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Mark Anderson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 9:58:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I like what you say, but I also think that most of these early college games are not very competitive. I like to watch a game where the outcome is not clear in the fourth quarter. When we get into conference play I believe that will change, though. UCLA/Memphis and TENN/Florida were great games.

Phil Riewer -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 10:02:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 12:25:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I like what you say, but I also think that most of these early college games are not very competitive. I like to watch a game where the outcome is not clear in the fourth quarter. When we get into conference play I believe that will change, though. UCLA/Memphis and TENN/Florida were great games. I did see the Tennessee vs Florida game conclusion. I agree with you even though I was rooting for Tennessee. UCLA and Memphis were not on my radar, but I'm sure they should have been.

JT2 -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 12:36:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I like what you say, but I also think that most of these early college games are not very competitive. I like to watch a game where the outcome is not clear in the fourth quarter. When we get into conference play I believe that will change, though. UCLA/Memphis and TENN/Florida were great games. Anthony Miller is the best small WR in the country.

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 1:19:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there. Barring injury, No. 1 pick.

Phil Riewer -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 1:21:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. I actually looked it up, Leinhart has better measureables. 4.90 40, inch taller, 35 on wonderlic....10th pick in draft. Probably where I would draft Darnold too.

thebigo -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 2:06:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. I actually looked it up, Leinhart has better measureables. 4.90 40, inch taller, 35 on wonderlic....10th pick in draft. Probably where I would draft Darnold too. And hope he turns out a damn sight better than Leinart.

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 2:41:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. I actually looked it up, Leinhart has better measureables. 4.90 40, inch taller, 35 on wonderlic....10th pick in draft. Probably where I would draft Darnold too. Barring injury, No. 1 pick.

Phil Riewer -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 3:32:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. I actually looked it up, Leinhart has better measureables. 4.90 40, inch taller, 35 on wonderlic....10th pick in draft. Probably where I would draft Darnold too. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. SI & ESPN have Derwin James at 1 other sites have Lamar Jackson higher at QB---Jackson, Darnold, and Mayfield top 3 QBs.

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 10:08:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. I actually looked it up, Leinhart has better measureables. 4.90 40, inch taller, 35 on wonderlic....10th pick in draft. Probably where I would draft Darnold too. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. SI & ESPN have Derwin James at 1 other sites have Lamar Jackson higher at QB---Jackson, Darnold, and Mayfield top 3 QBs. Barring injury, No. 1 pick.

Steve Lentz -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/19/2017 10:32:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. I actually looked it up, Leinhart has better measureables. 4.90 40, inch taller, 35 on wonderlic....10th pick in draft. Probably where I would draft Darnold too. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. SI & ESPN have Derwin James at 1 other sites have Lamar Jackson higher at QB---Jackson, Darnold, and Mayfield top 3 QBs. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. Too early to know that.

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/20/2017 7:54:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: JC2015 Darnold has had a rough start (for him) this year but scouts talk about him as a high level prospect - like one of the best in years We shall see I hate to say it but from what I saw Darnold looked like a right handed Leinhart to me. Doesn't seem all that athletic to me and then I read he runs a 4.95 40.....he better start training with Tom Brady to get there. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. I actually looked it up, Leinhart has better measureables. 4.90 40, inch taller, 35 on wonderlic....10th pick in draft. Probably where I would draft Darnold too. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. SI & ESPN have Derwin James at 1 other sites have Lamar Jackson higher at QB---Jackson, Darnold, and Mayfield top 3 QBs. Barring injury, No. 1 pick. Too early to know that. Four first round quarterbacks: Sam Darnold Josh Allen Mason Rudolph Josh Rosen Baker Mayfield is at-best is a 2-3-round guy. Lamar Jackson is nothing more than a late-round flyer. Again, barring big injuries. The NFL already knows what kind of talent these kids have. They could give a shit how Sam Darnold looks against Texas or Mason Rudolph against Texas Tech. It's all about size, arm strength, footwork and decision making. As much as people get enamored with Lamar Jackson's foot speed, he's a 56% passer, which won't cut it in the NFL. I could see Josh Allen dropping a bit for the same reason, but he's in a bit of a different situation being at a small school like Wyoming with little talent around him. Mayfield is a guy that could move up, but his height will hurt him and keep him out of the top-20.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/20/2017 12:39:48 PM)
I would take Mayfield in a heartbeat. Dude reminds me of Brees. Smaller but can make all the throws, athletic enough and fiery.

SoMnFan -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/20/2017 1:13:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I would take Mayfield in a heartbeat. Dude reminds me of Brees. Smaller but can make all the throws, athletic enough and fiery. Dudes a fighter I likey

Jeff Jesser -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/20/2017 2:28:19 PM)
Would love to take him in the 2nd, as Brad predicts he'll go.

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/21/2017 9:57:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Would love to take him in the 2nd, as Brad predicts he'll go. Another smaller guy worth a look after the first couple of rounds is the kid from Penn State.

Phil Riewer -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/21/2017 12:01:02 PM)
Darnold looks like a right handed Leinhart except slower. Lots of talent on that USC team....don't see Darnold being even a Andrew Luck type w/o a lot of work. 40 times Luck 4.67 Baker Mayfield 4.71 Mason Rudolph 4.77 Carson Wentz 4.77 Sam Bradford 4.78 Leinhart 4.9 Darnold 4.95 Brady 5.28

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/21/2017 3:04:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Darnold looks like a right handed Leinhart except slower. Lots of talent on that USC team....don't see Darnold being even a Andrew Luck type w/o a lot of work. 40 times Luck 4.67 Baker Mayfield 4.71 Mason Rudolph 4.77 Carson Wentz 4.77 Sam Bradford 4.78 Leinhart 4.9 Darnold 4.95 Brady 5.28 40-times are not a barometer for quick feet or great quarterback play. Darnold has an amazing pocket presence and understands how to buy time. There's a lot of quarterbacks with great 40-times that had zero ability to play in the NFL. And for what it's worth, this is the worst wide receiving corps the Trojans have had in about two decades. They've already dropped about 15 passes this season in three games, including seven last week. At the end of the day, what he did in the final 30 seconds against Texas is far more important to NFL scouts than his 40-time. The kid is in total command when it counts. Anybody not seeing that has an obvious bias.

Mark Anderson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/21/2017 4:38:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Darnold looks like a right handed Leinhart except slower. Lots of talent on that USC team....don't see Darnold being even a Andrew Luck type w/o a lot of work. 40 times Luck 4.67 Baker Mayfield 4.71 Mason Rudolph 4.77 Carson Wentz 4.77 Sam Bradford 4.78 Leinhart 4.9 Darnold 4.95 Brady 5.28 40-times are not a barometer for quick feet or great quarterback play. Darnold has an amazing pocket presence and understands how to buy time. There's a lot of quarterbacks with great 40-times that had zero ability to play in the NFL. And for what it's worth, this is the worst wide receiving corps the Trojans have had in about two decades. They've already dropped about 15 passes this season in three games, including seven last week. At the end of the day, what he did in the final 30 seconds against Texas is far more important to NFL scouts than his 40-time. The kid is in total command when it counts. Anybody not seeing that has an obvious bias. He threw to some wide open guys because of blown coverages and soft zones. He was impressive against Penn State last year but he was mediocre against this rebuilding Texas team. He's an Andy Dalton type guy. Will he surpass Carson Palmer as the best USC QB we have seen in the last 20 years? Maybe?

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/21/2017 6:05:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Darnold looks like a right handed Leinhart except slower. Lots of talent on that USC team....don't see Darnold being even a Andrew Luck type w/o a lot of work. 40 times Luck 4.67 Baker Mayfield 4.71 Mason Rudolph 4.77 Carson Wentz 4.77 Sam Bradford 4.78 Leinhart 4.9 Darnold 4.95 Brady 5.28 40-times are not a barometer for quick feet or great quarterback play. Darnold has an amazing pocket presence and understands how to buy time. There's a lot of quarterbacks with great 40-times that had zero ability to play in the NFL. And for what it's worth, this is the worst wide receiving corps the Trojans have had in about two decades. They've already dropped about 15 passes this season in three games, including seven last week. At the end of the day, what he did in the final 30 seconds against Texas is far more important to NFL scouts than his 40-time. The kid is in total command when it counts. Anybody not seeing that has an obvious bias. He threw to some wide open guys because of blown coverages and soft zones. He was impressive against Penn State last year but he was mediocre against this rebuilding Texas team. He's an Andy Dalton type guy. Will he surpass Carson Palmer as the best USC QB we have seen in the last 20 years? Maybe? Texas' defensive line dominated the line of scrimmage. If you can't run the ball and you have mediocre wide receivers, your options are limited. What I'd say to most people is, don't judge him based on one game. Judge him on his entire body of work and skill set. Like it or not, he's the most talented quarterback in the draft. And lets not forget, he's only played about 10 college football games.

Mark Anderson -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/21/2017 9:27:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Darnold looks like a right handed Leinhart except slower. Lots of talent on that USC team....don't see Darnold being even a Andrew Luck type w/o a lot of work. 40 times Luck 4.67 Baker Mayfield 4.71 Mason Rudolph 4.77 Carson Wentz 4.77 Sam Bradford 4.78 Leinhart 4.9 Darnold 4.95 Brady 5.28 40-times are not a barometer for quick feet or great quarterback play. Darnold has an amazing pocket presence and understands how to buy time. There's a lot of quarterbacks with great 40-times that had zero ability to play in the NFL. And for what it's worth, this is the worst wide receiving corps the Trojans have had in about two decades. They've already dropped about 15 passes this season in three games, including seven last week. At the end of the day, what he did in the final 30 seconds against Texas is far more important to NFL scouts than his 40-time. The kid is in total command when it counts. Anybody not seeing that has an obvious bias. He threw to some wide open guys because of blown coverages and soft zones. He was impressive against Penn State last year but he was mediocre against this rebuilding Texas team. He's an Andy Dalton type guy. Will he surpass Carson Palmer as the best USC QB we have seen in the last 20 years? Maybe? Texas' defensive line dominated the line of scrimmage. If you can't run the ball and you have mediocre wide receivers, your options are limited. What I'd say to most people is, don't judge him based on one game. Judge him on his entire body of work and skill set. Like it or not, he's the most talented quarterback in the draft. And lets not forget, he's only played about 10 college football games. I'm judging him as a starter in the NFL with probably a pretty solid career.

Phil Riewer -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/22/2017 6:58:22 AM)
I don't know if you remember what was said about Leidner last year by McShay....but they thought he was a 1st round talent before the year started. Anyone that watched the Gophers play the year before knew he wasn't that good. The draft class this past year mostly Kizer, Mahomes, etc. was supposed to be one of the worst but all those guys have done is look good.....so I have a tough time agreeing with you when you are touting your favorite schools QB as the #1 pick, just saying.

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/22/2017 7:37:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I don't know if you remember what was said about Leidner last year by McShay....but they thought he was a 1st round talent before the year started. Anyone that watched the Gophers play the year before knew he wasn't that good. The draft class this past year mostly Kizer, Mahomes, etc. was supposed to be one of the worst but all those guys have done is look good.....so I have a tough time agreeing with you when you are touting your favorite schools QB as the #1 pick, just saying. Please, lets not compare Leidner to Darnold. That's a complete injustice. And for what it's worth, USC is not my favorite team. I've been rooting for the Gophers for 50 years. I had an opportunity to go to the USC game last week (for free) and turned it down. I've been a realist on USC for years. I said Mike Williams was too slow. I said Lienart had a suspect arm. I said John David Booty was awful. Admittedly, I thought Jarrett would be a decent player. As for Kizer and Mahomes, we'll wait and see. Right now Kizer has a 57% completion percentage and one touchdown against four interceptions. That's a long ways from a good start.

Phil Riewer -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/22/2017 8:35:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I don't know if you remember what was said about Leidner last year by McShay....but they thought he was a 1st round talent before the year started. Anyone that watched the Gophers play the year before knew he wasn't that good. The draft class this past year mostly Kizer, Mahomes, etc. was supposed to be one of the worst but all those guys have done is look good.....so I have a tough time agreeing with you when you are touting your favorite schools QB as the #1 pick, just saying. Please, lets not compare Leidner to Darnold. That's a complete injustice. And for what it's worth, USC is not my favorite team. I've been rooting for the Gophers for 50 years. I had an opportunity to go to the USC game last week (for free) and turned it down. I've been a realist on USC for years. I said Mike Williams was too slow. I said Lienart had a suspect arm. I said John David Booty was awful. Admittedly, I thought Jarrett would be a decent player. As for Kizer and Mahomes, we'll wait and see. Right now Kizer has a 57% completion percentage and one touchdown against four interceptions. That's a long ways from a good start. You were high on more USC guys than that and the PAC 10 in general......Booty was a 4th to 5th round pick. How many of those guys were #1 picks? The average QB is very athletic....Wentz, Bradford, etc. are very athletic guys that look slow on the NFL field....how do you think Darnold will look? All I am saying is he has to go the Brady route....work on his foot work immensely and be able to be better than a slow dancing bear back there. He is going to scare off a lot of teams. I don't see him as the #1 pick, 1st round yes. Can he be as good as Big Ben?

Brad H -> RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) (9/22/2017 9:06:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I don't know if you remember what was said about Leidner last year by McShay....but they thought he was a 1st round talent before the year started. Anyone that watched the Gophers play the year before knew he wasn't that good. The draft class this past year mostly Kizer, Mahomes, etc. was supposed to be one of the worst but all those guys have done is look good.....so I have a tough time agreeing with you when you are touting your favorite schools QB as the #1 pick, just saying. Please, lets not compare Leidner to Darnold. That's a complete injustice. And for what it's worth, USC is not my favorite team. I've been rooting for the Gophers for 50 years. I had an opportunity to go to the USC game last week (for free) and turned it down. I've been a realist on USC for years. I said Mike Williams was too slow. I said Lienart had a suspect arm. I said John David Booty was awful. Admittedly, I thought Jarrett would be a decent player. As for Kizer and Mahomes, we'll wait and see. Right now Kizer has a 57% completion percentage and one touchdown against four interceptions. That's a long ways from a good start. You were high on more USC guys than that and the PAC 10 in general......Booty was a 4th to 5th round pick. How many of those guys were #1 picks? The average QB is very athletic....Wentz, Bradford, etc. are very athletic guys that look slow on the NFL field....how do you think Darnold will look? All I am saying is he has to go the Brady route....work on his foot work immensely and be able to be better than a slow dancing bear back there. He is going to scare off a lot of teams. I don't see him as the #1 pick, 1st round yes. Can he be as good as Big Ben? He'll be fine. He moves well in the pocket, has a quick release, doesn't get too emotional and is very smart. And for it's worth, I was never a believer that Barkley was going to be any good either. He was the same quarterback at USC when he left as when he arrived. He had a strong arm, but would often try to fit the ball into holes that weren't there with his big arm. And also, I wouldn't put Bradford into the athletic category.

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