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marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/11/2025 12:32:13 PM)
No offense to Brad H., but I can't wait to start watching McCarthy prove Brad wrong. McCarthy is showing he has a cannon, hopefully he quickly learns the right times to take a little something off the ball.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/11/2025 4:15:57 PM)
. Metellus signed an $8mm/2yr deal last year - it was a huge deal for him at the time, and I was happy for him.... kwesi has been throwing money around like he's playing monopoly...imo giving van ginkel his extension before this season was a mistake - it made metellus' deal look paltry, and he really works his ass off, but it's also hard to judge how valuable he is because he plays a weird position and i'm more accustomed to the 4/3 defense...anyway, give the guy a 1yr extension for $12mm - that would have him making an average of $8mm/yr over the next 2 season.... i'd bet kwesi pays him more than that - like $11mm/yr over the next 2 seasons....

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/12/2025 2:11:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . Metellus signed an $8mm/2yr deal last year - it was a huge deal for him at the time, and I was happy for him.... kwesi has been throwing money around like he's playing monopoly...imo giving van ginkel his extension before this season was a mistake - it made metellus' deal look paltry, and he really works his ass off, but it's also hard to judge how valuable he is because he plays a weird position and i'm more accustomed to the 4/3 defense...anyway, give the guy a 1yr extension for $12mm - that would have him making an average of $8mm/yr over the next 2 season.... i'd bet kwesi pays him more than that - like $11mm/yr over the next 2 seasons.... So you're saying Kwesi is tossing crazy money around but you want to see Metellus get extended so that he earns twice as much as his 2023 contract because 1) VanGinkel is making more and 2) Metellus really works hard, although his value is difficult to know due to 1) being a positionless player in a 3-4 D and 2) you are a 4-3 guy.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/13/2025 4:57:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . Metellus signed an $8mm/2yr deal last year - it was a huge deal for him at the time, and I was happy for him.... kwesi has been throwing money around like he's playing monopoly...imo giving van ginkel his extension before this season was a mistake - it made metellus' deal look paltry, and he really works his ass off, but it's also hard to judge how valuable he is because he plays a weird position and i'm more accustomed to the 4/3 defense...anyway, give the guy a 1yr extension for $12mm - that would have him making an average of $8mm/yr over the next 2 season.... i'd bet kwesi pays him more than that - like $11mm/yr over the next 2 seasons.... So you're saying Kwesi is tossing crazy money around but you want to see Metellus get extended so that he earns twice as much as his 2023 contract because 1) VanGinkel is making more and 2) Metellus really works hard, although his value is difficult to know due to 1) being a positionless player in a 3-4 D and 2) you are a 4-3 guy. no, I wasn't promoting anything...i was merely stating some goings on in vikingsland.... i think the van ginkel extension at this time was a mistake...but considering all the money kwesi is tossing around, metellus rightfully feels underappreciated financially.... i noticed we just extended oliver with a 3yr deal...we're more than $50mm over the cap for 2026 - not including oliver/metellus...everyone is getting extensions, and we're going to have to rebuild the d-line interior next year....

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/13/2025 5:21:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer and we're going to have to rebuild the d-line interior next year.... So we're cutting Jonathan Allen and Javon Hargrave after this year?

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/14/2025 5:09:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer and we're going to have to rebuild the d-line interior next year.... So we're cutting Jonathan Allen and Javon Hargrave after this year? not necessarily - both over 30 and coming off injuries...short-term fix probably - we might let hargrave go.... most likely we draft d-line early in '26 and maybe pick up a player coming out of their rookie deal...we have four d-linemen capping at around $20mm in '26....

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/16/2025 10:24:20 AM)
We're the test on team's schedules. If we're not the #1 seed at the end we underachievered.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/17/2025 9:19:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M We're the test on team's schedules. If we're not the #1 seed at the end we underachievered. Please. We have an inexperienced qb. I expect some struggles early but solid improvement as the season goes on. I'd rather have a team getting better as the season progresses than a good record and be one and done.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/17/2025 10:12:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M We're the test on team's schedules. If we're not the #1 seed at the end we underachievered. Please. We have an inexperienced qb. I expect some struggles early but solid improvement as the season goes on. I'd rather have a team getting better as the season progresses than a good record and be one and done. Agreed. It's entirely possible the Vikings could have a better team and a worse record than last year. Just look at the difference in schedule. The goal is to secure a playoff spot and be playing their best football at the end of the year.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/17/2025 10:49:45 AM)
Exactly. I'm as optimistic as anyone about KOC but you have to look at his record and wonder. Was it great coaching, luck...something else? The good: 14 and 13 win seasons in just 3 years. Has made journeymen QB's and first round "busts" have really good seasons. The ugly: 0-2 in the playoffs and the games haven't been particularly close. With KC's you knew what you were getting. With Darnold, you didn't. He had bad games but was largely spectacular during the season but fell flat on his face when it mattered most. That said, KOC's playcalling in the Det/LAR's game left a lot to be desired. Enter JJM. No clue how he's going to do but you have expect lumps. If he doesn't give them, great! But....you have to expect some. My biggest take away from this season isn't him though, it's KOC. This O is loaded on paper. How does the offense "look". I don't give a crap about stats/wins ect. How do we function, as an offense, against the really good D's and in/around the playoff type games. 13/14 win seasons are fun but mean nothing when you get trounced in the first round.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/17/2025 11:37:07 AM)
As far as luck, I would point to the amount of one score victories over those two seasons. You have to be good to pile up that kind of that kind of record. Not to nitpick, but the Giants playoff game was close. It came down to Cousins 1 yard check down Charely on 4th and 8.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/17/2025 12:22:24 PM)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45523859/nfl-minnesota-vikings-jj-mccarthy-quarterback Over time, NFL quarterbacks must master at least three different levels of passes: line drives, those that rise and fall quickly for intermediate targets and those with enough arc to hang in the air for longer-developing routes. This spring, it was clear that McCarthy was experimenting with the levels, the same way a baseball pitcher might test and try to expand his repertoire during spring training. That might have been the case when McCarthy spotted receiver Jordan Addison open deep down the right seam. McCarthy's throw forced Addison to slow down to make the catch, enough of a delay that a defensive back in a game situation might have had time to break up the play. Speaking generally, McCarthy said he was experimenting with his throws "every single day" this spring and added: "I believe I've grown the most on just the different level of trajectories of throw. At Michigan, I was kind of a one-speed pitch kind of guy. I had a couple deeper balls with level-three throws and stuff like that, but [I'm] just working on that two-ball and different paces to the 'pitches' and ball location." Not exactly news but kinda scary to see JJM's take on the subject. Easy to envision wayward or errant throws that are really attributed to his lack of experience with other types of throws. That is, plays where he knows he is unable to drop the ball in there so he ends up throwing a zinger wide of the target. Sounds like a golfer who drives well but has just started to work on the mid-range/approach/putting game. Total work in progress.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/17/2025 12:32:09 PM)
And it's NOT "the same way a baseball pitcher might test and try to expand his repertoire during spring training." MLB pitchers work on all their stuff to include their 3rd and 4th pitch types, and maybe even test out a 5th.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/17/2025 4:45:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Exactly. I'm as optimistic as anyone about KOC but you have to look at his record and wonder. Was it great coaching, luck...something else? The good: 14 and 13 win seasons in just 3 years. Has made journeymen QB's and first round "busts" have really good seasons. The ugly: 0-2 in the playoffs and the games haven't been particularly close. With KC's you knew what you were getting. With Darnold, you didn't. He had bad games but was largely spectacular during the season but fell flat on his face when it mattered most. That said, KOC's playcalling in the Det/LAR's game left a lot to be desired. Enter JJM. No clue how he's going to do but you have expect lumps. If he doesn't give them, great! But....you have to expect some. My biggest take away from this season isn't him though, it's KOC. This O is loaded on paper. How does the offense "look". I don't give a crap about stats/wins ect. How do we function, as an offense, against the really good D's and in/around the playoff type games. 13/14 win seasons are fun but mean nothing when you get trounced in the first round. I like the Oline/Dline/Running Game additions......as big as the C/LG/RG additions have been the backup LT we signed is very important. Same applies for the DLINE. Interior of both lines as long as they stay healthy should really help us in the playoffs......it is what gave Philly such a big advantage.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/19/2025 6:41:24 PM)
Thanks to Toby for contacting Eric

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/20/2025 8:00:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Exactly. I'm as optimistic as anyone about KOC but you have to look at his record and wonder. Was it great coaching, luck...something else? The good: 14 and 13 win seasons in just 3 years. Has made journeymen QB's and first round "busts" have really good seasons. The ugly: 0-2 in the playoffs and the games haven't been particularly close. With KC's you knew what you were getting. With Darnold, you didn't. He had bad games but was largely spectacular during the season but fell flat on his face when it mattered most. That said, KOC's playcalling in the Det/LAR's game left a lot to be desired. Enter JJM. No clue how he's going to do but you have expect lumps. If he doesn't give them, great! But....you have to expect some. My biggest take away from this season isn't him though, it's KOC. This O is loaded on paper. How does the offense "look". I don't give a crap about stats/wins ect. How do we function, as an offense, against the really good D's and in/around the playoff type games. 13/14 win seasons are fun but mean nothing when you get trounced in the first round. I will be curious how well we run the ball. KOC's run designing has not been very good for the most part thus far. Especially short yardage. Much of that can be placed at the IOL's feet but I haven't seen much misdirection or clever play designs to counter said weaknesses. Another aspect is the knack (as a play caller) to keep a defense off balance by mixing the run vs pass. Pat Shurmer was very good at this back in 17. His screen pass designs have been very poor. Too wide of the hash marks and too slow developing where they get blown up almost immediately. All of this is very important to keep the chains moving and not putting too much on JJM's plate. If he continues to only go after chunk plays with slow developing routes it could be a lot of 3 and outs. There is plenty of tape on how O'Connell likes to run his offense. He has a very well rounded offense that will be capable of adding different facets to the game. Hopefully he utilizes this and grows as a coach.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/10/2025 9:11:12 PM)
Its horrible to hear about Turner getting scammed. Regardless of how it went down, his gulibility etc. There’s no lower rung in hell than the scammer rung. There’s absolutely no silver lining in it, at all … although … starting out the season as an embittered sourpuss engine of vengeance might help the team. Of course, thats so less important for me than recovering the funds and prosecuting the perpatrators. Of course.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/11/2025 8:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Its horrible to hear about Turner getting scammed. Regardless of how it went down, his gulibility etc. There’s no lower rung in hell than the scammer rung. There’s absolutely no silver lining in it, at all … although … starting out the season as an embittered sourpuss engine of vengeance might help the team. Of course, thats so less important for me than recovering the funds and prosecuting the perpatrators. Of course. Agreed. Go out and earn your own your own damn money. At least Turner has the financial wherewithal and future earning power to overcome this. The seniors that these scumbags so frequently target, get their savings wiped out with no way to recoup it. Special place in hell for these people.

Karl Juhnke -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/11/2025 8:40:52 AM)
Not blaming Turner, he made a dumb mistake. It happens. But young athletes who are suddenly millionaires are in serious need of a trusted financial advisor company. There is no way anyone should do transactions of that magnitude without running it past professionals. Lesson learned. Hopefully he’ll have a long successful career to do better.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/14/2025 9:25:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Its horrible to hear about Turner getting scammed. Regardless of how it went down, his gulibility etc. There’s no lower rung in hell than the scammer rung. There’s absolutely no silver lining in it, at all … although … starting out the season as an embittered sourpuss engine of vengeance might help the team. Of course, thats so less important for me than recovering the funds and prosecuting the perpatrators. Of course. Agreed. Go out and earn your own your own damn money. At least Turner has the financial wherewithal and future earning power to overcome this. The seniors that these scumbags so frequently target, get their savings wiped out with no way to recoup it. Special place in hell for these people. My office is in a bank. My brother works the counter at a post office. Between just the two of us we see a minimum of three cases per month where a senior is trying to withdraw all her cash (once as much as $160,000) and/or mail cash to a scammer. The banks and post offices intervene and stop a lot of these scams but many are successful. It's such an enormous and widespread problem.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/15/2025 10:11:09 AM)
Turner is a fool. These players have had seminars and such, plus they've probably heard about instances where other people were scammed. Turner then went to two Chase Bank branches to transfer $120,000 each to "Island Food Truck LLC"* and "CNL FL LLC."* Really? So through his stupidity he has enriched the scammer enterprise so they can go out and hire more scammers. Different opinion for old people.

Lars -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/16/2025 10:24:57 AM)
The "take cash and go buy a bunch of gift cards and read me the codes, but don't tell anyone what you are doing and don't hang up because of XXX manufactured crisis/emergency" one is another nasty one. An employee at one of my wife's businesses fell for this. Luckily, before she went too deep, the cashier at a Rite-Aid figured it out and snapped her out of the scammer's trance. Lots of social media data out there for some good old social engineering and phishing. Pond scum.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/16/2025 6:23:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Turner is a fool. These players have had seminars and such, plus they've probably heard about instances where other people were scammed. Turner then went to two Chase Bank branches to transfer $120,000 each to "Island Food Truck LLC"* and "CNL FL LLC."* Really? So through his stupidity he has enriched the scammer enterprise so they can go out and hire more scammers. Different opinion for old people. Well ... I've never been scammed out of $240,000 but I can relate ... I've been scammed by the same football franchise every year ... since the late '60s, that a SB victory is within reach ... every ... freakin' ... year. I no longer voice optimism about it, but deep down in my lower animal brain, where the lizard is doing pushups, I still clutch on to the possibility. There has been a lot of fun along the way yes, however, if I added up all the periods of consternation and disappointment and put a dollar figure on it – it'd probably come out to something like $241,000.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/17/2025 6:43:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Turner is a fool. These players have had seminars and such, plus they've probably heard about instances where other people were scammed. Turner then went to two Chase Bank branches to transfer $120,000 each to "Island Food Truck LLC"* and "CNL FL LLC."* Really? So through his stupidity he has enriched the scammer enterprise so they can go out and hire more scammers. Different opinion for old people. Lack of brain power may well have been one of the reasons he wasn't on the field much last season. To actually go to his bank and not even talk to somebody (since your there) to confirm wth was going on makes you wonder. On the flip side he was able to follow the scammers intructions to a tee.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/17/2025 7:30:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Turner is a fool. These players have had seminars and such, plus they've probably heard about instances where other people were scammed. Turner then went to two Chase Bank branches to transfer $120,000 each to "Island Food Truck LLC"* and "CNL FL LLC."* Really? So through his stupidity he has enriched the scammer enterprise so they can go out and hire more scammers. Different opinion for old people. Lack of brain power may well have been one of the reasons he wasn't on the field much last season. To actually go to his bank and not even talk to somebody (since your there) to confirm wth was going on makes you wonder. On the flip side he was able to follow the scammers intructions to a tee. It's not stupidity that is his problem here. It is Naivete. He's only about 22 years old. He hasn't got a lot of experience in the real world yet. Not enough to be cynical about shit like this yet. For older guys like us, we're like DUH!!! Not falling for that bullshit... And his "brainpower" had nothing to due with his lack of snaps. Van Ginkel and Greenard were getting the job done too well and were taking most of the snaps. When he got opportunities he didn't waste them...did pretty well.

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