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Todd M -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 2:59:21 PM)

The service wasn't really the point. I didn't like being called out for shuffling the dishes over to another table but that was the only knock on the service.


I got the plates shuffled over to me immediately, the etiquette in question was that of my fellow dinners.



Trekgeekscott -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 3:12:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sigh - gotta stop asking unanswerable questions I guess...


(and yes Ricky, everything else about the dinner warranted a 15% tip)


But the tip is explicitly for good service.


If only They wouldn't automatically bill a tip for parties of greater than 6 people.  And at 18%!

Now, I'm a good tipper...I have no problem tipping...but I like it to be my decision.  I decide on the amount.  I hate them determining for me what amount I am going to tip.  I usually tip MORE than 18% if the service was good.  If it wasn't 15% is max.  I hate the automatic tip added to the bill.




Todd M -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 3:16:59 PM)

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I hate the automatic tip added to the bill.


Never heard of such a thing.

I'm 15% if I'm happy. 20% if I'm really happy. I'm not afraid to leave a toonie if the service was bad.



Trekgeekscott -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 3:20:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

quote:

I hate the automatic tip added to the bill.


Never heard of such a thing.

I'm 15% if I'm happy. 20% if I'm really happy. I'm not afraid to leave a toonie if the service was bad.


Don't eat with big groups very often, do you?

Nearly every restaraunt will automatically bill an 18% tip on parties bigger than 6 people. 



Ricky J -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 3:21:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sigh - gotta stop asking unanswerable questions I guess...


(and yes Ricky, everything else about the dinner warranted a 15% tip)


But the tip is explicitly for good service.

I'm with O. You re spending good money to enjoy yourself and she pissed you off. That has to be a slight deduction.

I get that way about dishes in front of me when I'm eating, too. Drives my wife nuts that it drives me nuts. But other than that we're pretty good.[;)]



Prescott -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 3:26:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sigh - gotta stop asking unanswerable questions I guess...


(and yes Ricky, everything else about the dinner warranted a 15% tip)


But the tip is explicitly for good service.


If only They wouldn't automatically bill a tip for parties of greater than 6 people.  And at 18%!

Now, I'm a good tipper...I have no problem tipping...but I like it to be my decision.  I decide on the amount.  I hate them determining for me what amount I am going to tip.  I usually tip MORE than 18% if the service was good.  If it wasn't 15% is max.  I hate the automatic tip added to the bill.


The reason for this is that too often large groups "forget" to tip at all, and it's a large burden on the waitress. They work their ass off, but all it takes is for the one person "in charge" of the tip to be unhappy with the smallest thing, and they then choose to give them the shaft.

On groups over 8, it's basically a necessity. Without it, most servers would refuse large groups because it's so time consuming and takes away from service to others, reducing their other tips by such a large amount.



Trekgeekscott -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 3:32:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prescott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sigh - gotta stop asking unanswerable questions I guess...


(and yes Ricky, everything else about the dinner warranted a 15% tip)


But the tip is explicitly for good service.


If only They wouldn't automatically bill a tip for parties of greater than 6 people.  And at 18%!

Now, I'm a good tipper...I have no problem tipping...but I like it to be my decision.  I decide on the amount.  I hate them determining for me what amount I am going to tip.  I usually tip MORE than 18% if the service was good.  If it wasn't 15% is max.  I hate the automatic tip added to the bill.


The reason for this is that too often large groups "forget" to tip at all, and it's a large burden on the waitress. They work their ass off, but all it takes is for the one person "in charge" of the tip to be unhappy with the smallest thing, and they then choose to give them the shaft.

On groups over 8, it's basically a necessity. Without it, most servers would refuse large groups because it's so time consuming and takes away from service to others, reducing their other tips by such a large amount.


I understand the reasons for it.

But it doesn't mean I have to like it.

One of these days, if I'm feeling cantakerous about it, I'll go all "Randy Moss" about it and protest paying that part of the bill. 



Ricky J -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 3:52:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prescott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sigh - gotta stop asking unanswerable questions I guess...


(and yes Ricky, everything else about the dinner warranted a 15% tip)


But the tip is explicitly for good service.


If only They wouldn't automatically bill a tip for parties of greater than 6 people.  And at 18%!

Now, I'm a good tipper...I have no problem tipping...but I like it to be my decision.  I decide on the amount.  I hate them determining for me what amount I am going to tip.  I usually tip MORE than 18% if the service was good.  If it wasn't 15% is max.  I hate the automatic tip added to the bill.


The reason for this is that too often large groups "forget" to tip at all, and it's a large burden on the waitress. They work their ass off, but all it takes is for the one person "in charge" of the tip to be unhappy with the smallest thing, and they then choose to give them the shaft.

On groups over 8, it's basically a necessity. Without it, most servers would refuse large groups because it's so time consuming and takes away from service to others, reducing their other tips by such a large amount.


I understand the reasons for it.

But it doesn't mean I have to like it.

One of these days, if I'm feeling cantakerous about it, I'll go all "Randy Moss" about it and protest paying that part of the bill. 

I want to see that ...



Prescott -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 4:58:21 PM)

I've seen it, and it's embarrassing.

The argument for not having it is generally "I'm a good tipper anyway", but that goes out the window when someone argues to not pay an autograt. Most reputable establishments note this policy and good servers also make customers aware before service.

There has been a legal precedence established that if you choose to walk out on that part of the bill, you will probably not face jail time. It's still an extreme dickhead move. If your service was extremely poor, you could ask to speak to a manager and explain why you think the amount of the mandatory amount should be reduced.



thebigo -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 5:37:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

The service wasn't really the point. I didn't like being called out for shuffling the dishes over to another table but that was the only knock on the service.


I got the plates shuffled over to me immediately, the etiquette in question was that of my fellow dinners.



LMAO! They're Canadian aren't they?



thebigo -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 5:46:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

I've seen it, and it's embarrassing.

The argument for not having it is generally "I'm a good tipper anyway", but that goes out the window when someone argues to not pay an autograt. Most reputable establishments note this policy and good servers also make customers aware before service.

There has been a legal precedence established that if you choose to walk out on that part of the bill, you will probably not face jail time. It's still an extreme dickhead move. If your service was extremely poor, you could ask to speak to a manager and explain why you think the amount of the mandatory amount should be reduced.


I'd recommend they resort to employing the old "dirtying up otherwise clean tables and creating an eyesore" technique. If they are looking to maintain a modicum of class.



Todd M -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 6:47:03 PM)

For clarification purposes - if I had empty plates, of my own in front of me, I would neither shuffle them off to another table, or care how fast the waitress cleared them.


I just thought it was rude for the diners to my left thinking that they deserved a clear area and that it was ok for me (and the person across from me) to be stuck with their dishes.



JT2 -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 6:58:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

The service wasn't really the point. I didn't like being called out for shuffling the dishes over to another table but that was the only knock on the service.


I got the plates shuffled over to me immediately, the etiquette in question was that of my fellow dinners.



Miss Manners says: Dear Peeved at Plate Pushers, when the diner adjacent to you pushes their plate in front of you, immediately grab the diner by the hair and violently yank his/her head back for easy access to the throat. Then grab the plate-pusher's used salad fork and thrust it precisely one inch deep into the side of his/her neck.

This will not cause serious injury, but it does send a clear message. Tip well.



Todd M -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/26/2012 7:13:21 PM)

[&:]

Finally, an answer!

I love it!

Now what did you learn, Mom? (mother in law)



Todd M -> funeral procession curtesy (6/29/2012 10:20:47 AM)

Ok, I'm fine with allowing everyone to continue through a light change even though technically they shouldn't impede traffic but...




l l
l l
- - - l l - - - - -

----- --------
l l
l l
l l

(typical shitty Canadian road)

If you're driving north and turning east and the funeral procession is driving west and turning north why would you stop?



Todd M -> RE: funeral procession curtesy (6/29/2012 10:22:09 AM)

[&:]

Roads aren't that shitty. [&:]

You'll have to work w/o the visual I guess.



David F. -> RE: funeral procession curtesy (6/29/2012 10:54:40 AM)

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If you're driving north and turning east and the funeral procession is driving west and turning north why would you stop?





Holy crap man! It's a funeral procession! Show some respect. Stop your vehicle, remove your hat if you're wearing one, and refrain from any activity other than a respectful, somber tone. Even if someone just farted while simultaneously telling the funniest joke ever and the hotty in the backseat flashed her boobs.



Todd M -> RE: funeral procession curtesy (6/29/2012 10:59:33 AM)

Why?


I don't know them.

I should be stopped for 5 minutes along my route that doesn't impede them in any manner?



RBIrving -> RE: funeral procession curtesy (6/29/2012 11:17:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

If you're driving north and turning east and the funeral procession is driving west and turning north why would you stop?





Holy crap man! It's a funeral procession! Show some respect. Stop your vehicle, remove your hat if you're wearing one, and refrain from any activity other than a respectful, somber tone. Even if someone just farted while simultaneously telling the funniest joke ever and the hotty in the backseat flashed her boobs.


Nice to see that others aren't put out so much they cannot display a common courtesy. Although, since I'm pretty sure no one can see inside my vehicle while I wait, other stoping and waiting I do nothing else except bide my time.

@Todd you don't have too, it's just a nice to do. I also have never seen a funeral procession that is five minutes long. I suspect a little exageration here.



RBIrving -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/29/2012 11:17:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prescott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sigh - gotta stop asking unanswerable questions I guess...


(and yes Ricky, everything else about the dinner warranted a 15% tip)


But the tip is explicitly for good service.


If only They wouldn't automatically bill a tip for parties of greater than 6 people.  And at 18%!

Now, I'm a good tipper...I have no problem tipping...but I like it to be my decision.  I decide on the amount.  I hate them determining for me what amount I am going to tip.  I usually tip MORE than 18% if the service was good.  If it wasn't 15% is max.  I hate the automatic tip added to the bill.


The reason for this is that too often large groups "forget" to tip at all, and it's a large burden on the waitress. They work their ass off, but all it takes is for the one person "in charge" of the tip to be unhappy with the smallest thing, and they then choose to give them the shaft.

On groups over 8, it's basically a necessity. Without it, most servers would refuse large groups because it's so time consuming and takes away from service to others, reducing their other tips by such a large amount.


When you have a group of 8 or more, a restaurant typically uses more than one person to cover the group. By including the gratuity charge for larger groups they're in a position to split the gratuity amongst those who worked the group.



Todd M -> RE: funeral procession courtesy (6/29/2012 11:25:14 AM)

It's that long if the FP is that big and is not getting through on a continued run b/c traffic is bunged up.


And you have to stop if the guy in front of you thinks that kind of courtesy is necessary. Which it's not.

I already have to fight idiot divers, a surplus of traffic lights, trains ect...on my route. It's not like I was bothered by it because I couldn't turn left or go straight b/c of the FP.



David F. -> RE: funeral procession curtesy (6/29/2012 2:08:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Why?


I don't know them.

I should be stopped for 5 minutes along my route that doesn't impede them in any manner?




You sure you're not an American?



Bill Johanesen -> RE: dinner ettiquette (6/30/2012 8:31:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prescott

I've seen it, and it's embarrassing.

The argument for not having it is generally "I'm a good tipper anyway", but that goes out the window when someone argues to not pay an autograt. Most reputable establishments note this policy and good servers also make customers aware before service.

There has been a legal precedence established that if you choose to walk out on that part of the bill, you will probably not face jail time. It's still an extreme dickhead move. If your service was extremely poor, you could ask to speak to a manager and explain why you think the amount of the mandatory amount should be reduced.


I'd recommend they resort to employing the old "dirtying up otherwise clean tables and creating an eyesore" technique. If they are looking to maintain a modicum of class.


[&:][&:][&:][&:]



Lynn G. -> RE: dinner ettiquette (7/11/2012 3:01:14 PM)

Jeff Dubay was just on WCCO with Chad Hartman for a full hour talking about his descent into the grasp of crack cocaine - and I think he did a fantastic job of explaining how horrendous and insidious the drug is. If it's offered as a podcast I encourage everyone to listen to it.

I have gained enormous respect for Dubay after listening to his story. He had to go through rehab three times and he talks about what really finally did it for him. He has been clean and sober for a year now (I think I have the time about right) and the very thought of taking drugs again is so repulsive to him that he is certain he'll never fall back again.

Good for him. He is talking about it now as a way to help others.



Ricky J -> RE: dinner ettiquette (7/11/2012 5:05:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Jeff Dubay was just on WCCO with Chad Hartman for a full hour talking about his descent into the grasp of crack cocaine - and I think he did a fantastic job of explaining how horrendous and insidious the drug is. If it's offered as a podcast I encourage everyone to listen to it.

I have gained enormous respect for Dubay after listening to his story. He had to go through rehab three times and he talks about what really finally did it for him. He has been clean and sober for a year now (I think I have the time about right) and the very thought of taking drugs again is so repulsive to him that he is certain he'll never fall back again.

Good for him. He is talking about it now as a way to help others.

I'd love to hear this podcast if there is one. I've always been interested in this story. He should be careful to be anything but humble with his addiction, though ... being certain he'll never do coke again isn't what many addicts in a good place with their recovery would say



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