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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The MVP, so far, would have to go to Brees but it won't because of their record. 

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ORIGINAL: marty

Petey
 
I don't think you're going to see Alan Faneca or Damion Woody, or ANY OL getting the MVP, even if they MIGHT be deserving.  Nor do I think the guys you're 'pimpin', Albert Haynesworth or AP, will get it.  AP has a shot (but it hurts to have a good backup), but I think another is more likely.

I was making the case for Favre 2 weeks ago because: 

1) The Jets just went on the road to defeat both NE and the undefeated Titans,

2) The Packers are going from a 13-3 team, to one that will finish 8-8 at best, possibly 5-11. 

3) The major difference in the Packers' case being Favre

4) For the Jets, Favre is a player that is part of turnaround from 4-12

5) Favre is the LARGEST part of the Jet turnaround because QB is the most important position on the field.

AS of right now, I would say this years' MVP will probably be: QB Peyton Manning.    

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The MVP, so far, would have to go to Brees but it won't because of their record. 

If it were me and I my opinion mattered,  I would vote in this order:

1.Haynesworth(they wouldn't have half there wins without him)
2.Brees(even if they don't make the playoffs, Colston, whom drew made out, Bush missing a ton, Shockey the wuss I always thought he was,who ever heard of Nat Moore?Meachem a bust)
3.Manning(not himself until game 4 or 5, team brokedown around him strong case and stock rising.)
4.Adrian Peterson(if he can blow up these last 3 games and we end up 11-5, he moves to #1)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The MVP, so far, would have to go to Brees but it won't because of their record. 

If it were me and I my opinion mattered,  I would vote in this order:

1.Haynesworth(they wouldn't have half there wins without him)
2.Brees(even if they don't make the playoffs, Colston, whom drew made out, Bush missing a ton, Shockey the wuss I always thought he was,who ever heard of Nat Moore?Meachem a bust)
3.Manning(not himself until game 4 or 5, team brokedown around him strong case and stock rising.)
4.Adrian Peterson(if he can blow up these last 3 games and we end up 11-5, he moves to #1)

This is not my vote...but I bet they give it to Peyton Manning.

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

I agree, that the Packers have holes everywhere, but quarterback. Funny, I was on the side of Grant deserved the money after last year and the fact that runningbacks have a short shelf life, but the Packers need a runningback, they need upgrades on the oline. They need upgrades on the defensive line outside of Kampman. Linebackers are no better than ours and they have the same problem we have, their best one is out for the season. One stud (Collins) the rest duds in the secondary, this year compared to last. I think the Packers deep down knew that last years 13-3 was like one of those recent Bears 13 win seasons. Where everything went your way and you could have just as easily been 8-8.

I think a healthy Pennington, does just as well in New York as Farve.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Rodgers has played well at times, put up a lot of points.  I agree that the Packers defense is giving up A LOT more points than last year, is much more vulnerable to big plays.

However, what can't be overlooked is Rodgers 4th quarter play where he has thrown a clutch INT in almost every one of their losses.  Favre did NOT do that last year, not in the regular season.  Favre made clutch plays that put them over the top, just like he did for the Jets on the road against NE and Tennessee this year.

For the Packers, Favre saved his 4th quarter clutch INT for the Giants PLAYOFF game.   

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

I agree, that the Packers have holes everywhere, but quarterback. Funny, I was on the side of Grant deserved the money after last year and the fact that runningbacks have a short shelf life, but the Packers need a runningback, they need upgrades on the oline. They need upgrades on the defensive line outside of Kampman. Linebackers are no better than ours and they have the same problem we have, their best one is out for the season. One stud (Collins) the rest duds in the secondary, this year compared to last. I think the Packers deep down knew that last years 13-3 was like one of those recent Bears 13 win seasons. Where everything went your way and you could have just as easily been 8-8.

I think a healthy Pennington, does just as well in New York as Farve.

Agree 100%, as usual, Tim.

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I think the Packers deep down knew that last years 13-3 was like one of those recent Bears 13 win seasons. Where everything went your way and you could have just as easily been 8-8.

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The MVP, so far, would have to go to Brees but it won't because of their record. 

If it were me and I my opinion mattered,  I would vote in this order:

1.Haynesworth(they wouldn't have half there wins without him)
2.Brees(even if they don't make the playoffs, Colston, whom drew made out, Bush missing a ton, Shockey the wuss I always thought he was,who ever heard of Nat Moore?Meachem a bust)
3.Manning(not himself until game 4 or 5, team brokedown around him strong case and stock rising.)
4.Adrian Peterson(if he can blow up these last 3 games and we end up 11-5, he moves to #1)

This is not my vote...but I bet they give it to Peyton Manning.

If I were betting in Vegas, Peyton Manning is where my money goes. He probably would deserves it and the powers that be would love for him to win it.

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

What Favre brought to the Jets that Pennington didn't have is credibility.

Favre is someone whose aura and cred far exceed his actual on-field productivity (other than longevity of course).  He could have the exact same season in NY as Pennington yet people - including teammates - will say what a great leader he is and blah blah blah.  Favre's QB rating is a whole 2 points higher than Chad's was last year there.  He does have a lot more TDs and more INTs as well. 

Favre takes more chances than Chad and gets more TDs and also more mistakes.  But for some reason he inspires more confidence in his team and that helps.

But did Favre make the Jets running game go up by almost a full yard per carry?

Did Favre lower the opposing QB's rating by 10 points?

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ORIGINAL: marty

The running game works better with the same RB when: your QB has a quicker release, is more decisive, the passing game is more deceptive, you convert more 3rd downs, you exude confidence, and you add some OL that are good blockers. 

Favre HAS helped the Jets run game, and the Packers run game has gotten worse with the same people, minus the QB. 

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: marty

The running game works better with the same RB when: your QB has a quicker release, is more decisive, the passing game is more deceptive, you convert more 3rd downs, you exude confidence, and you add some OL that are good blockers. 

Favre HAS helped the Jets run game, and the Packers run game has gotten worse with the same people, minus the QB. 

Everybody and their sister knows that the success of the Packer's running game last year was all smoke and mirrors.  Everybody laughed when Ryan Grant wanted that big contract because everybody knew he sucked and wouldn't be able to duplicate it. 

The Jet's improved running game has little to do with Favre and a lot to do with Alan Faneca. 

You give Favre way too much credit here.  (are you John Madden in disguise?)

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

On NFL Live, both Mark Schlereth and Tim Hasselbeck picked the Bears to win the NFC North division, yet both just picked the Saints to beat the Bears tonight.


Does that make sense to anyone else?