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Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 10:32:58 AM)

Milwaukee Brewers catcher Jonathan Lucroy has vetoed a trade to the Cleveland Indians, a source confirmed to ESPN's Jim Bowden.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel first reported the news Sunday.

The Indians were one of eight teams on Lucroy's no trade list. The Indians will continue to try to convince Lucroy to change his mind and accept a trade to Cleveland, however, a source told ESPN's Buster Olney.

A two-time All-Star, Lucroy is batting .300 with 13 homers and 50 RBIs this season. He has a $4 million salary this year as part of a contract that includes a $5.25 million team option for 2017.




Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 12:18:13 PM)

Nix no-trades from the next CBA too.




Steve Lentz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 12:18:37 PM)

Chapman blows his 1st save opportunity for the Cubs.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 5:06:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Lucroy vetoes the trade to Cleveland [:-]

What a loser. Players nowadays aren't spoiled much, eh?




Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 5:52:45 PM)

Shows you winning isn't his priority.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 5:57:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Black 47

Shows you winning isn't his priority.



may be traded to tX

May be more interested in Rangers vs Tribe...for some reason.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 6:10:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Black 47

Shows you winning isn't his priority.


Honestly, my opinion of the guy has just plummeted.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 7:11:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Cleveland @Indians have their entire rotation, Andrew Miller and Cody Allen under control through at least 2018. Three shots at a ring.

Love how they've built things there
Tito the first big piece
They are LOADED




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 7:17:17 PM)

I keep my mouth shut and trust the Yankees usually .... but I'm struggling with this Miller move.
Cant see giving away a guy THAT unhittable.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 7:47:41 PM)

This is what I love about the National League

1. Bumgarner pinch-hits for Cain.
2. Bumgarner doubles.
3. Samardzija pinch-runs for Bumgarner.
4. Samardzija scores.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 9:03:29 PM)

Tribe doing what they had to do short-term
Yankees loading up for the future
Picked up 6-8 really solid prospects for two relievers.
Some very good, smart deals done this deadline ... No ones getting taken




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/31/2016 11:48:17 PM)

How come ... when Joe Maddon puts pitchers out in his OF .... they MAKE the plays?
Not sure why our young stars are making defense look so damn impossible.
Be ATHLETES




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 12:04:52 AM)

I usually don't talk much about salaries but this is interesting, re making bad deals and then overcoming them.


After years of bad deals, Yankees come to senses
Wallace Matthews
ESPN Staff Writer

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- Let it be recorded that July 31, 2016, is the date when the Yankees began to reap what they sowed nearly a decade earlier.

The seeds for the great sell-off -- and the Yankees can call it whatever they like, but if it quacks like a duck, please pass the sauce a l'orange -- were planted in December 2007, when someone in Yankees ownership (read: Hank Steinbrenner) decided to override the recommendation of general manager Brian Cashman and reward Alex Rodriguez with a contract extension and a raise.

This is not to be interpreted as blaming A-Rod for the Yankees' current plight; neither he nor his then-agent, Scott Boras, marched up to Hank’s office with a gun and a mask. The Yankees offered him the deal -- an unprecedented $275 million in salary and another potential $30 million in home-run bonuses -- and he would have been crazy not to take it. (And, crazy to walk away from it before every last dollar is paid.)

But the decision to make that deal, as well as the others that followed it -- eight years, $180 million for Mark Teixeira; seven years, $161 million for CC Sabathia, with two more years and $50 million more tacked on in 2011; seven years, $155 million for Masahiro Tanaka; seven years, $153 million for Jacoby Ellsbury; five years, $85 million for Brian McCann; and four years, $52 million each for Brett Gardner and Chase Headley -- ensured that this day would come, the day the Yankees would find themselves continuing to pay bills for goods and services that they had long stopped receiving.

The Yankees have paid Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez millions, long after their play on the field has justified it. And they're not the only pinstriped parasites. Elsa/Getty Images

For all that money, the Yankees bought themselves one World Series title -- and nearly a decade of disappointment and increasing mediocrity.

Hence the events of the past four years, in which this team has managed precisely one -- one! -- postseason game, which they lost, and the events of the past four months, in which an aging, overpaid and underperforming roster has struggled just to remain a .500 team, and the events of the past week, when the front office finally began to shed some of the relics of their past for what they hope will be the building blocks of their future.

As a result, Hal Steinbrenner, the frugal son of George and far more cautious brother of Hank, became the first owner in the history of the New York Yankees to preside over what has become known as a trade-deadline fire sale, an event that for the past decade or so has been commonplace everywhere but in the Bronx.

Since last Monday, the Yankees have made two big trades, and the odds are there are more tremors to come between now and 4 p.m. Monday, when the 2016 non-waiver trading period becomes history.

Over the past seven days, the Yankees have traded away two of the best closers in the game for a handful of promises as-yet-unkept, also known as prospects.

Some of them might turn out to be something someday -- shortstop Gleyber Torres, one of four players acquired from the Chicago Cubs for Aroldis Chapman, is considered a "can’t-miss" and outfielder Clint Frazier, one of the quartet of minor-leaguers stockpiled in exchange for Andrew Miller, was described as "electric," with bat speed considered "legendary," by Cashman on a conference call Sunday afternoon.

Of course, neither of them may ever get to the Bronx except on a trip to the zoo, but unlike nearly everyone on the current Yankees roster, their best days still seem to be ahead of them.

And for once, the Yankees might end up paying players for what they will do, not what they had accomplished for previous organizations. It represents a sea change in their thinking, prompted in no small part by the changing economics of a game they once dominated simply by throwing their wallets on the table.

“The chess board that we’re playing is not the same chess board that we were playing back when I started in the late '80s," Cashman said, meaning that the Yankees no longer own all the queens.

The rise of regional cable sports networks, an innovation of George Steinbrenner's, is now common practice, as is revenue-sharing and the luxury tax, measures instituted by Major League Baseball and the Players Association to offset the Yankees' tremendous financial advantages. The revenue streams now available to all have leveled the playing field drastically, and no longer can the New York Yankees outspend their rivals or plug the holes in their roster with more and more fistfuls of cash.

That was hardly a concern back in 2007, when the YES Network was still in its relative infancy and Alex Rodriguez was still regarded by many as the squeaky-clean savior of baseball in the post Bonds-McGwire-Sosa Era of excellence through chemistry.

At the time, A-Rod was coming off an MVP season and at 32 was in his athletic prime. The bookkeepers who run the Yankees -- count Randy Levine and Lonn Trost in on this one, too -- saw many dollar signs attached to the number 13, which is why they included the personal-services contract that continues to vex them to this day, the one that calls for a $6 million bonus for each of five home run “milestones," the next of which is home run No. 714. Luckily for all of them, A-Rod is unlikely to reach that number during his remaining 14 months as a Yankee, seeing as how he almost never plays anymore.

But the Yankees' greed and foolishness at the time -- imagine all the merchandise we can sell as A-Rod chases Willie, The Babe, Hank and Bonds! -- sparked a spending spree that has left them in the quandary they find themselves in now.

If he could find enough pigeons around the league, Cashman would gladly unload Sabathia, McCann, Headley, Ellsbury and Gardner. If he could convince the fiscally-responsible Steinbrenner -- that would be Hal, not Hank -- he would bid adieu to Teixeira and A-Rod, the remaining millions on their contracts notwithstanding.

And if he could convince Levine and Trost that the Yankees could survive a couple of lean years at the gate -- the debt service on Yankee Stadium 3.0 is larger than the gross national product of several small nations -- he would be more than happy to play the kids in his farm system, to fairly and accurately assess what he’s got and what he needs to build another Yankee dynasty.

Trading Chapman, Miller, and whoever else is destined to become an ex-Yankee by 4 p.m. ET Monday may seem like a rash decision borne by a pair of losses to a bad Tampa Bay Rays team over the weekend.

But in reality, it was nine years in the making -- and long, long overdue.




Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 5:09:22 AM)

Great read. Yankees are building something.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 11:20:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

How come ... when Joe Maddon puts pitchers out in his OF .... they MAKE the plays?
Not sure why our young stars are making defense look so damn impossible.
Be ATHLETES



Michael Phelps is a great athlete. I am sure he'd be a terrible OFer.

Miguel Sano is a great athlete when you put a bat in his hands. But put a mitt on one of them and he becomes Twinkletoes 2.0.

Athleticism isn't enough.

They need some instinct to play the position.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 12:19:47 PM)

11:56am: The Dodges and A’s are in agreement on a deal that will bring Josh Reddick and Rich Hill to Los Angeles, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter links). Young righty Jharel Cotton will be at least part of the package heading to Oakland in the swap, but he’s not the headliner, per Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, who tweets that several other youngsters will change hands.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 12:20:20 PM)

Jay Bruce to the Mets
11:47am: The Mets and Reds will have a deal, tweets Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports. Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that two low-level minor leaguers are going to the Reds alongside Nimmo.

11:32am: Outfield prospect Brandon Nimmo will be part of the package going to the Reds, reports Yahoo’s Tim Brown (on Twitter). Yahoo’s Jeff Passan tweeted that the Giants and Rangers tried to jump back into the mix with late offers on Bruce but did so too late.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 3:40:55 PM)

The Giants have reached agreement on a deal that will bring southpaw Matt Moore to San Francisco from the Rays

The Cubs acquired reliever Joe Smith from the Angels, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney. The Halos will receive minor league pitcher Jesus Castillo from the Cubs, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

The Mets have reacquired left-hander Jon Niese from the Pirates, reports Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports (on Twitter). Stephen J. Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette reports that lefty Antonio Bastardo is going back to the Pirates (Twitter link).

The Orioles acquired infielder Steve Pearce from the Rays, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. The Rays will receive 21-year-old High-A catcher Jonah Heim in return, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

The Rangers have agreed to a deal with the Brewers to land star catcher Jonathan Lucroy, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). There’s a reliever going in the deal, too, with top prospects Lewis Brinson and Luis Ortiz headed to Milwaukee, per MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan (via Twitter).

Jeremy Jeffress is included in the pact, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News tweets. There’s also a player to be named later going to the Brewers, Jon Morosi of MLB.com tweets.

Lucroy previously vetoed a proposed deal that would have sent him to the Indians, but his limited no-trade clause did not allow him to block a move to Texas.


The Pirates have reached a deal to acquire Ivan Nova from the Yankees, reports FanRag’s Jon Heyman (on Twitter). MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo tweets that the Yankees will get a player to be named later.

The Dodgers have struck a deal to acquire righty Jesse Chavez from the Blue Jays,




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 3:42:49 PM)

The Blue Jays are acquiring right-hander Scott Feldman from the Astros, reports

The Giants acquired left-handed reliever Will Smith from the Brewers, tweets Yahoo’s Jeff Passan. The Brewers will receive minor league pitcher Phil Bickford and catcher Andrew Susac,

The Rangers have reportedly agreed to a deal to acquire veteran outfielder Carlos Beltran from the Yankees. Righty Dillon Tate and at least one more lower-level prospect will head to New York in the deal.

The Indians designated third baseman Juan Uribe for assignment, according to an announcement from the team. The move clears a roster spot for new acquisition Brandon Guyer, acquired in a trade with the Rays today.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 3:43:10 PM)

Teams in the hunt going for it; one of the better deadline days in a while.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 3:45:35 PM)

All this trade talk has overshadowed the Billy Butler/ Gimenez event the other night.
Look it up if you didn't see it
Awesome stuff.
Don't F with an old timer
The ultimate "shut up, kid"




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 3:58:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

All this trade talk has overshadowed the Billy Butler/ Gimenez event the other night.
Look it up if you didn't see it
Awesome stuff.
Don't F with an old timer
The ultimate "shut up, kid"


Who is Gimenez to be mouthing off.

STFU kid.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 4:10:57 PM)

For Drew Hutchison

The Blue Jays have struck a late-breaking deal to acquire lefty Francisco Liriano from the Pirates, as Robert Murray of Fan Rag tweets. There are two prospects heading with Liriano to Toronto in the deal Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca tweets.




Phil Riewer -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 4:16:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

For Drew Hutchison

The Blue Jays have struck a late-breaking deal to acquire lefty Francisco Liriano from the Pirates, as Robert Murray of Fan Rag tweets. There are two prospects heading with Liriano to Toronto in the deal Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca tweets.

Apparently Russel Martin and Liriano were like Peas and Carrots when Martin was with Pirates......




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (8/1/2016 7:23:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

All this trade talk has overshadowed the Billy Butler/ Gimenez event the other night.
Look it up if you didn't see it
Awesome stuff.
Don't F with an old timer
The ultimate "shut up, kid"


Who is Gimenez to be mouthing off.

STFU kid.

I've got a couple stories like that one that honestly ... keep me alive somedays
Once you've seen someone "face" someone that bad ... or done it yourself ... it sticks with you.
Wasn't a big Butler fan ... but am now. You can only take so much shit from punk-ass kids. Loved how he had a comment for every infielder.




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