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David Levine -> RE: College Basketball (3/28/2009 9:54:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pete C

As much as it pains me to say it, I think the first pick (regardless who gets it) may be Thabeet. 

I think Griffin is 6'-9" at best and that may slow some teams down on him. 

Bryant Gumbel did a piece on Real Sports about Jennings.  At the end of it he said that they talked to 10 NBA GM's and asked them where they thought Jennings would be drafted.  Some said top 10 and some said NOT even top 20.  Made me wonder how many teams are actually sending someone to Rome to scout him.

Rubio and Young would be great.  They'd fill the seats.

I'm not big on Thabeet, but if they could work out a good trade for either Al or Love, I wouldn't be horribly disappointed with Thabeet.  Love would probably have to be the guy to trade though.  You're not going to get any offense out of Thabeet for several years.

I know, this should be on another thread, but hell, hardly anybody posts here anyway.


Thabeet still scares me. I love his shotblocking, but he looks so timid and awkward at times out there. I see him really struggling if teams are allowed to be physical against him.

I think Aldrich and Love would be a really good 4/5 combo, but Aldrich's HS buddy on TWolvesCentral said that after the loss Cole seems really determined to stay in school another year.

Going back to my "ideal scenario" of Rubio and Young with our pick and Miami's, I'd be tempted to work a trade back up into the late teens/early 20s with the Boston and Utah picks and take a flyer on BJ Mullens if he comes out like he's saying.

He's a HUGE project and he should probably spend a full year in the D-League, but if he works out he'd be a great addition. And it would give us a good year to see how Love and Jefferson play together or decide if we want to move one of them.



Guest -> RE: College Basketball (3/28/2009 10:22:53 PM)

Aldrich could be a top 3 pick, next year, and I really think he should stay. 

I wasn't a big fan of Love coming out, be he surprised and impressed me.  Aldrich simply cannot run the floor like he would need to for the NBA.  He also gets tired in the half court set and settles for mid-range shots way too often.  Who knows, maybe he could have the same magic transformation that Love had, but I doubt it.  He disappears too often.  Personally, I think Aldrich, if he comes out, would be a lesser version of Love.  I don't see that combination working.

Mullens needs a ton of work and he's so limited athletically that it would be a big gamble.

Thabeet scares me too, but the Wolves need a center, even if it's only defense for now.  I think his footwork sucks and he has very little lower body strength, but I think he's coachable. 



djskillz -> RE: College Basketball (3/28/2009 10:46:11 PM)

I'd agree with a lot of that, not surprisingly.  Aldrich does have potential to maybe be a Pryz type guy, but probably not yet.

And yes, the Wolves still need a true C, for defensive purposes, in the worst way.



Steve Lentz -> RE: College Basketball (3/28/2009 10:50:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I'd agree with a lot of that, not surprisingly.  Aldrich does have potential to maybe be a Pryz type guy, but probably not yet.

And yes, the Wolves still need a true C, for defensive purposes, in the worst way.


I think EVERYONE is in agreement about the Wolves needing a defensive center. Actually we need improvement defensively in a lot of positions.



David Levine -> RE: College Basketball (3/28/2009 11:48:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pete C

Aldrich could be a top 3 pick, next year, and I really think he should stay. 

I wasn't a big fan of Love coming out, be he surprised and impressed me.  Aldrich simply cannot run the floor like he would need to for the NBA.  He also gets tired in the half court set and settles for mid-range shots way too often.  Who knows, maybe he could have the same magic transformation that Love had, but I doubt it.  He disappears too often.  Personally, I think Aldrich, if he comes out, would be a lesser version of Love.  I don't see that combination working.

Mullens needs a ton of work and he's so limited athletically that it would be a big gamble.

Thabeet scares me too, but the Wolves need a center, even if it's only defense for now.  I think his footwork sucks and he has very little lower body strength, but I think he's coachable. 


I'm not a fan, but if he's still on the blocks, I'd reopen talks with Chicago about Noah. There is something off about him, but he's long, athletic and is a very good rebounder and shotblocker. He'd work as the 3rd guy in our 4/5 rotation. And like I said above, I think if we actually had some guys that played perimeter defense, I think you'd see a big jump in both Al and Love's defensive effectiveness.



TheGonz -> RE: College Basketball (3/29/2009 12:38:56 AM)

If we miss out on Rubio, whether he's actually in this year's draft or not, what's everyone's impression of Brandon Jennings?  I think he could be a breath of fresh air at the PG spot for the Wolves.

I'm looking around at some NBA Mocks (and you can find a ton of them here), and Jennings seems to be the first or second PG off the board, depending on the presence of Rubio in said drafts.

Would Jennings at 5 and, say, a Patrick Patterson or Jerome Jordan at #20 work for anyone?



djskillz -> RE: College Basketball (3/29/2009 12:53:50 AM)

I like Patterson a lot, but really, he'd just be another PF to the mix on a team that already has 2 that they've invested heavily in.  Hell, they need to trade one of those 2 longterm still IMO, not add another one.



David Levine -> RE: College Basketball (3/29/2009 11:51:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheGonz

If we miss out on Rubio, whether he's actually in this year's draft or not, what's everyone's impression of Brandon Jennings?  I think he could be a breath of fresh air at the PG spot for the Wolves.

I'm looking around at some NBA Mocks (and you can find a ton of them here), and Jennings seems to be the first or second PG off the board, depending on the presence of Rubio in said drafts.

Would Jennings at 5 and, say, a Patrick Patterson or Jerome Jordan at #20 work for anyone?


Jennings is a tough one to gauge since we don't get to see him play. If we end up around not getting Rubio, I'm starting to be swayed towards (god help me) Thabeet with our 1st pick, and maybe Ty Lawson with Miami's. And I'd still trade whatever I could (Boston pick, Utah pick, Smith or Miller?) to get Sam Young. I think if Thabeet works out as a player, he may be a long term better fit with Love (Thabeet and Jefferson seem more likely to occupy the same space) and then Jefferson would eventually become a really nice trading chip. Miller, Smith and Telfair all become very expendable.

Lawson/Foye/Telfair
Young/Foye/Carney
Brewer/Gomes/Carney
Love/Jefferson/Cardinal
Jefferson/Thabeet/Cardinal



Steve Lentz -> RE: College Basketball (3/29/2009 3:47:19 PM)

How about them Spartans. Nice win and shows they play some ball in the Big 10.



Pete M. -> RE: College Basketball (3/29/2009 9:42:04 PM)

Seth Curry is transferring to Duke.



djskillz -> RE: College Basketball (3/31/2009 7:21:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Seth Curry is transferring to Duke.


That guard rotation in 2010-11 is going to be unbelievable.  Just need a big man with them.  Hopefully the Plumlee brothers can live up to it.



Jim Frenette -> RE: College Basketball (4/1/2009 10:30:56 AM)

I see Calipari jumped ships when he that some great recruits coming in to Memphis. Since they already committed, don't they need to school to release them in order to follow the coach?



Jeff Jesser -> RE: College Basketball (4/1/2009 10:47:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

How about them Spartans. Nice win and shows they play some ball in the Big 10.



Yeap, it's funny but I'm sure I read on here that the Big 10 was crap and MSU was totally overrated.  [8D]



Guest -> RE: College Basketball (4/1/2009 10:40:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

How about them Spartans. Nice win and shows they play some ball in the Big 10.



Yeap, it's funny but I'm sure I read on here that the Big 10 was crap and MSU was totally overrated.  [8D]

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I think I disputed the opinion that the Big 10 was crap.  My position was that the Big 10 was full of a bunch of mediocre teams.  And I think that's accurate.  MSU surprised me, and happened to play their best basketball of the season in the tourney (which is a good thing) but there is no possible way that the Big 10 was the best conference in the country, no matter what the Sagarin ratings say.

I will happily admit that Izzo is, without a doubt, one of the top 3 coaches in the country.



djskillz -> RE: College Basketball (4/1/2009 11:48:49 PM)

Agreed.  Just because one team had a 2-3 game stretch of good games at the right time does not mean that a conference is good.  The Big10 still is/was not a good conference this year, at all.



So.Mn.Fan -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 4:12:56 PM)

Who's everybody got today?
I'm gonna go the boring-route and pick the favorites.
UConn by 10
UNC by 8
And hope I'm wrong on both counts.



Jim Frenette -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 5:12:59 PM)

Scott you're kidding right? The LPGA Tournament is on at the same time[8D]



Jim Frenette -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 5:14:21 PM)

I see Memphis to recruit has withdrawn his commitment. Can he do that? Didn't Coleman have to sit a year after withdrawing from BC?



djskillz -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 5:28:03 PM)

When there's a coaching change you can definitely change your mind, Jim.  And I have absolutely no problem with that.  A coach should be about 50 percent of why you choose a school as a top player.

And for the record, I'm choosing UNC and UConn as well.  But then again, this has been my worst tournament at predicting in my lifetime.



So.Mn.Fan -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 6:12:26 PM)

MSU hanging tough, down 2 at half.



Jim Frenette -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 6:46:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

When there's a coaching change you can definitely change your mind, Jim.  And I have absolutely no problem with that.  A coach should be about 50 percent of why you choose a school as a top player.

And for the record, I'm choosing UNC and UConn as well.  But then again, this has been my worst tournament at predicting in my lifetime.


I'm sorry Dustin, I don't like it. I think he can change but sit out a year like any other transfer.

Since Kentucky likes to graduate their players more then Memphis cares to, I wonder if Calipari can get the same type players. This kid that is leaving wants to go to Kansas and I don't think Self wants any 1 years wonders like this kid appears to be



Steve Lentz -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 6:48:21 PM)

Thabeet seems to jog every time down the court. His game will need to develop both mentally and physically to have any serious impact in the NBA.



djskillz -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 7:09:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

When there's a coaching change you can definitely change your mind, Jim.  And I have absolutely no problem with that.  A coach should be about 50 percent of why you choose a school as a top player.

And for the record, I'm choosing UNC and UConn as well.  But then again, this has been my worst tournament at predicting in my lifetime.


I'm sorry Dustin, I don't like it. I think he can change but sit out a year like any other transfer.

Since Kentucky likes to graduate their players more then Memphis cares to, I wonder if Calipari can get the same type players. This kid that is leaving wants to go to Kansas and I don't think Self wants any 1 years wonders like this kid appears to be


You don't think kids should be allowed to leave if their coach transfers?  That is a HUGE part of the decision-making process.  That's a lot of these kids' livelihoods you're talking about.  I have absolutely no qualms with recruits being able to switch in such a situation.



Steve Lentz -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 7:30:27 PM)

Michigan State doesn't seem overly impressed with the Big East.[;)]



djskillz -> RE: College Basketball (4/4/2009 8:39:17 PM)

Tom Izzo for coach of the year...

because I STILL don't think that team is all that good.



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