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SoMnFan -> RE: NFL News (1/18/2011 9:54:49 AM)

Damn.
Maroney had it all.
I thought he'd be busting runs in NE forever.
One hell of a RB at the U for us. Threat every time he touched the ball.




David Levine -> RE: NFL News (1/18/2011 11:00:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Damn.
Maroney had it all.
I thought he'd be busting runs in NE forever.
One hell of a RB at the U for us. Threat every time he touched the ball.


I don't think anyone would've ever guessed that Barber would be the better NFL RB.




Stacey King -> RE: NFL News (1/18/2011 1:52:27 PM)

Matt Mosley

Former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Patrick Crayton was never shy about speaking his mind. And last week, the Chargers receiver popped on "The Ben & Skin Show" on to 103.3 ESPN Radio to talk about a variety of topics, including the work of rookie Dez Bryant.

"They let him get away with a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff," Crayton said of Bryant. "Hopefully whoever they bring in as receivers coach, and they say [Jason] Garrett is a disciplinarian, won't let him get away with so much stuff. He'll get locked down and hopefully be the next Michael Irvin."

Crayton's not a fan of Garrett's, as you might have gathered from that little jab. But it's interesting what he said about Bryant, who was reportedly late to several meetings during the season and didn't exactly commit the playbook to memory. Former Cowboys scout Bryan Broaddus, who now works for 103.3, recently wondered aloud (on the air) whether Dallas might listen to trade offers for Bryant.

ESPNDallas.com's Calvin Watkins posed that question to someone in the Cowboys' front office.

"I would think about it," said the source.

I think Bryant has way too much upside for the Cowboys to think about trading him, but it's interesting that someone at Valley Ranch is at least open to the possibility. Even if a team offered a top-15 draft pick for Bryant, are we convinced the Cowboys would turn two first-round picks into gold?

One look at this defense shows you how the Cowboys haven't exactly owned the first round of the draft. Cornerback Mike Jenkins is coming off an awful season, defensive end Marcus Spears is probably headed out the door via free agency and outside linebacker Anthony Spencer disappeared in 2010. On the other side of the ball, Felix Jones has not emerged as one of the top backs from his first-round class.

We've always known Bryant was a top-10 talent who slid in the draft because of character concerns, so let's not act like it's a huge surprise that he's not the first guy to arrive at every meeting. Garrett sent wide receivers coach Ray Sherman packing, in part, because he gained a reputation for coddling some of his more outspoken players. Now that Garrett's in charge, it's incumbent on him to make sure that Bryant continues to mature as a player and person.

It's not like this offense has enough firepower to consider trading a playmaker of Bryant's caliber.




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (1/22/2011 2:53:38 PM)

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If Bill Walsh can become famous because of Joe Montana and Jerry Rice and pretend he's a genius because he ran something called "The West Coast Offense," which was actually invented by Jerry Burns on the prairie, then Frazier and Musgrave should realize that a good nickname can lead to the Hall of Fame.


I see this mentioned a lot and it is simply not true

1. Bill Walsh designed his offense around Virgil Carter in 1970. In 1969, the Bengals (where Walsh was OC) ran a deep passing game patterned after Sid Gilman and Al Davis. The QB, Greg Cook, averaged 9+ yards a passing attempt. He got hurt and never really played again. The 1970 QB, Carter, had a weak but accurate arm so Walsh designed shallow crossing routes to free up the WRs. That is where it came from. No way did he steal it from the 69 Vikings whose #1 WR averaged over 21 yards per catch with Joe Kapp. The #2 WR was averaging over 16 yards per catch - hardly a west coast offense. The Vikings version wouldn't come until years later when Tarkenton came back and Foreman was added to the team.

2. Walsh became famous because of Montana and Rice? Nuts. Rice wasn't even on the 49ers for 2 of Walsh's 3 SB wins. Montana was a 3rd round draft pick who became good in large part BECAUSE of Bill Walsh and his offensive ability.

3. Walsh became famous because he won 3 Super Bowls. Those SBs weren't won solely by Joe Montana. The 49ers defense was ranked 2, 1, and 8 the years they won the SB. The offense was ranked 7, 2, and 7 those years.

It is amazing how bad journalism is today. Repeat an inaccurate statement enough time and people believe it




Bill Jandro -> RE: RE:NFL News (1/23/2011 12:01:21 PM)

Walsh created the WCO because his team could not run the ball. He designed a short rythem passing game throwing to the RB's alot in order to move the chains and sustain drives with some semblence of ball control.

Why teams with a running game run this offense still today is borderline moronic.




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (1/23/2011 1:36:05 PM)

Another Bingo for Jandro!




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/1/2011 7:12:54 AM)

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Troy Polamalu named AP's top defender
No way should he have gotten it over Clay




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/1/2011 8:39:01 AM)

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The Philadelphia Eagles can be accused of messing up in a lot of areas, but one thing no one will ever accuse them of is being bad businessmen.

They usually know how to get top dollar for their assets while paying basement prices to keep or acquire players they covet.

But in the case of Kevin Kolb, I think the Eagles are guilty of over-valuing and over-pricing what they have.

Reports indicate that the Eagles will be asking for two first-round picks and perhaps a couple mid- to late-round picks as well. But when we look at Kolb's body of work, it becomes very clear very quickly that he's not worth anything near that price.

In four years with the team, Kolb has completed just under 61 percent of his passes, but has thrown 14 interceptions to only 11 touchdowns. And in the 19 games he's played since coming out of Houston as a second-round pick in 2007, he's only played two games at a starting-caliber level (against Kansas City in 2009, and against the Atlanta Falcons this past season).

Outside of that, he had decent games against the San Francisco 49ers and Washington Redskins this past season, but take note of the teams mentioned. Neither were exactly dominating defenses, and he made several mistakes in those games as well.

The quarterback-needy teams who might consider targeting Kolb—the 49ers, Arizona Cardinals, Minnesota Vikings, Tennessee Titans and perhaps the Cincinnati Bengals if Carson Palmer is traded or retires—have watched and are aware of those games.

Do Andy Reid and Howie Roseman truly believe that after a team watches his career and can pick, at most, three games out of 19 that were played a starting-caliber level, they're going to be willing to give up even a single first-round pick?


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/590361-philadelphia-eagles-will-be-disappointed-in-trade-offers-for-kevin-kolb




Cheesehead Craig -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/1/2011 3:58:14 PM)

Agree with that completely.  Kolb isn't worth what Cutler was, and Chicago likely overpaid for Jay as well.  I wouldn't even pay 1 first rounder for Kolb.




djskillz -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/1/2011 10:29:18 PM)

This is awesome. Man he was great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs-1hPkLKeQ




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/2/2011 7:11:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

Agree with that completely.  Kolb isn't worth what Cutler was, and Chicago likely overpaid for Jay as well.  I wouldn't even pay 1 first rounder for Kolb.

He may garner a #2 at best

People have seen enough of Kolb




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/2/2011 7:26:45 AM)

Sanders on why Asante Samuel is not a HOF CB - I agree

Sanders was NOT the best CB ever - several guys were better. He was one of the best cover guys but to be the best CB you have to tackle. Mike Haynes was just as good as Sanders in coverage but a stronger tackler as was Lester Hayes. The best CB ever though was Rod Woodson until he blew his knee up. He had the speed of Sanders with the strength of a Troy Vincent. Revis is developing to be mentioned in the same league in terms of coverage but he doesn't have the top end speed of Woodson or Sanders.


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Samuel is regarded as one of the league's best ballhawks. But he is not really considered a "shutdown" corner like Revis or Asomugha. He doesn't like to play press coverage, and relies on his impressive instincts and anticipation skills to pick off passes often intended for receivers other than the man he is covering.

Still, according to STATS, he allowed only 20 completions and one TD this season. Only Asomugha (13) and Revis (19) gave up fewer completions on passes targeted at them.

"There's a difference between a good corner and an [elite] corner," he said. "Woodson, Revis, guys like that, they're [elite], man. You tell 'em to take this guy, they'll say, 'I got him.' Tell them to take that guy, they'll say, 'I got him.' Left side, right side, in the slot, doesn't matter.

"It's like the difference between a first- and second-down [running] back and an every-down back. Marshall Faulk was an every-down back.

"Same thing with a corner. You got a [top] corner, he's going to go to this side or that side. Wherever the best receiver is. He can do it all. That's a corner. That's what I love."


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20110202_Deion_Sanders_says_Samuel_is_good_but_not_a_Hall_of_Famer.html?c=0.8730089516723796&posted=y&viewAll=y#comments
(Samuel only plays the defensive left side)

Sanders was NOT the best CB ever - several guys were better. He was one of the best cover guys but to be the best CB you have to tackle. Mike Haynes was just as good as Sanders in coverage but a stronger tackler as was Lester Hayes. The best CB ever though was Rod Woodson until he blew his knee up. He had the speed of Sanders with the strength of a Troy Vincent. Revis is developing to be mentioned in the same league in terms of coverage but he doesn't have the top end speed of Woodson or Sanders.




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/3/2011 7:40:36 AM)

Great article on how much the passing game has changed

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/25750/andre-reed-has-strong-hall-of-fame-case

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Steve Largent is another example of how stats don't quantify a receiver's worth like they used to. Largent retired after the 1989 season as the NFL's all-time leading receiver with 819 catches. He, too, was a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

Twenty-one years later, Largent ranks 20th in receptions behind such names as Derrick Mason, Torry Holt, Keenan McCardell, Muhsin Muhammad and fullback Larry Centers.

In 1985, only four players had caught 600 passes. The list is 55 players long now.

"It doesn't necessarily undermine a player's ability to get into the Hall of Fame because he had great stats or doesn't have great stats," Largent said Monday from his office in Washington D.C. "You're looking for a guy who was the total package."




SoMnFan -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/3/2011 9:14:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Walsh created the WCO because his team could not run the ball. He designed a short rythem passing game throwing to the RB's alot in order to move the chains and sustain drives with some semblence of ball control.

Why teams with a running game run this offense still today is borderline moronic.

Nails it for me.
When we used it during the Burnsie years (imo) it created opportunities (thru play-calling) for our running game.
It (the wco) was how we moved chains. Using it now, with AD on the team, is counter-productive and confusing.
And the "minds" calling plays the last couple of years have had about one/tenth the imagination Jerry Burns had.
Wrong people, using the wrong system. The abilities of Favre/Harvin/Rice/AD overcame the wrongs for one very good year, but time, injuries, and reality set in this past year.  




SoMnFan -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/3/2011 1:56:51 PM)

Bengals hire Jay Gruden to run their offense.
Falcons give their coach Mike Smith a three-year extension.
Bill B wins third AP Coach of Year award.
Bill Muir promoted to OC in KC.




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/3/2011 10:33:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Walsh created the WCO because his team could not run the ball. He designed a short rythem passing game throwing to the RB's alot in order to move the chains and sustain drives with some semblence of ball control.

Why teams with a running game run this offense still today is borderline moronic.

Nails it for me.
When we used it during the Burnsie years (imo) it created opportunities (thru play-calling) for our running game.
It (the wco) was how we moved chains. Using it now, with AD on the team, is counter-productive and confusing.
And the "minds" calling plays the last couple of years have had about one/tenth the imagination Jerry Burns had.
Wrong people, using the wrong system. The abilities of Favre/Harvin/Rice/AD overcame the wrongs for one very good year, but time, injuries, and reality set in this past year.  


I agree.

It is exactly the wrong offense for us. The WCO runs a lot of shallow crosses which crowds the area close to the LOS with more defenders




SoMnFan -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/6/2011 7:54:32 PM)

Tom Brady named the Leagues first-ever unanimous AP MVP.
[8|]




djskillz -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/6/2011 10:04:22 PM)

Nah. The dude sucks, man. Haven't you heard?

BB also coach of the year again. Obviously sucks too.

[;)]




thebigo -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/9/2011 10:37:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Nah. The dude sucks, man. Haven't you heard?

BB also coach of the year again. Obviously sucks too.

[;)]


BB must have cheated somehow.




Cheesehead Craig -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/9/2011 1:19:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Nah. The dude sucks, man. Haven't you heard?
[;)]

Don't worry, once the league has some film on Brady they'll be able to stop him.




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/10/2011 9:24:05 PM)

All those awards and 1 and done 2 straight years in the playoffs




Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/11/2011 2:00:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

All those awards and 1 and done 2 straight years in the playoffs


If we are talking about Tom Brady, then guess what...He hasn't won a playoff game in 4 years and hasn't managed his offense to more than 21 points in any of the four or so games he's played. 

He's turning into a great regular season QB who chokes a lot in the playoffs...like his counterpart...Peyton Manning.




djskillz -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/11/2011 3:27:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

All those awards and 1 and done 2 straight years in the playoffs


If we are talking about Tom Brady, then guess what...He hasn't won a playoff game in 4 years and hasn't managed his offense to more than 21 points in any of the four or so games he's played. 

He's turning into a great regular season QB who chokes a lot in the playoffs...like his counterpart...Peyton Manning.



I disagree. I think it has a lot more to do with the defenses he's faced. The Giants' game was won on a total fluke catch, and an amazing defense that he faced. The Jets' game this year was basically the Jets' superbowl, and was one of the best coverage displays I've ever seen put on by a defense.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/11/2011 3:52:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

All those awards and 1 and done 2 straight years in the playoffs


If we are talking about Tom Brady, then guess what...He hasn't won a playoff game in 4 years and hasn't managed his offense to more than 21 points in any of the four or so games he's played. 

He's turning into a great regular season QB who chokes a lot in the playoffs...like his counterpart...Peyton Manning.



I disagree. I think it has a lot more to do with the defenses he's faced. The Giants' game was won on a total fluke catch, and an amazing defense that he faced. The Jets' game this year was basically the Jets' superbowl, and was one of the best coverage displays I've ever seen put on by a defense.


Except you forget that in the last four games in the playoffs, Brady hasn't put more than 21 points on the board.  And three of those games he had the good Randy Moss.  A good QB overcomes the better defenses enough to win.  Brady is like 0-4 in his last four playoff games...and the first was with the most prolific scoring offense in NFL history.  Brady isn't what he was anymore.  He's still good...but recent history suggests a choking dog in the playoffs. 




djskillz -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/11/2011 3:55:15 PM)

Eh, disagree.

Fluke game to the Giants.
Then he was playing hurt for the next couple games, right?
And then this year was a "rebuilding" year for the Pats (awful overall talent around him) and he faced one of the best defensive teams in that game (coverage-wise) that I've ever seen.

I also don't really see 21 points as some great cutoff. People forget that he "won" that Giants game with a great drive down the field; then the defense failed him with that fluke play by the Giants. He also won the 1st of those 4 games, 21-12, to the Chargers.

The defense was not that good at all in the Jets' game either. Or the Ravens game last year, when I believe he was hurt if I'm remembering right. The defense is what has changed for NE really.

I would not write off Tom Brady, Bill Belichick or the Pats at all. After this draft they're going to be set up for years.




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