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Guest -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (12/24/2012 11:21:37 AM)

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vs Jax W
at IND W
vs SF L
at DET L
vs TEN W
at Wash W
vs ARI W
vs TB W
at Sea L
vs Det W
Bye
at Chi L
at GB L
vs Chi L
at Stl W
at Hou W
vs GB L




9-7 miss playoffs


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There is no way this team wins 9 games.  No way.

We will choke against Jax and Indianapolis.

Houston will beat us in Houston in December

And we will find a way to blow all our games against our division.

Sorry, if this team wins 5 games this year...I will be amazed.



Yep, Last season in Minnesota and they are going to be under .500. 


And the funny thing is...I'm usually one of the optimists around here.




I've been waiting a long time for this post of glory! No disrespect meant to any of the responders. To see how I really feel about the nine wins (and maybe more!) just click the link and Will Ferrell will show you. NSFW



http://youtu.be/VLQ3s2o_z5w


All I can say is this:  I am very glad I was wrong.

I heard a guy on the radio actually complain that we are just setting ourselves up for another epic fail either next week or in the playoffs.

I just started laughing.  Some people are just never happy.  The fact that we've tripled our win total from last year with a game to go yet and controlling our own destiny wrt playoffs is beyond amazing.  This improvement has been remarkable.  It is a testament to the front office and coaching staff that we've come this far this fast.






Yep, amazing when you consider losing perhaps one of our best players in Harvin (With that crew of WR's) to still triple our win total. Harvin, along with AD were the heart, and soul of our offense. I guess we didn't give our stout defense enough credit....

Hell of a job Vikes!




marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (12/30/2012 8:48:45 AM)

Vikes 33
Packers 17




Mark Anderson -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (12/30/2012 9:24:44 AM)

Vikes 27

Pack 23




Murph -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (12/30/2012 10:47:24 AM)

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Vikes 33
Packers 17



Today




Murph -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (12/30/2012 10:47:54 AM)

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Vikes 27

Pack 23


Next week




Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (12/31/2012 12:14:07 PM)

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Looking at our schedule this is my first prediction.

vs Jax W - Our DLine will swarm Gabbert to a handful of spikes and terrible passes. Low scoring 20-10

at IND L - Luck has a strong game vs our porous pass D after he struggled in the first game vs Chicago. Surprisingly high scoring game. 31-27

vs SF W - Surprise win here. The 49ers porous OLine strugles and we get to Smith. Ponder makes smart decisiosn and only has 1 TO, Walsh hits his first GW FG. 20-17 

at DET L - Ponder has his worst game of the season, sacked 5 times and 3 TO. 34-13

vs TEN W - Handle Johnson, and Ponder bounces back with a solid performance. AD has best game of the season with 150+ yds and 2 TDs. 27-17

at Wash L - We always beat them when it doesn't count (like last 2 seasons and lose to them when it matters like (1987, 1992, 2004, 2007). This is somewhere in between, but i think a desperate Skins teams gets what might be there first win here. 23-20  

vs ARI W - We'll handle teams with poor QBs at home most of the time and this is no different. 24-17

vs TB W Prime time game first one in the Metrodome since Favre's first game vs the Pack. The corwd gets amped up. We get up to a big lead and Freeman leads the Bucs back but it's not ebough. 24-20

at Sea L - 10 days to prepare helps but in hostile environment Ponder struggles. Their DLine destorys our OLine and Rice has 2 TDs. 24-10

vs Det W - Finally end the division losing streak. Get to Stafford even though he puts up 400 yards. Harvin has his best game of the season and scores a hat trick; 1 TD reception, 1 rushing and returns a KO for a TD. 31-24

Bye

at Chi L - This is a given every year. The defense gets gashed on the ground and the offense struggle in the red zone. 31-13

at GB L - Previous loss damages confidence and Packers passing game too much. Ponder struggles with blitzes. 38-17

vs Chi L - A once promising season begins to unravel. Cutler throws 4 TDs. 34-17.

at Stl L - Lose a tough game vs an improved Rams team. AD has a big game but so does Stecen Jackson and the Rams DLine rules the day. 20-17.

at Hou L - Texans on a mini losing streak try to right the ship before the playoffs. Depth a concern at this point. 30-21

vs GB L - Might be a win if the Packers have clinched home field. In what would/should probably be Frazier's last game the boys play hard but lose on a late Rodgers TD pass. 28-24 


My predictions were just about spot on until Week 14 and I couldn't be happier to be 100% wrong in the final 4 games. Football is all about momentum and had we lost to the Bears at home, we probably lose at least 2 of the next 3 IMO. But the Bears win and beating a solid Rams team on the road gave us the confidence to take on a reeling Texans team and to put it all out there vs the Pack. I also thought outplaying the Packers for most of the game in GB was a turning point.




J Jeffreys -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/2/2013 1:32:13 AM)

Found this from May 27

Just for fun, the offseason clicks for Ponder and the OL and AP rehabs beyond expectation. The D is healthy. The newcomers fit in right away and the scheme fits with the players we have. Coaches don't puke in the second half of games the team is leading by double digits. Assuming a turnover ratio of even Steven...

Jax W, at INDY W, SF W (only if we win the turnover battle in that game), @ DET L (Sorry. They are going to win in Detroit unless we get lots of turnovers), TEN W, @ WASH W (we get ups on both top draft picks and prove ownership of DC), AZ W (It's a loss in AZ), TB W (again gotta win the turnover battle here), @ SEA W (T Jack's last ever start), DET W (We get revenge at home)

That's 9-1 at the bye with 4 of 6 remaining games and the very next three against GB and Chicago as well as away games in Houston and SL. But at 9-1, the Vikings would have a ton of confidence and would probably only need another win to get in the playoffs.

Not exactly Karnac but was anyone else predicting 10-6 and playoffs back then? Childress made a comment shortly after questioning my smoking material. For the record I prefer Dominican but there are some domestic cigars I thoroughly enjoy.

Gotta admit to a bit of smugness due to an extrreme case of Kiltymistic prognostication.




marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/2/2013 9:31:56 PM)

There may have been others, but I don't recall anyone else thinking 10-6. If you're THAT accurate, I hope you also predicted them to go all the way and win the SB [;)].




Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 9:19:31 AM)

Texans 24 Bengals 17
Texans bounce back somewhat. They're defense will get to Dalton, Joseph can contain Green and the crowd will give the Texans a boost.

Vikes 27 Pack 24 (Purple shades on!)
Ponder is the difference and AD only runs for 160. Wright has first 100 yds game, Ponder rushes for 55 yds, 3 first downs on 3rd downs. Smith picks off Rodgers and Griffen briefly knocks Rodgers out of the game.

Ravens 27 Colts 17
Ravens at home are a different bird, Flacco plays fearless at home, different story on the road. Ravens get a big in this game and Colts make the score respectable in the end.

Redskins 24 Seahawks 21
RGIII beats Wilson. RGIII leads the Skins on a game winning TD drive with 2 mins left. Wilson gets the ball back withjust under 2 mins left but he gets intercepted, ending a game with 6 lead changes.




marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 10:36:25 AM)

Bengals 27 Texans 24

Texans have lost their intimidation at home, and they can be beaten by a team that gets physical with them. Cincy can get physical.

Vikes 27 Pack 41

The difference is WRs, the Packers have 5 great ones, the Vikes ??? I hope I'm overestimating the Packers and underestimating the Vikes. Ponder has taken baby steps, but Rodgers is still on a different level and the game is in Lambau. I also think Peterson is going to score all 3 of the Vikings' TDs (Walsh gets 2 FGs, there is 1 2 pt conv), and set the single game playoff rushing record with 263 yards.

Colts 24 Ravens 21

Win it for the coach, will push the Colts farther than people expect.

Seahawks 41 Redskins 13

Seahawks are hot, and will knock RGIII out of the game.

I kind of think the league would like to have Seattle at GB for the NFC Championship as the rematch will really draw in veiwers. Denver and Indy will draw some intrigue. And NE and Denver in the AFC Championship seems most logical. We'll see.

I'm sticking with Denver to win it all, as I predicted here before the season started. I was quite wrong about Chicago representing the NFC, I should have figured Tice wasn't going to be a great OC. The Vikes should be thankful they have Musgrave, he is better than Tice, and might be better than thought as Peterson has had quite a year. I wonder what Musgrave's offense would have looked like if he had had strong QBing all year, along with a better WR corps, it is still pretty weak IMO.

Right now, I'm going with Denver over Seattle in the SB.




SoMnFan -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 11:17:32 AM)

From Bill Barnwell, Grantland Writer
(don't kill the messenger)


Minnesota Vikings (10-6) at Green Bay Packers (11-5)
After Adrian Peterson's stunning performance led the Vikings to a 37-34 victory over the Packers on Sunday afternoon, the story lines surrounding this game have turned Saturday's playoff tilt into a matchup of Peterson versus the entire Packers team. "If the Packers can't stop Peterson," the logic goes, "they can't win." Well, the Packers certainly haven't been able to stop Peterson this season, but I don't think it's quite that clear-cut. It seems extremely likely that the Vikings would need a big game from Peterson to win; it just also seems entirely possible that the Vikings could get another heroic performance from their star running back and still lose.
All Day … Until the Postseason?
Although the league is no longer geared toward building an offense around one dynamic running back, the history of elite running backs and the teams that surround them has actually been relatively consistent across eras. There are 20 instances in NFL history of a back running for 1,800 yards in a season or more, a group that Peterson joined for the first time with his stunning, MVP-worthy 2,097-yard campaign this year. There's a built-in selection bias dictating that those players' respective teams do well during the regular season; no bad team is going to be able to hand the ball to a running back frequently enough to get him to 1,800 yards, because a below-average team will be throwing to catch up far too frequently. Indeed, each of those 20 teams had a record of .500 or better, and 15 of the 20 teams made the playoffs during their star's breakout year, just as Peterson's Vikings did this year. Were they able to sustain their success during the postseason?
Not really, no. Of the 14 non-Peterson playoff teams, nine were knocked out of the playoffs in their very first contest. Altogether, their teams were a collective 9-13 in the postseason, and only one of the 14 backs in question, Terrell Davis, won the Super Bowl during his starring campaign. He also had John Elway at quarterback, and Christian Ponder is no John Elway. Shaun Alexander and Jamal Anderson were on teams that went to the Super Bowl during their big seasons, and they had more pedestrian quarterbacks, but even Matt Hasselbeck and Chris Chandler were viewed as way ahead of where Ponder is at this point in his career.
The backs also saw a dip in their production during the playoffs. After averaging 5.3 yards per carry with 123.6 rushing yards per game during the regular season, the backs combined to run for 4.5 yards per attempt and just 90.7 yards per game. Those numbers are still respectable, of course, but the superior competition and likely improvement in opposing run defenses were enough to slow these elite backs down.
You might be inclined to argue that Peterson doesn't belong in a class with mere 1,800-yard backs like Anderson and Tiki Barber, and maybe you're right. But there's a cautionary tale for Vikings fans with the one back that everybody respects, and it happens to include the Green Bay Packers. In 1994, Barry Sanders kicked off a four-year stretch of ridiculous performances by running for 1,883 yards on 331 attempts, leading the league in both yards per carry (5.7) and rushing yards per game (117.7). Although he had a 47-yard game against the Packers during his first game against Green Bay that year, his second appearance against them saw him run for 188 yards on 20 carries. You would have expected Sanders to be at his mercurial best when the Lions traveled to Green Bay for the wild-card game … and Sanders ran for -1 yards on 13 carries.7 It was the worst performance of Sanders's legendary career, and it came after a four-game stretch in which he ran the ball 72 times for 477 yards. He wasn't quite as hot as Peterson's been over the final quarter of the season, but nobody expected Sanders to have a bad game, let alone one with negative yardage.
Let's bring it back closer to home. We've certainly seen Peterson lead the Vikings into the playoffs over the final quarter of the season, with a four-game winning streak from the Vikings coinciding with a 651-yard stretch from AD, but has Peterson noticeably played better in Minnesota's wins than in their losses? Actually, that doesn't really appear to be the case:





2012 Split
Atts
Yds
Yds/Carry
Rush Yds/Gm
Scrimmage Yds/Gm


Wins
244
1,335
5.5
133.5
142.7

Losses
104
762
7.3
127.0
147.8
Unsurprisingly, Peterson carries the ball more frequently when Minnesota's winning (and not forced to throw to catch up), but he's been more efficient in Minnesota's losses and actually been more productive in those six defeats when you toss in his work as a receiver. What those numbers suggest to me, admittedly in a small sample, is that Peterson can play brilliantly and the Vikings can still lose.
Can Peterson somehow manage to avoid playing brilliantly against the Packers? He's certainly owned them this year. Having run for 409 yards on 55 carries against Green Bay this year, Peterson became just the seventh back since 1960 to rush for more than 400 yards against one team in a single season.8 The only arguments weighing in Green Bay's favor seem to revolve around regression toward the mean; even the best running back in football history wouldn't be able to run for 200 yards per game against the Packers game after game, right? The Packers will hope that a returning Charles Woodson will help, with Woodson likely spotting in as a safety in and around the line of scrimmage. He certainly can't be worse than Tramon Williams, who sank Green Bay's chances with a terrible personal foul penalty that extended a stalled goal-to-go series while mixing in a couple of notable whiffs on possible tackles of Peterson.
In fact, the best argument surrounding Green Bay's defensive prowess is that they've been resting guys and slowly working them back into shape for a playoff run. With a playoff spot seemingly ensured for most of the second half, the Packers haven't rushed Woodson back into the lineup. The team also ramped up Clay Matthews's workload, playing him in 93 percent of snaps last week after he was on the field 51 percent of the time in Week 16. One downside of playing the Vikings, though, is that it doesn't allow the Packers to line up with their best 11 defenders on the field. That's their nickel package, and the threat of the Minnesota running game forces the Packers to stay in their base 3-4. That keeps promising rookie ballhawk Casey Hayward off the field and could limit Woodson's usage on Saturday.
Yeah, But …
Let's say Peterson gets his numbers — even if it's not a single-game rushing record, he puts up 25 carries, 140 yards, and a touchdown. You know what? Go crazy. Two touchdowns. What else can we really expect the Vikings to bring to the table beyond Peterson? Last Sunday, they weren't able to stop Aaron Rodgers. He threw for 365 yards and four touchdowns without top target Randall Cobb in the lineup, notably abusing Vikings nickel cornerback A.J. Jefferson for an entire drive without any recourse for Minnesota. Rodgers might not produce numbers quite that pristine again, but it's hard to see how the Vikings stop him without an otherworldly game from Jared Allen. The shoulder injury sapping the strength of Vikings end Brian Robison is a hidden killer, since it allows the Packers to focus further upon Allen while Robison plays through his injury at far less than 100 percent.
So if we assume that Peterson and Rodgers have productive days, it feels like the game falls on the shoulders of Christian Ponder. Ponder had just about the best game of his career on Sunday, and the Vikings were only able to win by three. Ponder went 16-of-28 for 234 yards with three scores and no picks, notably hitting Jarius Wright with a perfect 65-yard bomb up the seam. He continued his maddening habit of throwing scary floated lobs into the end zone, a play that worked when Michael Jenkins caught it for a touchdown. After converting 35.4 percent of his third downs (in 14-point games) through the first 15 games of the year, Ponder went 6-for-12 in picking up third downs last Sunday. That's only two more first downs than we would "expect" from the 35.4 percent clip, but those two extra conversions might have been enough to seal the game.
That Ponder performance was also notably at home, where he's been a much better player this year. Ponder's completed 63.7 percent of his passes while throwing in the domes of Minnesota this year, averaging seven yards per attempt while throwing nearly two touchdowns for every interception. Outside on the road, though, Ponder's a middling checkdown artist: He averages just 5.3 yards per attempt, his completion percentage falls to 60.7 percent, and he throws nearly one interception for each pick. He's not the same guy. And neither is Blair Walsh, who hasn't missed a kick at home this year (a perfect 16-for-16) while going 19-for-22 on the road.
So after all the Peterson hype gets washed away, I think Minnesota's chances really depend upon Ponder. If he can make it two consecutive big games in a row, hit a big play or two, and avoid turning over the ball, the Vikings have a shot at winning in Lambeau. I just don't think the odds of that happening are very high.
The Prediction
Green Bay 31, Minnesota 17




marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 11:36:42 AM)

I was NOT surprised the Packers shut Barry out that year in the playoffs. The Packers had a very good defense then, and had shut him down earlier in the season. Barry never did much in the playoffs because he was more of a guy that AVOIDED tackles than breaking from them. And those kind of backs usually get shut down in playoff games, you have to be able to break tackles because you're usually playing better defenses in the playoffs.

I think Peterson will still have a big game and that it won't be enough.

The vikes should try to get Felton to lay some nasty blocks on Woodson, get Woodson wishing he was on the bench resting and not trying to chase Peterson down after getting pounded.




Ed_Marotske -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 12:00:16 PM)

I was browsing through a Packer thread....they are hoping significant injury on Peterson.  What a bunch of rubes!




Prescott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 1:41:21 PM)

Well, that is their only chance of stopping him, I suppose [:'(]




J Jeffreys -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 1:51:17 PM)

Bracing for the onslaught after this comment.

The Vikings can win with Gerhart if AP goes down. The big play will be virtually impossible. This team was built on methodical first downs. Breakaways and deep balls are a luxury here.

Turnovers and penalties as always.

Go Vikings!!




Ed_Marotske -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 1:53:52 PM)

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David Levine -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 1:56:28 PM)

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Bracing for the onslaught after this comment.

The Vikings can win with Gerhart if AP goes down. The big play will be virtually impossible. This team was built on methodical first downs. Breakaways and deep balls are a luxury here.

Turnovers and penalties as always.

Go Vikings!!


Do not see it. At all.

Toby isn't going to get those yards after contact the AD does. And GB would put more men into coverage, limiting our passing game, because Toby Gerhart is not going to beat teams.




Todd M -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 2:18:37 PM)

No way man!!!

The OL has been getting a lot of cred for run blocking but I think we have seen that last few weeks that they are up against it and AD is having to make a lot out of nothing.

They don't have to make near the same effort to bottle Gerhart up. And no way Ponder could handle the more difficult looks by defenses.

If the opposite had happened and AD's knee made him a no go this year we would be picking 1st.




Mark Anderson -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 2:21:08 PM)

Vikes 27

Pack 24




J Jeffreys -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 2:44:03 PM)

Wow. Generous, kinder gentler board today. A laugh. A do not see it at all. And a no way man!!!

I understand the skepticism. And it doesn't matter because AP will go AD against GB.

As for this topic on Toby? AD. As in another day.




Prescott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 2:52:29 PM)

The Vikes winning with Toby over AD?

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NEXT!




Prescott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 2:58:18 PM)

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Toby isn't going to get those yards after contact the AD does. And GB would put more men into coverage, limiting our passing game, because Toby Gerhart is not going to beat teams.


Didn't he finish with over 1k yards after contact?

This season was built on AD and the beast like yards he got after getting hit. Pretty much made the whole season.




J Jeffreys -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 3:03:25 PM)

Prescott,

THERE it is [:)] I didn't say winning with Toby OVER Peterson. If Peterson goes down, the Vikings CAN win with Toby. Not indefinitely, not every game. But, yes. The Vikings can win with Toby if they need to do so.

Hopefully we won't find out.

I'm sure many oif the current scoffers weren't with me when I predicited in May the Vikings could go 10-6 and make the playoffs.

Next [:)]




J Jeffreys -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 3:07:17 PM)

David - Toby isn't going to get those yards after contact the AD does. And GB would put more men into coverage, limiting our passing game, because Toby Gerhart is not going to beat teams.

The game plan with Toby would rely more on Ponder, more on converting third and short, the OL continuing to create holes only more of them and bigger holes, a strong defensive effort, great special teams, etc.

BTW, since Peterson went down in Washington, my point is already proven.

The Vikings can win with Toby if AP goes down. History proves it.

Next




David Levine -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2013 3:17:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: J Jeffreys

BTW, since Peterson went down in Washington, my point is already proven.

The Vikings can win with Toby if AP goes down. History proves it.

Next


You're right. We can beat a 5 win team in a meaningless late season game if AD and Ponder both go down.




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