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twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 11:49:59 AM)

Don't discount the possibility that Molitor may be smart enough to RUN!



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 11:53:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

There's no way anything good will come to us if dumb, dumber, and dumbest are still here when our young talent emerges.
My positivity will return when Molitor is promoted.



What if they fire Gardy, essentially escorting his buddy Andy out the door at the same time, but DON'T hire Molitor to be manager?


What if they hire someone else?

For me, it would depend on who they hire. If they go after multi team failures like Manny Acta then I would be furious. If they stayed in house and hired say Scott "failed at every single other coaching job I've had" Ulger, I would once again be furious.

If they hire someone who knows how to win, and work with young players though...


They promote Vavra. [:-]



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 12:06:42 PM)

It could be Steinbach too, if Molly doesn't want the gig but wants to "help".



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 12:22:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

I was shocked they gave GeneO a shot at AAA
It turned out pretty well, IMO.
He may be my second choice.
One thing I can agree with TGS on .... Screw the usual retreads out there.



Dougie would be my second choice.



MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 12:28:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

I was shocked they gave GeneO a shot at AAA
It turned out pretty well, IMO.
He may be my second choice.
One thing I can agree with TGS on .... Screw the usual retreads out there.



Dougie would be my second choice.


In 1986, Twins hired a young manager who turned out pretty good.......manager was 36 at the time.

Dougie is 40 and is a young manager.

First choice in Molitor
Second, Steinbach
Third, Dougie
Fourth, Outside the system.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 12:38:19 PM)

Any coaching staff with any one of the first 3 should have all 3 on-staff.



MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 12:42:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Any coaching staff with any one of the first 3 should have all 3 on-staff.


absolutely.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 12:47:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Any coaching staff with any one of the first 3 should have all 3 on-staff.


Make that all 4. Plus (soon) Jake Mauer. Though it's good to have some good managers in the minors to ensure these guys are developed right along the way.



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 1:03:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Any coaching staff with any one of the first 3 should have all 3 on-staff.


How about Joe Mauer as a player/manager?

[sm=vomit.gif]



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 1:18:09 PM)

Anyone else worried about the Yankees' dominance of the international prospect market this year? By all indications they are in heavy and are the favorites to land something like 12-15 of the top 30 international guys this year, taking advantage of a loophole before it closes and going "way over" in their signing pool. I hate it. That really "should" pay big, big dividends for them in a few years.

And what's most maddening is we're talking about $10-20M here; not crazy dollars at all for 10-15 guys. You pay high draft picks way more than that. The Twins can and SHOULD be doing the same thing. Seems like we have not waded into the international pool as much since Sano/Polanco/Kepler. Which is dumb. Those are EXACTLY the areas where a smaller market team should be taking advantage, especially with the development system that the Twins have created internationally. I wonder if that was a Bill Smith push and we're actually missing him as GM on that front?



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 1:22:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Anyone else worried about the Yankees' dominance of the international prospect market this year? By all indications they are in heavy and are the favorites to land something like 12-15 of the top 30 international guys this year, taking advantage of a loophole before it closes and going "way over" in their signing pool. I hate it. That really "should" pay big, big dividends for them in a few years.

And what's most maddening is we're talking about $10-20M here; not crazy dollars at all for 10-15 guys. You pay high draft picks way more than that. The Twins can and SHOULD be doing the same thing. Seems like we have not waded into the international pool as much since Sano/Polanco/Kepler. Which is dumb. Those are EXACTLY the areas where a smaller market team should be taking advantage, especially with the development system that the Twins have created internationally. I wonder if that was a Bill Smith push and we're actually missing him as GM on that front?


The entire ML system if F-ed! You see it every day on this website Dustin. You know we all feel it needs to be over-hauled. It is really quite pathetic. [X(]



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 1:24:59 PM)

I don't think the system is all that bad overall. Teams like the Rays/A's do just fine. And Houston will be good again soon, etc. Yes, there are "haves" and "have nots" but you can overcome a lot of that with smart decisions and talent evaluation. Unfortunately the Twins are a "have not" and have awful management.



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 1:31:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I don't think the system is all that bad overall. Teams like the Rays/A's do just fine. And Houston will be good again soon, etc. Yes, there are "haves" and "have nots" but you can overcome a lot of that with smart decisions and talent evaluation. Unfortunately the Twins are a "have not" and have awful management.


The league is built upon the large market venues. This is unlike the NFL, NBA or NHL that have very successful franchises in smaller market venues. MLB needs to clean itself up or will continue to have the same problems it currently has with decades-long teams that never make the playoffs.



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 1:33:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MDK

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

I was shocked they gave GeneO a shot at AAA
It turned out pretty well, IMO.
He may be my second choice.
One thing I can agree with TGS on .... Screw the usual retreads out there.



Dougie would be my second choice.


In 1986, Twins hired a young manager who turned out pretty good.......manager was 36 at the time.

Dougie is 40 and is a young manager.

First choice in Molitor
Second, Steinbach
Third, Dougie
Fourth, Outside the system.


Yep
Forgot Dougie alphabet
Hell, he may be my top choice, for the way he's proven he can handle young bucks



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 1:34:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Anyone else worried about the Yankees' dominance of the international prospect market this year? By all indications they are in heavy and are the favorites to land something like 12-15 of the top 30 international guys this year, taking advantage of a loophole before it closes and going "way over" in their signing pool. I hate it. That really "should" pay big, big dividends for them in a few years.

And what's most maddening is we're talking about $10-20M here; not crazy dollars at all for 10-15 guys. You pay high draft picks way more than that. The Twins can and SHOULD be doing the same thing. Seems like we have not waded into the international pool as much since Sano/Polanco/Kepler. Which is dumb. Those are EXACTLY the areas where a smaller market team should be taking advantage, especially with the development system that the Twins have created internationally. I wonder if that was a Bill Smith push and we're actually missing him as GM on that front?

Not worried
Impressed
As usual
Say what you want they are always innovative, aggressive, and willing to do WHATEVER IT TAKES.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 1:46:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I don't think the system is all that bad overall. Teams like the Rays/A's do just fine. And Houston will be good again soon, etc. Yes, there are "haves" and "have nots" but you can overcome a lot of that with smart decisions and talent evaluation. Unfortunately the Twins are a "have not" and have awful management.


The league is built upon the large market venues. This is unlike the NFL, NBA or NHL that have very successful franchises in smaller market venues. MLB needs to clean itself up or will continue to have the same problems it currently has with decades-long teams that never make the playoffs.


Really? Who would those teams be? Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are doing just fine. Tampa is doing just fine. Cincinnati, Kansas City, Baltimore; all doing fine these days. Seattle. The list goes on. Those are some of the very smallest markets in all of baseball. Heck, St. Louis is a comparable market to the Twins and they're the 2nd most successful franchise in the history of the sport.



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 3:12:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I don't think the system is all that bad overall. Teams like the Rays/A's do just fine. And Houston will be good again soon, etc. Yes, there are "haves" and "have nots" but you can overcome a lot of that with smart decisions and talent evaluation. Unfortunately the Twins are a "have not" and have awful management.


The league is built upon the large market venues. This is unlike the NFL, NBA or NHL that have very successful franchises in smaller market venues. MLB needs to clean itself up or will continue to have the same problems it currently has with decades-long teams that never make the playoffs.


Really? Who would those teams be? Pittsburgh and Milwaukee are doing just fine. Tampa is doing just fine. Cincinnati, Kansas City, Baltimore; all doing fine these days. Seattle. The list goes on. Those are some of the very smallest markets in all of baseball. Heck, St. Louis is a comparable market to the Twins and they're the 2nd most successful franchise in the history of the sport.



Small sample size. Entirely an aberration. Most seasons, San Fran, an LA team, Skankees, Boston, Philly, etc., are in the playoffs. It will adjust to the norm as it always does. Ridiculous to say that the teams you listed are "doing just fine". For some of those teams, the first time in twenty years or more.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/29/2014 3:23:08 PM)

The point is that plenty of "small market" teams can do just fine. St. Louis, again, is a very comparable market to the Twins, middle of the pack or just below that. That's not a small sample size at all. 2nd best organization historically in baseball over 100 years. The Rays and A's have been 2 of the best teams in baseball for 10+ years now, in the A's case most of the last 40+ years. With two of the very smallest markets. Small market teams can easily compete in baseball just as they can in other sports. It's all about smart management.



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/30/2014 8:28:00 AM)

Glad to see the Bosox are breaking up the band.
Shipping out Lester is amazing really, when you think about how much success he has had there.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/30/2014 8:35:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Glad to see the Bosox are breaking up the band.
Shipping out Lester is amazing really, when you think about how much success he has had there.


Texas continues to as well, they'll throw cash in to take Rios off their hands. Some teams not willing to blame injuries. Making moves toward a future.

Twins typical move is signing the 24 year old Syd Finch guy.



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/30/2014 8:53:43 AM)

Were the Rays 18 games under at one point?
Unreal

That's belief in a manager



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/30/2014 9:03:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Were the Rays 18 games under at one point?
Unreal

That's belief in a manager


Now DON'T deal Price, could easily win that division with their pitching.



MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/30/2014 9:04:09 AM)

St. Louis is the best franchise in all sports....
Fans are terrific
Front office is smart
Ownership knows when to intervene and when to stay the hell out of the way.

And for all the crap BS took for the 2011 disaster, he was much more proactive than TR ever was. TR never did a midseason trade of substance to improve the team..........BS's problem was he had faith in Gardy, his manager, that Gardy knew baseball, i.e, capps for Wilson.

Bo knows baseball......Gardy knows crap.

Twins got more active in international signings with BS. He just listened to the wrong people about player personnel.



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/30/2014 9:11:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Were the Rays 18 games under at one point?
Unreal

That's belief in a manager


Now DON'T deal Price, could easily win that division with their pitching.

Bingo
You'll never see collapses with Maddon in charge
Just rebuilds confidence, and winners
They can still win that thing.



lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/30/2014 10:02:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Were the Rays 18 games under at one point?
Unreal

That's belief in a manager


Now DON'T deal Price, could easily win that division with their pitching.

Bingo
You'll never see collapses with Maddon in charge
Just rebuilds confidence, and winners
They can still win that thing.



Down year for the Eastern Div this year.
Wide open...anyone can win!!
Madden will find a way!
One of baseball's best managers!



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