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Todd M -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/11/2024 5:59:20 PM)

If you have a clean bill of health Kwesi doesn’t even look at ya.




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/11/2024 6:16:00 PM)

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. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space? [&:]


Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.


Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way. [&:]
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/11/2024 6:35:56 PM)

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. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space? [&:]


Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.


Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way. [&:]
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense



I didn't think so, but for you, again, anything is possible based on the contract structures.

We'll see how the other positions go.




kgdabom -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/11/2024 8:28:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Seifert:

Jonathan Greenard, LB
Minnesota agreed to terms on a four-year, $72 million deal with Greenard, the former Houston Texans linebacker.

What it means: Greenard almost certainly is the Vikings' replacement for longtime edge rusher Danielle Hunter, who is a pending free agent and negotiated a deal last summer to prevent the Vikings from using the franchise tag to keep him. He is a worthy successor. Greenard is three years younger than Hunter and an ascending player, having recorded a career-high 12.5 sacks last season. In 2023, in fact, his 22.4% pass rush win rate ranked notably higher than Hunter's (13.5%). He also has the size at 265 pounds to fit well in defensive coordinator Brian Flores' multi-positional scheme.

What's the risk: Durability is a concern. Greenard has never played a full NFL season, and he missed nearly half of 2022 because of a calf injury. Last season, an ankle injury cost him two games. Vikings general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah has not been afraid to take on players who have had injury histories, but those decisions have not always paid off. Last season, for example, he signed oft-injured pass-rusher Marcus Davenport and then watched as the Vikings got only four games out of him because of two separate ankle injuries.

Andrew Van Ginkel, LB
The Vikings and Van Ginkel agreed to a two-year, $20 million deal.

What it means: It's hardly a coincidence that Van Ginkel ended up in Minnesota. Vikings defensive coordinator Brian Flores was the Miami Dolphins' head coach in 2019 when Van Ginkel was drafted there, and the Vikings have given Flores a strong influence on their plan to upgrade defensive personnel. Van Ginkel has put up huge sack numbers as an edge rusher -- he set a career high with six in 2023 -- but he ranked No. 20 in the NFL in pass rush win rate (17.9%) last season. Flores will have a plan to maximize his skills opposite fellow newcomer Jonathan Greenard.

What's the risk: Van Ginkel suffered a foot injury in the 2023 regular-season finale and was placed on injured reserve prior to the Dolphins' wild-card playoff game against the Kansas City Chiefs. All free agent acquisitions are contingent on passing a physical, of course, and the Vikings can protect themselves contractually if they need to at that point. But the Vikings' history with acquiring players who have injury histories are mixed at best, and Van Ginkel's health will be worth watching.

Blake Cashman, LB
Minnesota and Cashman came to terms on a three-year contract.

What it means: Cashman became a full-time starter last season in his fifth year in the league, quickly becoming a tackling machine for the Texans while also excelling in coverage. That means he could likely pair with rising star Ivan Pace Jr. as an inside linebacker in the Vikings' 3-4 scheme, and it could well mean that veteran Jordan Hicks, who turns 32 this summer and is a pending free agent himself, is moving on. Cashman will also give the Vikings another local connection to their fan base, as he attended high school in suburban Minneapolis and played at the University of Minnesota.

What's the risk: There isn't a long record of Cashman holding up over a full season as a prominent defensive player, largely because of injuries. He appeared in only 14 games and played a total of 612 defensive snaps in his first three NFL seasons, all with the New York Jets. After joining the Texans, however, he played in 30 of a possible 34 games. Flores' game plans tend to vary from week to week, especially for inside linebackers, so it's possible that Cashman's playing time could vary based on the opponent.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39575242/vikings-2024-free-agency-tracker-offseason-moves-signings

More injury concerns than I thought.




Tom Sykes -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/11/2024 8:44:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space? [&:]


Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.


Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way. [&:]
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense

This was a big day. A good day.

Don't start crowing over something that hasn't happened yet and warp it with asinine projections.

None of these people, including Cousins have signed yet. All need to pass physicals which, after reading David's Seifert piece, is no given.

Then there's the structure of the contracts ... and how well we've set it up to add more pieces next year and the year after.

And more than just a DT and CB away from a decent defense much less top 5.

The league year hasn't even started and we're awesome!

Good luck with that.




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/11/2024 9:21:36 PM)

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. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space? [&:]


Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.


Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way. [&:]
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense



I didn't think so, but for you, again, anything is possible based on the contract structures.

We'll see how the other positions go.

Top 7 until injuries hit and finished top 12 last year.




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/11/2024 9:24:20 PM)

Darnold choosing between us and Broncos. Interest in Winston and now Mixon released. So we might be in on Jones/Mixon




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/11/2024 11:21:45 PM)

Goessling:

Of Kirk Cousins' $100 million in guaranteed money, $90 million was guaranteed at signing. The other $10 million is guaranteed a year early.

He gets $62.5 million in cash this year, $90 million in first two. And he got a no-trade clause in the deal.




odin -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 12:39:42 AM)

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1767416315935953277?t=1qJubWHAvno_xhexQSyx6A&s=19

Sam Darnold expected to sign w/Vikings for 1 yr, 10 million.




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 1:04:32 AM)

We’re definitely drafting a QB.




kgdabom -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 1:30:06 AM)

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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1767416315935953277?t=1qJubWHAvno_xhexQSyx6A&s=19

Sam Darnold expected to sign w/Vikings for 1 yr, 10 million.

Yuck. I'd rather go with Mullens and save 10 million or however much we save.




kgdabom -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 1:31:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

We’re definitely drafting a QB.

Yes we are and likely in the first round.




kgdabom -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 1:58:19 AM)

Looking into the Darnold signing it's 1 year up to 10 million. Cutting Mullens will save 1.8 million so Darnold will cost us up to $8.2 million. Once again I say yuck. Daily Norseman ran a poll with 62% of voters wishing we did not sign him. Seems like crazy big money for a player with his track record.




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 2:40:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Seifert:

Jonathan Greenard, LB
Minnesota agreed to terms on a four-year, $72 million deal with Greenard, the former Houston Texans linebacker.

What it means: Greenard almost certainly is the Vikings' replacement for longtime edge rusher Danielle Hunter, who is a pending free agent and negotiated a deal last summer to prevent the Vikings from using the franchise tag to keep him. He is a worthy successor. Greenard is three years younger than Hunter and an ascending player, having recorded a career-high 12.5 sacks last season. In 2023, in fact, his 22.4% pass rush win rate ranked notably higher than Hunter's (13.5%). He also has the size at 265 pounds to fit well in defensive coordinator Brian Flores' multi-positional scheme.

What's the risk: Durability is a concern. Greenard has never played a full NFL season, and he missed nearly half of 2022 because of a calf injury. Last season, an ankle injury cost him two games. Vikings general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah has not been afraid to take on players who have had injury histories, but those decisions have not always paid off. Last season, for example, he signed oft-injured pass-rusher Marcus Davenport and then watched as the Vikings got only four games out of him because of two separate ankle injuries.

Andrew Van Ginkel, LB
The Vikings and Van Ginkel agreed to a two-year, $20 million deal.

What it means: It's hardly a coincidence that Van Ginkel ended up in Minnesota. Vikings defensive coordinator Brian Flores was the Miami Dolphins' head coach in 2019 when Van Ginkel was drafted there, and the Vikings have given Flores a strong influence on their plan to upgrade defensive personnel. Van Ginkel has put up huge sack numbers as an edge rusher -- he set a career high with six in 2023 -- but he ranked No. 20 in the NFL in pass rush win rate (17.9%) last season. Flores will have a plan to maximize his skills opposite fellow newcomer Jonathan Greenard.

What's the risk: Van Ginkel suffered a foot injury in the 2023 regular-season finale and was placed on injured reserve prior to the Dolphins' wild-card playoff game against the Kansas City Chiefs. All free agent acquisitions are contingent on passing a physical, of course, and the Vikings can protect themselves contractually if they need to at that point. But the Vikings' history with acquiring players who have injury histories are mixed at best, and Van Ginkel's health will be worth watching.

Blake Cashman, LB
Minnesota and Cashman came to terms on a three-year contract.

What it means: Cashman became a full-time starter last season in his fifth year in the league, quickly becoming a tackling machine for the Texans while also excelling in coverage. That means he could likely pair with rising star Ivan Pace Jr. as an inside linebacker in the Vikings' 3-4 scheme, and it could well mean that veteran Jordan Hicks, who turns 32 this summer and is a pending free agent himself, is moving on. Cashman will also give the Vikings another local connection to their fan base, as he attended high school in suburban Minneapolis and played at the University of Minnesota.

What's the risk: There isn't a long record of Cashman holding up over a full season as a prominent defensive player, largely because of injuries. He appeared in only 14 games and played a total of 612 defensive snaps in his first three NFL seasons, all with the New York Jets. After joining the Texans, however, he played in 30 of a possible 34 games. Flores' game plans tend to vary from week to week, especially for inside linebackers, so it's possible that Cashman's playing time could vary based on the opponent.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39575242/vikings-2024-free-agency-tracker-offseason-moves-signings

More injury concerns than I thought.

Every football player has injury concerns. Hicks Wonum and Hunter have them.

Cousins was a beacon of health.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 3:57:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space? [&:]


Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.


Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way. [&:]
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense



I didn't think so, but for you, again, anything is possible based on the contract structures.

We'll see how the other positions go.

Top 7 until injuries hit and finished top 12 last year.



What kind of BS numbers are those? They were 17th in points allowed and 16th in yards allowed.

Not to mention OCs broke the code on Flores. They closed the season giving up 27, 30, 33, and 30 points.

And before you blame injuries, they were not as bad as you claim:
Hicks weeks 11, 12, 13, 14
Murphy weeks 15, 16, 17
Wonnum weeks 16, 17

So:
- Week 14, one guy out
- Week 15, one guy out
- Weeks 16 and 17, two guys out

If a team gets pulverized because of 1-2 injuries, then it has a hollow roster and/or a scheme problem. Regardless, we were middle of the road based on the two key defensive metrics and not your cherry picked and made up stats.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:32:17 AM)

So Darnold, Rookie, and Mullens as the veteran clipboard holder.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:42:55 AM)

So to field a legit team we need 2 DL and some WRs. In Kwesi's world, Brandel is getting starter's money so it wouldn't be a shock to see him starting at LG.

Draft: QB, DL or CB, WR.

Pick up some injured FAs for defense.

Work on depth.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:59:16 AM)

Even if the Lions pay all of Davenport's salary this year, he is still costing the Vikings more than that this year.

Go Kwesi!




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 5:28:54 AM)

Importing this from DN:

Positives: Greenard basically matched Hunter in PFF score at 78 and had 12.5 sacks versus Hunter's 18 in 374 fewer snaps. PFF also forecast Greenard getting 4/$76M. He's 2.5 years younger than Hunter.

Negatives: Greenard's RAS score was 5.53 versus Hunter's 9.88. He's played 265, 413, 285, and 632 snaps versus Hunter's 882, 384 (injury in 2021), 906, 1006.

You could say Greenard as a 3rd Round pick needed 3 years to develop and be injury-free. And maybe he still has more that can be developed. Losing Hunter's 900 snaps/season though is going to be a blow. Every-down dudes are valuable.




marty -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 6:06:23 AM)

Who's the injury prone RB the Vikings will sign ?




Chris Olson -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:26:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

We’re definitely drafting a QB.

Yes we are and likely in the first round.

And I think we are trading up...

hopefully to #2 before the draft




Chris Olson -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:40:34 AM)

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Who's the injury prone RB the Vikings will sign ?

Does Aaron Jones work for that category?

I always wanted to hate him, to call him overrated, simply because he was a Packer, but that guy proved me wrong at every turn

he is aging, I suppose, but he showed how valuable he was last year as the Puke made their playoff run




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:49:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Importing this from DN:

Positives: Greenard basically matched Hunter in PFF score at 78 and had 12.5 sacks versus Hunter's 18 in 374 fewer snaps. PFF also forecast Greenard getting 4/$76M. He's 2.5 years younger than Hunter.

Negatives: Greenard's RAS score was 5.53 versus Hunter's 9.88. He's played 265, 413, 285, and 632 snaps versus Hunter's 882, 384 (injury in 2021), 906, 1006.

You could say Greenard as a 3rd Round pick needed 3 years to develop and be injury-free. And maybe he still has more that can be developed. Losing Hunter's 900 snaps/season though is going to be a blow. Every-down dudes are valuable.




You could say Greenard as a 3rd Round pick needed 3 years to develop and be injury-free. And maybe he still has more that can be developed. Losing Hunter's 900 snaps/season though is going to be a blow. Every-down dudes are valuable.”

Hunter was a talent but DE is not just a pass rush position…

We got gashed in the run, both up the middle and on the edges..

How many sacks did he get in Flores vaunted three man rush, with games or leads on the line?

I don’t recall him being a shut down of the caliber of DE we have had in the past.

His cap hit can go..

He is one blow to the neck/ head from being useless.

One bad tackle ..

Yea yea it can be said of any player…

I’m not hating on roster turnover after a decade of bullshit mediocrity.




Chris Olson -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:55:15 AM)

Ha, it is being reported that Aaron Jones is signing with us...lmao!

Dude wants revenge!

1 yr/$7 mil




Bill Jandro -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:56:34 AM)

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If you have a clean bill of health Kwesi doesn’t even look at ya.

I've noticed that.




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