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SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/18/2013 7:56:20 PM)

Maybe they meant .... we were prepared to fail when facing that zone?




Pete M. -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/18/2013 11:47:52 PM)

I'm conflicted. No coach who has won THAT much has suddenly forgotten how to attack a zone. He just hasn't. I mean, the most basic of zone offenses -- in HS, we ran a 3 out, 1 high post, 1 cutter running to strong-side baseline -- should get at least a few open looks. And again, this isn't a Syracuse zone. This is IOWA.

On the other hand, when's the last time you've seen a team look this INCOMPETENT against a zone? Not just, "Man, this team really can't shoot, but at least they're getting open shots." I mean, "This team has absolutely no clue how to do anything other than jack up a contested long-range shot with 2 seconds on the shot clock or just turn it over."

So basically, my best defense to "Tubby can't coach" is "Tubby can't recruit." Hardly encouraging.




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/19/2013 1:54:57 AM)

Good stuff Pete
Haven't all of us encountered this  .... and countered it?
I'm dead serious ... in HS, or intramurals, or college if lucky enough ..... hell, even at the Y when we were starting to lose our game?
Its the truth ... you see what the opponent is doing, and you adjust.
Or, you just stop trying, and accept your fate.
At least I was encouraged to hear Tubby afterwards with the "wth" defense of his teams demise.
He seemed as puzzled as us as to why this happened, and continues to happen.
At least he seems over the usual Mn Nice response of "gee, at least we tried hard".
He didn't even go there. Something about the "most disappointed he'd ever been in a team"
I like that direction. Maybe he's admitting there's a problem. Step one. Tough time to take step one, but hey, if we are one thing here ... its patient. [:o]




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/19/2013 8:00:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Here is my plea to Norwood Teague:

Before all of the BIG 3 in state recruits wipe their asses with Tubby's scholarship offer you need to do the following on the first day it allowed by the NCAA.
8:00 AM - fire Tubby
8:01 AM - call Shaka Smart and offer him whatever it takes to get him up here.

None of Jones, Vaughn and Travis are coming here to play for Tubby. When this comes to pass it will be the latest and biggest in a never ending string of embarrassments for this program.



THIS

You cannot even get one of the 3 best in the state? Some of the best in the nation?

Change.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/19/2013 2:53:24 PM)

W/ESPN Chat today:

2:48
Comment From Mr. Ed
If none of the big 3 recruits signs to play for Tubby, isn't that reason enough to make a change?
2:49
Judd Zulgad: That would not help Tubby's cause, you are correct. It will be very interesting to see if any of those kids decide on Minnesota. I remember the days when the basketball talent out of this state was so very rare. Times have changed.




Lynn G. -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/19/2013 4:17:16 PM)

The problem is that if none of the big 3 recruits signs to play for Tubby - - - then it's too late. If there seems to be an indication that we're going to lose them, then we have to make the change NOW (and this coming from someone who is very averse to calling for any coaches' job).




David Levine -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/19/2013 4:28:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

The problem is that if none of the big 3 recruits signs to play for Tubby - - - then it's too late. If there seems to be an indication that we're going to lose them, then we have to make the change NOW (and this coming from someone who is very averse to calling for any coaches' job).


We can't.

quote:

Under the terms of his original deal, Smith was to be paid $1.5 million if he were to be fired between now and April 30, 2013. But in another new wrinkle in the extension, he can't be dismissed without cause during the season, defined as the span from the date of the Gophers' first game through the date of the last. The extension also calls for a postseason review of the contract next spring.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/20/2013 7:40:39 PM)

Toast




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/20/2013 8:05:22 PM)

Burnt
Toast

Cashed it in
Long ago


Yuck




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/20/2013 8:05:43 PM)

Pretenders




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/20/2013 8:29:54 PM)

27 turnovers

TWENTY-SEVEN

Horrible

3 steals.

Tubby trademark "pressure defense" is a thing of the past.

This is heading South so quickly, and he's built in nice security to not get fired in-season.

"Playing like ****" should be a fire-able offense.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/20/2013 8:34:55 PM)

More fire-able offenses:


Hollins hit a 15-foot jumper from the left side for Minnesota with 16:15 left -- but the Gophers didn't have another field goal until Osenieks banked in a short shot with 5:36 left.

During Ohio State's 16-0 run



This team gives up more big runs than Ron Davis' tenure with the Twins.




Pete M. -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/20/2013 8:46:53 PM)

This issue is way beyond Tubby. The team has absolutely no senior leadership and apparently very few with any pride. Play the guys that don't play scared. I want to see more Wally and less Joe.

But I will say -- these end of season collapses show a coach that doesn't know how to find the pulse of his team. It's inexcusable how far this team has fallen. Essentially ever since Rodney had the "we got thrown way under the bus" tweet, this team hasn't been the same.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/21/2013 4:49:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pete M.

This issue is way beyond Tubby. The team has absolutely no senior leadership and apparently very few with any pride. Play the guys that don't play scared. I want to see more Wally and less Joe.

But I will say -- these end of season collapses show a coach that doesn't know how to find the pulse of his team. It's inexcusable how far this team has fallen. Essentially ever since Rodney had the "we got thrown way under the bus" tweet, this team hasn't been the same.


And that's one of the "senior leaders". What a fall.




Guest -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/21/2013 11:35:23 AM)

The way this team is playing and have played, they will probably beat Indiana at home, then lose out to Penn State at home and to Nebraska and Purdue on the road.

The lack of any consistency and or improvement as the season progresses seems to indicate that Tubby is ready for retirement.

I don't see the fire in the belly.

However, he did have some impressive dance moves after the Wisconsin victory.

You know a team is down, really down, when a victory....a regular season victory, is celebrated with such vigor and enthusiasm....instead of taking a victory in stride and plan on preparing for the next opponent.




Jim Frenette -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/21/2013 11:51:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pete M.

This issue is way beyond Tubby. The team has absolutely no senior leadership and apparently very few with any pride. Play the guys that don't play scared. I want to see more Wally and less Joe.

But I will say -- these end of season collapses show a coach that doesn't know how to find the pulse of his team. It's inexcusable how far this team has fallen. Essentially ever since Rodney had the "we got thrown way under the bus" tweet, this team hasn't been the same.


They are playing as if they don't even practice together. To many bad passes and how do you have 2 shot clock violation so close together. No communication .

They also seem to have lost confidence. I'm seeing to many players passing up mid range jumpers when wide open. Maybe they should schedule a practice game with Hopkins to get that confidence back. Oh wait, they might lose that one, maybe Holy Angels




Corleone -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/21/2013 11:53:45 AM)

I'm not one to turn off games, no matter how bad they get.  But I turned that one off.





SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/21/2013 4:14:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Miles K

The way this team is playing and have played, they will probably beat Indiana at home, then lose out to Penn State at home and to Nebraska and Purdue on the road.

The lack of any consistency and or improvement as the season progresses seems to indicate that Tubby is ready for retirement.

I don't see the fire in the belly.

However, he did have some impressive dance moves after the Wisconsin victory.

You know a team is down, really down, when a victory....a regular season victory, is celebrated with such vigor and enthusiasm....instead of taking a victory in stride and plan on preparing for the next opponent.

THIS

Relying on home wins only makes you weak
The Illini road win was impressive but wasn't followed up by any other proof at all.
Teams ho can only win at home are weak mentally.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/22/2013 12:27:30 PM)

On the day in March 2007 that most Minnesota basketball fans were celebrating the hiring of Tubby Smith away from Kentucky, CBS Sportsline.com columnist Gregg Doyel was taking the contrary view.
"I've got news for the good folks at Minnesota who clearly haven't been paying attention to the details at Kentucky," Doyel wrote. "Unless Tubby changes his ways, he'll flop at Minnesota. I mean, he'll be a complete and total failure"
Time out to give credit where credit is due: Upload doesn't have the kind of memory that can pull out this sort of thing on a moment's notice. However, a senior member at the wonderful blog GopherHole.com who posts under the name BleedGopher posted the Doyel column after Wednesday night's embarrassment at Ohio State.
"Worth reading again," BleedGopher headlined. "Gregg Doyel's '07 Tubby column which predicted this outcome."
Doyel made two main points in his day-of-hiring column, that Smith had done most of the winning in his career with the recruits of his predecessor coaches and that his coaching staffs haven't been filled with the best and brightest of assistants.
On his previous jobs: "Look at Tubby's resume. There have been times in his career when he has won big, but those times almost always were with someone else's players. He was at Tulsa for only four years, which means he was winning for most of that time with someone else's recruits. He was at Georgia for just two years, which means he won completely with someone else's players. At Kentucky he won his national championship in his first year, with Rick Pitino's roster. In the last two years, stuck with players that were signed solely by Tubby's staff, Kentucky lost a total of 25 games. That's not Kentucky. That's Kennesaw State."
About his coaching staff, Doyel said that Smith has leaned toward hiring those with whom he's had a prior relationship. "Clearly the key to working for Tubby isn't your ability. It's having worked with Tubby before," he wrote.
Doyel did get one thing wrong. Here's how he ended the column: "He'll be fired by 2012."




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/22/2013 12:28:33 PM)

That article:

Don't feel bad today for Tubby Smith, who woke up Thursday as the coach at Kentucky but will wake up Friday at Minnesota. That's a ghastly career arc, but Tubby did this to himself. Kentucky fans didn't help the situation, but they aren't the losers here. Tubby is.
Tubby had one of the best jobs in college basketball and drove it right up to the side of the cliff. He didn't drive Kentucky over that cliff -- that would have come next year, assuming junior center Randolph Morris turns pro -- but he had this monster of a basketball program creeping right up to the edge.
Tubby couldn't figure out how to fix it, so now Tubby is gone to Minnesota, and I've got news for the good folks at Minnesota who clearly haven't been paying attention to the details at Kentucky: Unless Tubby changes his ways, he'll flop at Minnesota. I mean, he'll be a complete and total failure. If he couldn't attract marquee players at Kentucky -- Kentucky for God's sake -- how is he all of a sudden going to bring them to maudlin Minnesota?

Kentucky is one of the top three coaching jobs in college basketball, right up there with North Carolina and Duke. And Tubby recruited like he was at, well, Minnesota.

Now he is at Minnesota, which isn't one of the top three coaching jobs in the Big Ten. Or one of the top six. In the Big Ten alone, the Minnesota job is behind Ohio State, Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan, and probably on par with Iowa. If I'm right about that -- and I'm right -- that means Minnesota is seventh or eighth among the basketball programs in its conference, ahead only of Purdue, Penn State and Northwestern.

So who here believes uninspiring Tubby Smith is going to do at Minnesota what he couldn't do at Kentucky -- which is to say, overachieve?

At Kentucky, Tubby underachieved. There's not a lot of debate about that one. In the smaller sense he overachieved with this team, because his 2006-07 squad didn't have blatant NCAA Tournament talent and yet Tubby got the Wildcats there with ease. But he's at Kentucky, not Toledo. With so much wind in his sails at Kentucky, he should have had Duke-like talent. UNC-like talent. Not the dreck he was starting at point guard and power forward.

Tubby was a victim of himself, of his own confidence. He's so good at X's and O's -- and he is really, really good with a clipboard -- that he thought he could hire whoever he wanted for his staff and be able to get it done. And the evidence is overwhelming that he could not.

Look at Tubby's resume. There have been times in his career when he has won big, but those times almost always were with someone else's players. He was at Tulsa for only four years, which means he was winning for most of that time with someone else's recruits. He was at Georgia for just two years, which means he won completely with someone else's players.

At Kentucky he won his national championship in his first year, with Rick Pitino's roster. In the last two years, stuck with players that were signed solely by Tubby's staff, Kentucky lost a total of 25 games. That's not Kentucky. That's Kennesaw State.

Tubby has turned his coaching staff into an old boys' club, hiring only cronies. Tubby worked with David Hobbs at VCU in the mid-1980s. He worked with Scott Rigot at South Carolina in the late-80s. He coached Reggie Hanson (as an assistant) at Kentucky in the early 90s.

Clearly the key to working for Tubby isn't your ability. It's having worked with Tubby before. That's the kind of myopic world-view that can get you fired, which is what would have happened at Kentucky as soon as the inevitable NIT season happened, possibly as soon as next season.

Meantime, Kentucky fans were going nuts. Around the country they have been perceived -- and they will be perceived in the coming days, mark my words -- as out of control, ungrateful, cruel. Inside the state borders, though, UK fans saw what Tubby was doing to this gem of a basketball program. He was turning it into cubic zirconium.

Now he's Minnesota's problem. And Tubby will have problems at Minnesota, believe me. I'll hang him with his own words, because a few years back Tubby said something to the Dallas Morning News that should scare the absolute hell out of the state of Minnesota:

"All we promise (potential recruits) is an education and the opportunity to be part of the winningest college basketball program in America," Smith said in March 2005.

At Minnesota, he'll promise recruits an education and the opportunity to be part of one of the worst college basketball programs in the Big Ten.




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/22/2013 1:30:51 PM)

Ouchhhhhhhhhhh




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/22/2013 2:08:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Ouchhhhhhhhhhh



Things were so bad all that stuff was ignored.

Now that nothing has changed in the past few years, have to hand it to Tubby. He sure had Maturi fooled, by getting
an extension.

Reusse had an article on 1500ESPN on Tubby and trying to "get where he's coming from" the other day:

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Reusses_Reality_Script_Episode_13_Tubby_of_course022113




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/22/2013 4:00:58 PM)

Teague was AD when Tubby got his last extension.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/22/2013 4:36:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: panndder

Teague was AD when Tubby got his last extension.


Don't confuse matters with facts! [:D]

Tubby got his ext. Masterful.




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (2/26/2013 8:04:36 PM)

No ones on this?
Biggest game of the year.
Just can't do anything easy
Missing FTs down the stretch




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