM)
Joe Spinosa @realjoespinosa · 15h Dalton Risner allowed fewer sacks (10) in his 62 career games than Ed Ingram did in 17 games last year He’s only allowed 3 more QB hits in his career than Ingram did last year Give Kirk some protection!

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 10:20:51 AM)
Dustin Baker @DustBaker · 16h Dalton Risner is the opposite of a typical Vikings guard from the last decade or so. He's a much better pass protector than run-blocker.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/1/2023 10:39:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: geoffrey greitzer Dalton Risner!! oh yes make it happen Oh hell yea! I’ll take that. Unload cousins and smith and cook in the off.. Use draft to take another stab at a qbotf in 2024.. Fn cap hell sucks.. Thanks Speils.. Fn moron.. quote: Bill Jandro I am amazed he is still out there; lots of teams need line help. He's not rated very well. He gets a low grade. would he really be an upgrade? We all hate Ingram so much we think it will, but will it really? Yes, it really will. He is not elite, but he is extremely competent, which is a massive upgrade from what we have.

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