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David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 12:16:09 PM)

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Vikings add DE Jonathan Greenard to boost pass rush
The deal: Four years, $72 million with $42 million guaranteed
Grade: A


The Vikings are (presumably) letting Danielle Hunter walk out the door, but in Greenard they are replacing him with another very good pass-rusher -- and at a good price, too.

Greenard is a metrics darling, recording a 22% pass rush win rate that ranked sixth among edge rushers last season, ahead of stars such as Haason Reddick, Brian Burns and Trey Hendrickson. And he's a solid run defender, too, with a 37% run stop win rate at edge that would have led the position had he played enough to qualify. (That he played a little less on early downs and didn't qualify is perhaps a sign he wasn't as strong as the figure implies, but Greenard was consistently above average in the metric in both 2021 and 2022.)

Oh, and did I bury the lede? Greenard brings more than under-the-hood production, as he had 12.5 sacks too. And he did it on only 345 pass rushes. Among players with at least 200 pass rushes, Greenard ranked fourth in sack rate (3.6%).

This is not a move without risk. Greenard has struggled to stay on the field at times -- he played 12, eight and 15 games per year in 2021, 2022 and 2023, respectively. The Vikings are buying the breakout, as Greenard's pass rush win rates were solid in the past but not on the level of his 2023 play. He did have eight sacks in 2021, though.

But the $18 million APY price tag is not that of a superstar edge rusher. After adjusting for cap inflation, that makes this deal in the same realm as Alex Highsmith's extension with the Steelers last year or Matthew Judon's contract with the Patriots in 2021, per OverTheCap. And it pales in comparison to top-of-the-market deals like Olivier Vernon's free agent deal with the Giants in 2016 ($28 million in today's dollars) or Montez Sweat's extension with the Bears ($27 million), let alone T.J. Watt's deal ($39 million).

While there's risk in buying high, to me this is a gamble easily worth making. This isn't just a single year of sack production. All the signs are there of Greenard being a very high-level edge player. Those don't come around on the free agent market at age 26 often. -- Walder

What this means for the 2024 draft: Looking at the Vikings' roster before free agency, the expectation was that if the team didn't re-sign Hunter, selecting a pass-rusher was in play early in the draft, potentially at No. 11 overall. With Greenard signed, pass-rusher can now move down the team's list of needs. The focus in Minnesota now is all on quarterback. -- Miller

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Vikings keep building defense with Andrew Van Ginkel
The deal: Two years, $20 million with $14 million guaranteed
Grade: B


The Vikings continue to add to the pass rush. After signing pass-rusher Jonathan Greenard to a four-year, $72 million deal, they added a versatile pass-rusher in outside linebacker Van Ginkel. A Rock Valley, Iowa, native who played his college football at Wisconsin, Van Ginkel heads back to the Midwest on a deal that pays him well at 28 years old. The 2023 season was his best yet, with six sacks in 11 starts; he worked primarily as a rotational player in previous seasons. He also had one interception -- which he returned for a touchdown -- and six pass breakups.

The Vikings were tied for 19th in sacks last season (43) and entered the offseason with four defensive ends set to hit free agency. Even after signing Greenard, more of a presence was needed coming off the edge of the line. Van Ginkel has familiarity with current Vikings defensive coordinator Brian Flores from their time together in Miami, and now he has a pay day that's worthy of a top-three pass-rusher and likely starter in Minnesota.

This is a low-risk signing for the Vikings and allows the team to cross off a priority need without exhausting draft capital to do so. And that has become much more important with Kirk Cousins signing in Atlanta earlier Monday -- Minnesota will likely have to use a high pick on a quarterback, or package picks to move up in the draft to select one. -- Miller

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/39633029/2024-nfl-free-agency-grades-signings-trades-latest-best-worst-deals-draft-outlook




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 1:40:14 PM)

Aaron Jones after returning from injury in week 15:

638 rushing yards (1st in the NFL)
29 missed tackles forced (1st)
5.5 yards per carry (1st)




Chris Olson -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 2:10:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Aaron Jones after returning from injury in week 15:

638 rushing yards (1st in the NFL)
29 missed tackles forced (1st)
5.5 yards per carry (1st)

Dude played like he was on a mission...

I think it carries over to next year...

and 7 mil is chump change for how productive I think he'll be

took a load off needing to find a starter quality RB, too




Chris Olson -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 2:11:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.

Interesting you feel that way, Bill, because I felt like we got good deals on both of those players




Trekgeekscott -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 2:14:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Aaron Jones after returning from injury in week 15:

638 rushing yards (1st in the NFL)
29 missed tackles forced (1st)
5.5 yards per carry (1st)

Dude played like he was on a mission...

I think it carries over to next year...

and 7 mil is chump change for how productive I think he'll be

took a load off needing to find a starter quality RB, too


Filled a hole relatively cheaply.

Plus he's pretty damn good in the passing game too.

More weapons.




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:04:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.

Interesting you feel that way, Bill, because I felt like we got good deals on both of those players

We got younger and higher rankings for everything we picked except Wonnum.




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:10:20 PM)

Free-agent WR Brandon Powell is returning to the Vikings on a one-year deal, per source.




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:11:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.

Interesting you feel that way, Bill, because I felt like we got good deals on both of those players

We got younger and higher rankings for everything we picked except Wonnum.


Darnold is ranked higher than Cousins?




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:14:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.

Interesting you feel that way, Bill, because I felt like we got good deals on both of those players

We got younger and higher rankings for everything we picked except Wonnum.


Darnold is ranked higher than Cousins?

Not QB of course. I am talking defense.




kgdabom -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:19:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

We’re definitely drafting a QB.

Yes we are and likely in the first round.

And I think we are trading up...

hopefully to #2 before the draft

You want us to give up 3 first round picks plus? That's what it will cost. I think Washington is locked in on Daniels and probably wouldn't even trade the pick for 4 first round picks.




kgdabom -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:20:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: marty

Who's the injury prone RB the Vikings will sign ?

Does Aaron Jones work for that category?

I always wanted to hate him, to call him overrated, simply because he was a Packer, but that guy proved me wrong at every turn

he is aging, I suppose, but he showed how valuable he was last year as the Puke made their playoff run

He was great. I hear we got him. Haven't seen the contract yet so I don't know if it was a good deal until I do. I'm OK with up to $6 million per and 2 years 2nd not guaranteed.




kgdabom -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:21:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Ha, it is being reported that Aaron Jones is signing with us...lmao!

Dude wants revenge!

1 yr/$7 mil

1 year $7 million. I can live with that.




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:24:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.

Interesting you feel that way, Bill, because I felt like we got good deals on both of those players

We got younger and higher rankings for everything we picked except Wonnum.


Darnold is ranked higher than Cousins?

Not QB of course. I am talking defense.


Ah. Since you responded to a comment about Darnold and Jones...




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:49:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.

Interesting you feel that way, Bill, because I felt like we got good deals on both of those players

We got younger and higher rankings for everything we picked except Wonnum.


Darnold is ranked higher than Cousins?

Not QB of course. I am talking defense.


Greenard is "ranked" higher than Hunter?




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:55:17 PM)

We got younger and higher rankings for everything we picked except Wonnum.

IOW "we got higher rankings" (whatever that is) for everyone except Cousins, Hunter, and Wonnum. Jones was an addition.

Guess that means Cashman > Hicks. Debatable, but oh boy!




Bill Johanesen -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 4:59:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

$17 million for Darnold and Jones... down the drain.

Jones could be Earl Campbell in his prime, but he's not going anywhere behind this shambles of an IOL. Not going to be hoodwinked again with Kwesi throwing $ at a RB.

Darnold's claim to fame is he beat out Trey Lance for the SF backup spot. There were/are cheaper bridge QBs out there.

Interesting you feel that way, Bill, because I felt like we got good deals on both of those players


Looking at it from the aspect of $17 million for a couple of rentals to maintain mediocrity. They certainly don't move the needle, although Jones was/is pretty good.

They are not part of any strategy beyond 2024. Would like to see say $10 million rolled over this year then $20 million the following year to use in 2026. Ideally around the time the rookie QB has hit his stride.




Dave Odle -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 5:31:33 PM)

Aaron Jones was a fantastic pickup. Immediate upgrade over Mattison. Darnold is debatable. I think it's solid, though.




Chris Olson -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 5:47:21 PM)

wow Hunter only gets a 2 yr 49 mil deal...

expected more for him, though he gets to re-do the FA deal again in 2 years, which could be big if he stays productive




David Levine -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 5:47:22 PM)

Josina Anderson:
Danielle Hunter agrees with the Texans on a 2-year deal worth $49M base, per source. I’m told $48M of the $49M mentioned below is guaranteed at signing on Danielle Hunter’s deal with HOU.




joejitsu -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 6:13:42 PM)

Ahhhh! We still need a big run stuffer at dtackle and two iol’s at center and guard.




stfrank -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:01:17 PM)

Finally we look to be clearing huge contracts and dead money that have been holding back this team for years. We may suck for a season or 2 but at least most of our cap space won't be wasted on guys no longer with the team. I'm not sold on our drafting ability, but at least we now have a chance to build a good team without having 50% of our money going to a few players.




Dave Odle -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:26:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

Finally we look to be clearing huge contracts and dead money that have been holding back this team for years. We may suck for a season or 2 but at least most of our cap space won't be wasted on guys no longer with the team. I'm not sold on our drafting ability, but at least we now have a chance to build a good team without having 50% of our money going to a few players.


Exactly.




marty -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 7:33:42 PM)

Should have signed Jones for 2 years, or extend him mid season this coming season.

It's good to take a bite out of the Packers. Now injuries to Kenny Clarkband Gary, and the Packers won't make the playoffs.

It's too bad the Vikings can't find a Kenny Clark like player at DT.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/12/2024 8:55:19 PM)

Powell is a really great signing IMO. He has a role in this offense and is reliable




Phil Riewer -> RE: 2024 Free Agency (3/13/2024 4:36:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

Should have signed Jones for 2 years, or extend him mid season this coming season.

It's good to take a bite out of the Packers. Now injuries to Kenny Clarkband Gary, and the Packers won't make the playoffs.

It's too bad the Vikings can't find a Kenny Clark like player at DT.

Which of CB IDL and IOL is strongest in the draft?




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