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So.Mn.Fan -> RE: Gopher Football (10/17/2009 5:57:00 PM)

You nailed it Pete.
Throw in some long thoughtful pauses and some golly-gees and gosh-darnits and a few gee-whillickers, and it's probably dead on. [&o]



Jim Frenette -> RE: Gopher Football (10/17/2009 6:27:01 PM)

My take is they played hard, but they aren't as good as teams like Penn St. It doeswn't do much good in getting skill positions if you can't put together a defense or offensive line.

Can Gray even pass? When ever we have seen him, it's always a run. Yes I know he threw an incomplete last week. Since the offense couldn't get going, we only saw Gray on 1 play



Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Football (10/17/2009 6:28:27 PM)

My wife said, this guy looks like Glenn Mason down on the sidelines.


4 Def Coords in 4 years, went from the wave of the future offense to around #100 in the nation.



I told her a good salesman in college football doesn't equate to being a good coach. Tim Brewster is the best example I can think of right now of that.



So.Mn.Fan -> RE: Gopher Football (10/17/2009 6:29:57 PM)

As a recruiter, he's fantastic ...
As a coach, he's a fantastic recruiter ....



Jeff Jesser -> RE: Gopher Football (10/17/2009 6:48:37 PM)

Being his was a National Game I didn't get it because we weren't in the coverage area.  Sounds like I actually got lucky.  I called out Fisch right away.  You could see he was way over his  head.  Did Brewster actually make any bad coaching decisions?  I put shit like 4 and 1 pitches on the OC.



TJSweens -> RE: Gopher Football (10/17/2009 9:09:52 PM)

Can we please start the Marquis Gray era already?!



Jake Carlson -> RE: Gopher Football (10/17/2009 11:22:02 PM)

Amen! What's Brewster's email address, so we can bombard him with this more than obvious move?!



Jim Frenette -> RE: Gopher Football (10/18/2009 11:58:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Can we please start the Marquis Gray era already?!


What makes you think he is any better? He was recruited to run a spread offense



Jason Dorn -> RE: Gopher Football (10/18/2009 12:03:13 PM)

 
Was at the game yesterday.  The Gophers were beat up front all day, wasnt close.  PSU ran basically at will while Minn couldnt get anything going on the ground.  Game was decided in the trenches simple as that.  Brewster needs to focus on getting top linemen in.

Beat Iowa and the Gopher season is much better.  Good luck against OSU but if they can run it on MINN like PSU did it wont be happening.



drew -> RE: Gopher Football (10/18/2009 7:09:05 PM)

Jason,

We have no chance against OSU next week, and even less of a chance against Iowa.  I think Iowa is the best in the conference (which is sad, since they barely beat both Northern Iowa and Ark. State at home).  But it's just like you said, whenever we play a good team we get manhandled on the lines and nothing else matters until we get better there. 

Unfortunately, you don't see many lineman make contributions right away because they need to get in the weight room and get a lot stronger.  I know we had a couple of 3 star guys come in this year (Michel, Campion), but they must be getting redshirted.  We have 4 star guys coming next year, one on each side of the line. 

I think pretty soon Brewster's recruiting pitch will ring hollow when kids see that people never get any better at the U right now.  He's had good classes, but they're not translating into beating good teams yet.  Frankly, I don't know if they will with Brewster at the helm.



TJSweens -> RE: Gopher Football (10/18/2009 8:57:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Can we please start the Marquis Gray era already?!


What makes you think he is any better? He was recruited to run a spread offense


Because Gray was the #2 QB recruit in the nation and because Weber has been horrible. There are still spread offensive sets in the Gopher's play book. Weber is also better suited to the spread BTW.



Karl H -> RE: Gopher Football (10/18/2009 10:28:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Can we please start the Marquis Gray era already?!


What makes you think he is any better? He was recruited to run a spread offense


Because Gray was the #2 QB recruit in the nation and because Weber has been horrible. There are still spread offensive sets in the Gopher's play book. Weber is also better suited to the spread BTW.


But Weber has certainly played better than the offensive line.  I'm surprised there are still people who can't see the o-line is our biggest problem.



Jason Dorn -> RE: Gopher Football (10/19/2009 8:27:29 AM)

You cannot win without linemen. A average line with a good RB/QB wont do anything. A good line can make an average back look good. Skill players mean nothing without the ability to at least hold the LOS. The Gophers just got blown off the LOS all day, Weber didnt have a chance to do anything consistently.

Drew ... good to hear they have some hope on the line. Its a tough gig for any coach. Have to get better in the trenches to compete for the Big Ten. Minnesota produces plenty of OLINE in state, Brewster needs to work some magic and find some DLINE out of state.



Jake Carlson -> RE: Gopher Football (10/19/2009 1:46:02 PM)

Yes, the offensive line has been bad but in no way does this minimize how bad Weber has played. His decision making and accuracy have been brutal. I can't see how anyone can even try to argue but even if you do, the fact remains that the offense as it is currently constructed isn't working. One or many changes have to be made and one of them should be Weber!



TJSweens -> RE: Gopher Football (10/19/2009 2:40:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jake Carlson

Yes, the offensive line has been bad but in no way does this minimize how bad Weber has played. His decision making and accuracy have been brutal. I can't see how anyone can even try to argue but even if you do, the fact remains that the offense as it is currently constructed isn't working. One or many changes have to be made and one of them should be Weber!


Agree 100%. I have seen too many occasions where Weber had the time to find the secondary receiver or to make a good a good throw. The line needs help to be sure, but Weber is just sucking ass right now. The Gophs to need to get a real play maker out there.



drew -> RE: Gopher Football (10/19/2009 7:32:51 PM)

Not to mention that fact that the spread offense is a good way to overcome a bad line.  Get the defense spread over the whole field, tons of quick routes where pass pro isn't as important.  This "running game" coordinator we stole from the Alabama staff last year doesn't seem to be providing results. 



Jeff Jesser -> RE: Gopher Football (10/19/2009 7:52:15 PM)

Weber's only assets are that he's a pretty good athlete and tough.  When you  make him a drop back passer you take that away from him.  



TJSweens -> RE: Gopher Football (10/19/2009 9:27:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drew

Not to mention that fact that the spread offense is a good way to overcome a bad line.  Get the defense spread over the whole field, tons of quick routes where pass pro isn't as important.  This "running game" coordinator we stole from the Alabama staff last year doesn't seem to be providing results. 


Absolutely. Abandoning the spread was a knee jerk reaction by Brewster. He had an offensive line with 3 freshman starters last year and decided the problem was Bennett's offensive scheme. Never mind that he was the last OC in the Big Ten to have an offense average over 500 yards a game. Never mind that he had spent the last 2 years recruiting kids to fit the spread. Brew should have let Bennett run the offense and focused on recruiting a better offensive line.



Karl H -> RE: Gopher Football (10/19/2009 11:16:56 PM)

When things are not going well, it's easy to scream for the coach to be fired and the QB benched.  In fact, that's what the average rube will do.

I'm all for Gray the rest of the season if he's actually the better guy, but I'll defer to the coaches on that.  I wonder why he hasn't had more chances so far?

- The coaches see these two every practice and so far Weber is the unquestioned starter.
- Weber is a Mason recruit; Gray is a Brewster recruit.  If there is any allegiance, it should be to Gray.
- Ultimately, these results mean Brewsters job.  Why wouldn't he start the guy he thinks give them the best chance to win?

If Gray does start or get significant playing time, it should not be this week against a team like OSU.  Give him a shot against Illinois or SD State. 

My best case senario is that Weber finally gets it together & Gray gets some playing time this year.  Next year, Gray uses his redshirt and Alipate becomes a capable #2 as a redshirt freshman.  Then the following year when Weber is gone, Gray & Alipate battle it out, both with 3 years of eligability left.  Parish will be there too if he's legit.


As far as the spread goes....many might not be aware, but here in Minnesota we've already had several days where the temp has not gotten above 40.  There has been a lot of rain, plus the normal Minnesota wind.  It's still 10 days away from November.  Since we now play outdoors, the only smart thing to do is build a team that can run the ball.  That hasn't happened yet (obviously), but it will.  And when that happens bring on all the spread teams that dare, especially in November.  I like our chances........until the bowl game anyway. 



TJSweens -> RE: Gopher Football (10/20/2009 9:42:33 AM)

Ah yes. We called for a QB change ergo we are rubes.

First of all the opinion comes from watching Weber play and time after time fail to check off his primary receiver. From watching his Decker dependence grow game by game.

Second of all the idea that you can't run a spread offense below a certain temperature is complete and utter nonsense. Our former OC was the last to have a 500+ yard per game offense in the Big Ten...running a spread formation...at Northwestern...when they went to the Rose Bowl. Last time I checked it gets pretty cold in Chicago too.

Third of all the notion that you can't run out the spread is also complete and utter nonsense. In fact it helps compensate for a weaker offensive line as it forces defenders to spread out and opens lanes. It also is more conducive to QB boot legs which is why you have athletes like Gray and Weber at QB to begin with.

BTW, nobody called for Brewster to be fired. We just questioned his judgment and suggested he is a better recruiter than a coach.



Jim Frenette -> RE: Gopher Football (10/20/2009 9:43:08 AM)

Karl

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My best case senario is that Weber finally gets it together & Gray gets some playing time this year. Next year, Gray uses his redshirt and Alipate becomes a capable #2 as a redshirt freshman. Then the following year when Weber is gone, Gray & Alipate battle it out, both with 3 years of eligability left. Parish will be there too if he's legit.


At what point do they have to declare a player a red shirt? I've seen Alipate in uniform on the sideline this year already. Can't remember what game, but it was at home



TJSweens -> RE: Gopher Football (10/20/2009 9:48:50 AM)

It's already too late to red shirt Gray.



So.Mn.Fan -> RE: Gopher Football (10/20/2009 10:15:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Weber's only assets are that he's a pretty good athlete and tough.  When you  make him a drop back passer you take that away from him.  


Bingo.
And good stuff, Sweens. From another un-educated rube here.
Webers had some brutal days.
OL is a work in progress obviously. Is Weber?
We're on an unsuccesful path at this point. Deny it if you want.



Karl H -> RE: Gopher Football (10/20/2009 10:28:57 AM)

Ah yes. We called for a QB change ergo we are rubes.

Wow, rube offends you?  Seriously??  You must never listen to KFAN.  I would consider myself a rube along with just about everybody else at this site.


First of all the opinion comes from watching Weber play and time after time fail to check off his primary receiver. From watching his Decker dependence grow game by game.

Not much argument from me.  Again, if the coaches feel they have a better player then they should play him.


Second of all the idea that you can't run a spread offense below a certain temperature is complete and utter nonsense. Our former OC was the last to have a 500+ yard per game offense in the Big Ten...running a spread formation...at Northwestern...when they went to the Rose Bowl.

Certainly you CAN throw the ball in bad weather, it's just harder to do.  Common sense.


Last time I checked it gets pretty cold in Chicago too.

Typically not Minnesota cold.


Third of all the notion that you can't run out the spread is also complete and utter nonsense. In fact it helps compensate for a weaker offensive line as it forces defenders to spread out and opens lanes.

No argument here.  I've never said different.


It also is more conducive to QB boot legs which is why you have athletes like Gray and Weber at QB to begin with.

Parish, the recruit out of Wisconsin is also listed a duel-threat QB.  Brew has not stopped recruiting this kind of QB.


BTW, nobody called for Brewster to be fired. We just questioned his judgment and suggested he is a better recruiter than a coach.

Really?  Read back a couple of pages.  It sure sounds like some want him gone.


At what point do they have to declare a player a red shirt? I've seen Alipate in uniform on the sideline this year already. Can't remember what game, but it was at home

He can dress all he wants, it's playing time that counts.  I don't believe he's entered a game yet.



Jim Frenette -> RE: Gopher Football (10/20/2009 10:34:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: So.Mn.Fan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Weber's only assets are that he's a pretty good athlete and tough.  When you  make him a drop back passer you take that away from him.  


Bingo.
And good stuff, Sweens. From another un-educated rube here.
Webers had some brutal days.
OL is a work in progress obviously. Is Weber?
We're on an unsuccesful path at this point. Deny it if you want.


Give the kid a break, this is the 3rd offensive system he has been in since he arrived at the U 4 years ago



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