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SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 7:25:55 AM)

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bstinger just going there


THIS is what I was talking about.
Don't do it to yourself, people. Don't do it ……..


[&:]




Phil Riewer -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 7:40:02 AM)

If that happens would Brewster be in attendance as promised long ago? [&:]




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 8:02:41 AM)

Can Minnesota hang with the big boys?

Minnesota's offense has been straightforward and effective this season.
The biggest game in the 10-year existence of Minnesota's TCF Bank Stadium will in many ways pit a known against an unknown.
Minnesota will be the fourth consecutive SP+ top-30 opponent that 8-0 Penn State has faced, following Iowa, Michigan, and Michigan State. The Nittany Lions aren't new to big games; they've ranked in the CFP top 10 at some point in four straight seasons.
Minnesota, on the other hand, hadn't been ranked in the AP top 15 in 15 years until last week, and the Gophers' back-loaded schedule means they haven't faced a team better than Nebraska (50th in SP+) to date. Plus, in a helluva quirk, they haven't played a full game against a team's first-string quarterback since Week 2. Some QBs were knocked out of action during the games, and others weren't playing to begin with.
The Gophers have established a strong identity, but we don't know everything we need to know about their pass defense because they haven't had a chance to show us.
How much of a difference does the "backup QBs" thing make?
Clearly a lot, at least in the CFP committee's eyes. With a series of shaky nonconference wins and perhaps artificially inflated blowouts of mediocre Big Ten teams, the Gophers got the lowest CFP ranking ever for an unbeaten power conference team.

Minnesota's success, however, cannot be ascribed merely to playing against the wrong QBs. For starters, the Gophers rank eighth in offensive SP+. Plus, their pass defense was solid last season, too, and the pursuit ability of Minnesota's linebackers and edge players is outstanding enough to grade them 11th in rushing SP+. The defense has quite a bit to offer, even if the degree of difficulty hasn't been incredibly high.
The "backup QBs!" debate will end soon enough: PSU's Sean Clifford is a great first-string QB, and the Nittany Lions have one of the best 1-2 receiving punches in the country.
Clifford's first season as starter has seen some predictable fits and starts, but against Michigan (third in defensive SP+) and Michigan State (11th) the past two games, he completed 56% of his passes, with a 7-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio and a 147.8 passer rating. No one has fared better against Michigan's defense than Clifford.
Speedy KJ Hamler and tight end Pat Freiermuth are PSU's anchors. They have 62 catches, 901 yards and 15 touchdowns this season, including seven scores against UM and MSU. If the Minnesota secondary, led by star safety Antoine Winfield Jr. and corners Benjamin St-Juste and Coney Durr, can rein these two in and prevent any secondary weapons (namely, sophomores Jahan Dotson or Justin Shorter) from doing too much damage, they'll have earned all the cred they need.
The Gophers do what they do (but will it work?)
The Minnesota offense is straightforward and effective. The Gophers will run inside zone as much as you'll let them, mix in some outside zone or split zone as a change of pace, and maybe throw occasionally -- probably either go routes or slants against wrong-footed defenders.
It's predictable, but it works because the Gophers have exactly the pieces they need. The offensive line is hilariously big -- anchored by mountainous right tackle Daniel Faalele, the two-deep up front averages 6-foot-6, 326 pounds -- and the running back corps is deep and talented. Plus, Tanner Morgan throws a pretty deep ball, and he has a lot of WRs capable of running underneath them.
That's all well and good, but the Gophers haven't faced a defense anywhere near the caliber of Penn State's. They've averaged 41 points per game since Big Ten action began, but Illinois' defense (51st in SP+) has been the best on the docket so far. Penn State's D ranks sixth.
Even more worrisome: Penn State is first in rushing SP+. The tackles occupy blockers, and the ends and LBs (Yetur Gross-Matos, Shaka Toney, Micah Parsons, Ellis Brooks) swarm.
Minnesota will probably ask Morgan and dangerous receivers Tyler Johnson, Rashod Bateman and Chris Autman-Bell to carry more weight in this game. So far, they've passed their exams with flying colors, but this is a huge test.
SP+ projection: Penn State 28, Minnesota 26 (PSU's win probability: 55%)




bstinger -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 8:23:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Can Minnesota hang with the big boys?

Minnesota's offense has been straightforward and effective this season.
The biggest game in the 10-year existence of Minnesota's TCF Bank Stadium will in many ways pit a known against an unknown.
Minnesota will be the fourth consecutive SP+ top-30 opponent that 8-0 Penn State has faced, following Iowa, Michigan, and Michigan State. The Nittany Lions aren't new to big games; they've ranked in the CFP top 10 at some point in four straight seasons.
Minnesota, on the other hand, hadn't been ranked in the AP top 15 in 15 years until last week, and the Gophers' back-loaded schedule means they haven't faced a team better than Nebraska (50th in SP+) to date. Plus, in a helluva quirk, they haven't played a full game against a team's first-string quarterback since Week 2. Some QBs were knocked out of action during the games, and others weren't playing to begin with.
The Gophers have established a strong identity, but we don't know everything we need to know about their pass defense because they haven't had a chance to show us.
How much of a difference does the "backup QBs" thing make?
Clearly a lot, at least in the CFP committee's eyes. With a series of shaky nonconference wins and perhaps artificially inflated blowouts of mediocre Big Ten teams, the Gophers got the lowest CFP ranking ever for an unbeaten power conference team.

Minnesota's success, however, cannot be ascribed merely to playing against the wrong QBs. For starters, the Gophers rank eighth in offensive SP+. Plus, their pass defense was solid last season, too, and the pursuit ability of Minnesota's linebackers and edge players is outstanding enough to grade them 11th in rushing SP+. The defense has quite a bit to offer, even if the degree of difficulty hasn't been incredibly high.
The "backup QBs!" debate will end soon enough: PSU's Sean Clifford is a great first-string QB, and the Nittany Lions have one of the best 1-2 receiving punches in the country.
Clifford's first season as starter has seen some predictable fits and starts, but against Michigan (third in defensive SP+) and Michigan State (11th) the past two games, he completed 56% of his passes, with a 7-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio and a 147.8 passer rating. No one has fared better against Michigan's defense than Clifford.
Speedy KJ Hamler and tight end Pat Freiermuth are PSU's anchors. They have 62 catches, 901 yards and 15 touchdowns this season, including seven scores against UM and MSU. If the Minnesota secondary, led by star safety Antoine Winfield Jr. and corners Benjamin St-Juste and Coney Durr, can rein these two in and prevent any secondary weapons (namely, sophomores Jahan Dotson or Justin Shorter) from doing too much damage, they'll have earned all the cred they need.
The Gophers do what they do (but will it work?)
The Minnesota offense is straightforward and effective. The Gophers will run inside zone as much as you'll let them, mix in some outside zone or split zone as a change of pace, and maybe throw occasionally -- probably either go routes or slants against wrong-footed defenders.
It's predictable, but it works because the Gophers have exactly the pieces they need. The offensive line is hilariously big -- anchored by mountainous right tackle Daniel Faalele, the two-deep up front averages 6-foot-6, 326 pounds -- and the running back corps is deep and talented. Plus, Tanner Morgan throws a pretty deep ball, and he has a lot of WRs capable of running underneath them.
That's all well and good, but the Gophers haven't faced a defense anywhere near the caliber of Penn State's. They've averaged 41 points per game since Big Ten action began, but Illinois' defense (51st in SP+) has been the best on the docket so far. Penn State's D ranks sixth.
Even more worrisome: Penn State is first in rushing SP+. The tackles occupy blockers, and the ends and LBs (Yetur Gross-Matos, Shaka Toney, Micah Parsons, Ellis Brooks) swarm.
Minnesota will probably ask Morgan and dangerous receivers Tyler Johnson, Rashod Bateman and Chris Autman-Bell to carry more weight in this game. So far, they've passed their exams with flying colors, but this is a huge test.
SP+ projection: Penn State 28, Minnesota 26 (PSU's win probability: 55%)


Yes.

I'll take a 45% chance going in. Game on!




Steve Lentz -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 8:46:51 AM)

Ohio State is the real deal. They are the team to be most concerned about. Not sure anybody in the Big 10 can hang with them.




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 8:53:17 AM)

Agreed SteveO
A big step above us at this point

I'm only focused on how we compete with the 3 remaining schools that have traditionally handled us
Its time to wedge ourselves between the Wiscy/Iowa/PSUs of the B10 and the big boy.
We'll worry about Ohio State if we have to at some point. We're definitely no ready for that yet.
There's 3 rungs between us and them still.




TJSweens -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 9:46:34 AM)

For once, the national media and rube nation seem to be on the same page. Need to see how they do against tougher competition, but no matter how you slice it, 8-0 is a pretty damn good team.




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 10:20:43 AM)

It has been 78 years since Minnesota football last started a season this well.
At 8-0, the 17th-ranked Golden Gophers are off to their best start since that 1941 season, when they won a national title. They're 5-0 in the Big Ten for the first time since 1961, and hold a two-game lead in the West Division. If No. 1 LSU vs. No. 2 Alabama wasn't also happening this Saturday, Minnesota's game against No. 4 Penn State (Noon ET on ABC), would top the Week 11 marquee. It's still Minnesota's most anticipated home contest in decades.

Before the recent surge, Minnesota's national relevance had been limited to P.J. Fleck, its 38-year-old sparkplug coach -- and owner of a new seven-year contract -- and the messaging that covers every corner of his program. Most college football fans know Fleck and "Row the Boat," the program's ubiquitous motto. There's probably less knowledge of "The Dig" (experiencing the grind of the first 18-20 months in Fleck's program) or Nekton mentality -- that players should model their way of thinking after those aquatic creatures that move independently of the currents.
Is it necessary? When a program that last won a league title in 1967 finally looks like a contender, should the focus be anywhere else but between the lines? On this point, Fleck and his players are emphatic: The football and the messaging don't diverge, even when there's finally reason to take notice of the former.
"Everything's connected," Fleck recently told ESPN. "How we live our life is going to be how we play. It sounds like a lot of slogans and all this other stuff. It's really not. It's very well connected, it's very organized, it's a very detailed culture, there's a standard, and that standard can't be compromised in any area of your life."

P.J. Fleck has carried his team (including receiver Tyler Johnson above) to an 8-0 record this season. Jesse Johnson/USA TODAY Sports
That brings us to the baseball bat in Fleck's office.
Fleck devotes most of his day to finding fresh motivational tools for the players.
"Whatever's new today is old within an hour," he said. "Like, old, old." But after Minnesota improved to 7-0, Fleck brought a symbol from his past to Minnesota's 36-player leadership council.
"He gave us the word: Doughnuts," senior defensive end Carter Coughlin said.
Added quarterback Tanner Morgan: "Not Krispy Kreme or Dunkin' Donuts, but doughnuts you put on a bat."
Fleck introduced the bat at Western Michigan in 2016. Each time the Broncos won, he added a weighted doughnut with the opponent's name, and positives and negatives from the game. The bat ended up with 13 doughnuts, as Western Michigan reached the Cotton Bowl before falling to Wisconsin.

Here's his thinking: The bat represents the program. The on-deck circle, where weighted bats are swung, represents preparation for each game. Each added doughnut represents knowledge, but also pressure.
"We want them to understand that pressure's a good thing," Fleck said. "If you've having pressure, that means your life is significant, because people expect something from you."
Minnesota's bat, now carrying eight doughnuts, appears at every practice and team meeting. But when the Penn State game kicks off, Fleck wants his players to perform unburdened.
"To the average person, the bat is getting heavier and heavier, and getting harder to swing," Morgan said. "But to us, it's more pressure. We talk about how pressure is always earned. You put that pressure on yourself throughout the week, and before you go play, put that bat on the ground, take those doughnuts off and you're swinging that bat like it's a feather."
Coughlin isn't a yes-man. He's the type to question, research and self-verify everything before absorbing it.
"I have a tough time instantly believing stuff," he said.

When Fleck arrived in 2017, Coughlin questioned the coach's messages and methods. Minnesota was coming off of a 9-4 season -- its most wins since 2003 -- and a Holiday Bowl win. Coughlin had been a solid freshman contributor (25 tackles, two sacks) and, in his mind, an aspiring leader.
"He told me my leadership was terrible and the leadership on the team was terrible, and when I see what it's actually supposed to be, I'll look back," Coughlin said. "I thought he was full of it. Looking back where I'm at right now and where a lot of guys on the team are where right now, it's night and day different."
Although Minnesota had been winning before Fleck showed up, the team threatened to boycott the Holiday Bowl after the university suspended 10 players during a sexual assault investigation. Coach Tracy Claeys tweeted his support for the players, a factor in his eventual dismissal.
"Any time there's a boycott, that's complete separation," Fleck said. "You've got a team that, wins aside, is completely divided, somehow, some way. When you're walking into that, just like our first team meeting, not every player showed up."
Fleck knew "The Dig" would take time at Minnesota, just as it did at Western Michigan, which finished 1-11 in his first season. The Row the Boat approach targets four areas of development, only one of which is athletics. A complete commitment is required.
The roster changed in those months, but key older players stayed -- Coughlin, wide receiver Tyler Johnson, linebacker Thomas Barber, running back Rodney Smith -- and more of Fleck's recruits arrived.
"It's people that have really chosen to be part of this," said Gerrit Chernoff, the Minnesota program's general manager, "and then you start adding some special wins. It shows, 'OK, we are all-in, we see it working, we see it changing our lives.'"

The on-field results didn't surface until late last season. Minnesota chopped Wisconsin 37-15 in Madison, reclaiming Paul Bunyan's Axe for the first time in 15 years. A 24-point bowl win followed. When the Gophers assembled in January, Fleck saw "complete focus and commitment," a team finally ready for players to direct. Minnesota's leadership council meetings have become more discussion than lecture.
"It's easy to let coaches demand things," Coughlin said. "Right now, it's 100 percent on the players. If anything, it's the coaches saying, 'We need to tone this down.'"
As for the team on the field, Minnesota plays complementary football. The defense ranks ninth nationally against the pass (166.4 yards per game allowed), sixth in interceptions per pass attempt (4.8%) and 13th in yards allowed (283.8 YPG). Coordinator Joe Rossi, whom Fleck promoted midway through the 2018 season, has made upgrades.
The offense averages 35.8 points. Minnesota boasts two standout receivers in Johnson and Rashod Bateman, who are featured in a pass attack that ranks sixth nationally in yards per attempt (10.34), behind only Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, Navy and Air Force. The Gophers also have a proven rusher in Smith and a starting offensive line that weighs a combined 1,700 pounds.
"We're doing things that haven't been done since World War II. When you've started to do things like that, people take notice."

"P.J. is 38 years old, and everyone's expecting all this fast-paced offense," Chernoff said. "That's not what we are. We're a control-the-clock, throwback football team. We're very disciplined. We don't have many penalties. We understand situations."
Fleck, who as a young coach worked under Jim Tressel and Greg Schiano, says he believes more college football games are lost than won. Minnesota's on-field philosophy is hooked around a win probability: 78%. It's a team's likelihood of winning when holding edges in turnover margin, missed tackles vs. broken tackles, and explosive plays generated vs. explosive plays allowed.
During nonconference play, Minnesota drifted between 78% and its counterpart, the dreaded 22%. The Gophers had more turnovers than Fresno State when they played the Bulldogs, but still won in two overtimes -- one of four single-digit wins to begin the season.

"It wasn't a wake-up call, but it brought complete validity to that 78%," Fleck said, "because in those three games, we were flirting in that 22nd percentile. Our last five games, we've won the 78% battle."
The Gophers have defeated their past four Big Ten opponents by a combined score of 168-41. They've scored 28 points or more in their first eight games for the first time since 1904, when they opened with a 107-0 win over Twin Cities Central High School. Minnesota hasn't played a taxing schedule, but one could argue that fellow unbeatens Alabama, Clemson and Baylor haven't either. Penn State begins a revealing stretch for the Gophers, which includes No. 18 Iowa (road) and No. 13 Wisconsin (home).
"It's a really big game because of what's on the line," Fleck said. "We're doing things that haven't been done since World War II. When you've started to do things like that, people take notice."

Many will get their first glimpse of Minnesota on Saturday. They'll see an improved product on the field. They'll also see the cultural markings that follow Fleck and the Gophers everywhere -- by design.
"If there's stuff that doesn't add up, it wouldn't work," Coughlin said. "Everything needs to be interconnected, intertwined. Everything relates back to the 'Row the Boat' culture.
"We know exactly who we are, and who we need to be."




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 6:05:53 PM)

Read that on espn web site
New respect
Row the boat apparently is more than a gimmick slogan

Beat Penn State

Please




Bill Jandro -> RE: Gopher Football (11/8/2019 7:33:54 PM)

Wish I was going to this game.

TCF should be just electric.




kgdabom -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 9:26:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

I believe we're for real. Almost fully healthy and as talented as we've been in my lifetime at least. We will give Penn State a fight, we may not win, but I expect a good game. Barring major injury issues I expect to go 3-1 in the final 4 games and be in the big 10 title game. Question is, will it be OSU or PSU? It would be cool to win that, but I'm not expecting it yet.

If we finish 11-2 and the team winning the Big 10 title game goes to the CFP, what would the likelihood be of a Rose Bowl appearance? I think that would be awesome.

A 3-1 finish would be most triumphant despite taking one loss. A 4-0 Finish and a win over oSU would put us in the college football playoffs. That would be the MOST TRIUMPHANT.




kgdabom -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 9:30:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Can Minnesota hang with the big boys?

Minnesota's offense has been straightforward and effective this season.
The biggest game in the 10-year existence of Minnesota's TCF Bank Stadium will in many ways pit a known against an unknown.
Minnesota will be the fourth consecutive SP+ top-30 opponent that 8-0 Penn State has faced, following Iowa, Michigan, and Michigan State. The Nittany Lions aren't new to big games; they've ranked in the CFP top 10 at some point in four straight seasons.
Minnesota, on the other hand, hadn't been ranked in the AP top 15 in 15 years until last week, and the Gophers' back-loaded schedule means they haven't faced a team better than Nebraska (50th in SP+) to date. Plus, in a helluva quirk, they haven't played a full game against a team's first-string quarterback since Week 2. Some QBs were knocked out of action during the games, and others weren't playing to begin with.
The Gophers have established a strong identity, but we don't know everything we need to know about their pass defense because they haven't had a chance to show us.
How much of a difference does the "backup QBs" thing make?
Clearly a lot, at least in the CFP committee's eyes. With a series of shaky nonconference wins and perhaps artificially inflated blowouts of mediocre Big Ten teams, the Gophers got the lowest CFP ranking ever for an unbeaten power conference team.

Minnesota's success, however, cannot be ascribed merely to playing against the wrong QBs. For starters, the Gophers rank eighth in offensive SP+. Plus, their pass defense was solid last season, too, and the pursuit ability of Minnesota's linebackers and edge players is outstanding enough to grade them 11th in rushing SP+. The defense has quite a bit to offer, even if the degree of difficulty hasn't been incredibly high.
The "backup QBs!" debate will end soon enough: PSU's Sean Clifford is a great first-string QB, and the Nittany Lions have one of the best 1-2 receiving punches in the country.
Clifford's first season as starter has seen some predictable fits and starts, but against Michigan (third in defensive SP+) and Michigan State (11th) the past two games, he completed 56% of his passes, with a 7-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio and a 147.8 passer rating. No one has fared better against Michigan's defense than Clifford.
Speedy KJ Hamler and tight end Pat Freiermuth are PSU's anchors. They have 62 catches, 901 yards and 15 touchdowns this season, including seven scores against UM and MSU. If the Minnesota secondary, led by star safety Antoine Winfield Jr. and corners Benjamin St-Juste and Coney Durr, can rein these two in and prevent any secondary weapons (namely, sophomores Jahan Dotson or Justin Shorter) from doing too much damage, they'll have earned all the cred they need.
The Gophers do what they do (but will it work?)
The Minnesota offense is straightforward and effective. The Gophers will run inside zone as much as you'll let them, mix in some outside zone or split zone as a change of pace, and maybe throw occasionally -- probably either go routes or slants against wrong-footed defenders.
It's predictable, but it works because the Gophers have exactly the pieces they need. The offensive line is hilariously big -- anchored by mountainous right tackle Daniel Faalele, the two-deep up front averages 6-foot-6, 326 pounds -- and the running back corps is deep and talented. Plus, Tanner Morgan throws a pretty deep ball, and he has a lot of WRs capable of running underneath them.
That's all well and good, but the Gophers haven't faced a defense anywhere near the caliber of Penn State's. They've averaged 41 points per game since Big Ten action began, but Illinois' defense (51st in SP+) has been the best on the docket so far. Penn State's D ranks sixth.
Even more worrisome: Penn State is first in rushing SP+. The tackles occupy blockers, and the ends and LBs (Yetur Gross-Matos, Shaka Toney, Micah Parsons, Ellis Brooks) swarm.
Minnesota will probably ask Morgan and dangerous receivers Tyler Johnson, Rashod Bateman and Chris Autman-Bell to carry more weight in this game. So far, they've passed their exams with flying colors, but this is a huge test.
SP+ projection: Penn State 28, Minnesota 26 (PSU's win probability: 55%)


Yes.

I'll take a 45% chance going in. Game on!

If only SP+ was the best indicator of this game.




Karl Juhnke -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 9:50:13 AM)

I’ve heard the ‘backup QB’ take a few times this week. How we haven’t played against a starting QB for an entire game.

How quickly people forget Morgan wasn’t projected to be the starter either.

Starting QB out? Boo hoo. Have a good backup.




kgdabom -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 9:53:29 AM)

I just noticed that during our bye week we dropped from 13 in the rankings to 17. Ouch. We go unscored upon and still drop 4 spots.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:12:40 AM)

Winfield with a nice pick on first drive at the 6.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:15:10 AM)

Burned the blitz for 6




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:16:29 AM)

Could not ask for a better start




stfrank -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:17:56 AM)

Couldn't have scripted a better start to the game.




twinsfan -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:19:15 AM)

Morgan rewarded for floating it too much. Not perfect, but it worked out perfectly. It would have been so Gophers to step on the sideline. So these aren't your ordinary Gophers.




kgdabom -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:19:28 AM)

We are beating PSU! WOW!




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:22:42 AM)

why burn a timeout on D? If that was MN that called time..




twinsfan -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:26:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

why burn a timeout on D? If that was MN that called time..

PJ does not hesitate to call TOs in the 1st and 3rd quarters. It's the way he does it.




stfrank -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:26:09 AM)

Could be one of those games where we will need to score a lot of points to be in it to the end.




twinsfan -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:28:24 AM)

Morgan has all day to throw.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Football (11/9/2019 11:29:16 AM)

Play action is getting both WR open




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