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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2024 10:15:54 PM)
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I think the Vikings might be targeting Jayden Daniels, because they targeted Anthony Richardson last year, and Daniels is probably most similar to Richardson.
It sure would be nice to be a fly on the wall to know who they truly coveted.
If it’s Daniels I’m not sure it’s possible. If Washington goes Maye the Pats are taking Daniel’s. I think the Pats become trade partners only if Daniels is off the board. We have to get to 2 and I don’t see how Washington can give up choice in this select group.
Supposedly NE loves McCarthy. If that's the case, they're likely to need better than 11 to get him.
That's the thing. Assuming Chi takes Caleb, neither NE nor Wash will trade to #11 with the expectation of getting their guy. People are ignoring they would be starting out at #2-3 and could be left with nothing.
To get Daniels, as a minimum you need to have the #5 pick to entice NE or Wash. And that might not be enough if they have settled on a QB and do not want to risk anything happening to jeopardize that.
The only way it works if NE isn't sold on qb.
They have a lot of holes to fill.
Just hired a defensive coach.
Small chance they could decide more draft picks are better way to go than a high end qb.
I think more than a small chance. They need a QB but they need everything. True, having a high pick in a QB rich draft is a chance that doesn't come along every year. But you never know. Strange things happen on draft day. All the top QBs are good, but Williams is probably the only closest thing to a sure thing. There is always risk involved. They may well decide that a bounty of picks is the faster and more prudent way to rebuild.
And maybe so. My point is (assuming they would like one of the six QBs) it may take two trades to get to #2 as a way to help alleviate risk from their side. IOW, something like #11 and #23 to get to #5. Then #5 and the 2025 1st rounder (and maybe more?) to go from #5 to #2. And Herbert isn't part of this scenario.
This is exactly what I was thinking, we trade 23 and 11 for 5 before the draft…
and maybe even go after 2 or 3 for 5 and the 2025 1st rounder…would be a lot easier for either of those teams to move down 2 spots and still secure a top 4 qb
I wonder if The Cards would take the trade of 11+23 for 4? That would be ideal, as both Washington and NE could accept that trade down with nobody able to leapfrog them
Good point adding in the trade to #5 would have to be done before the draft... otherwise it wouldn't work. That's another obstacle since some GMs like to wait for calls until the 11th hour. But they should know if they are a pivot point so to speak for teams looking to go higher then it's a lot cleaner having some arrangement beforehand.
And yeah, if Wash/NE think #2-3 is too high to take a QB BUT need to walk away with one of the six rather than be left holding an empty bag, then #5 or #4 as you say is about as ideal as you can get.
I used the #2 pick as a target only because I'd trade up for Daniels at #2 but not May at #3.
I really like Maye, Bill. He makes really nice throws and he has the mobility to extend plays. But, I also liked Ponder, so what do I know???
That's cool... not going to debate. I know zilch about the QBs, and nobody knows what the teams think.
Its a freakin crazy time.
When the draftniks started rolling, some people were wondering if Chi was going to stick with Fields and pass on Williams.
If I'm not mistaken, I think a few people in here suggested we try and trade with Chi ... for Fields as our QBOTF or even for their pick if Chi was going to keep Fields,.
Now we find out that nobody in the league values Fields as more than a back-up at this point ... with development potential maybe but the trade value was pure backup.
I also like the posters that don't like McCarthy, Penix or Nix thinking we can trade up and exchange places with other QB desperate teams so we get the blue chipper and they get the leftovers ...
like we value top notch QBs more than them.
The discussions are fun. I'm into it. Beats the big 'Cousins choking' rumpus over the last few years.
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