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Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:44:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:44:56 PM)

King Felix hoping to return to form and get the Mariners into contention.
"hey! It'll be just like making a trade!"




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:45:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:45:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I get your point
Its a good one [:D]




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:47:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.

GREAT fit, imo
Greinke flashbacks for me




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:48:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

And when those guys, in 2-3 years get close, we better stand pat and wait, and not give up anything, just in case something happens in another 2-3 years, right? [&:]




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:51:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

And when those guys, in 2-3 years get close, we better stand pat and wait, and not give up anything, just in case something happens in another 2-3 years, right? [&:]


That's the drill in Twins-land.

Better to be too cautious.

You'd swear Ryan was still in charge. That's the mindset.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:53:49 PM)

Two weeks ago, it was reported that while the Tigers were willing to discuss Justin Verlander in trades, they sought a significant prospect return and weren’t inclined to include any financial compensation to offset his sizable contract. Now, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Tigers have softened that stance and are willing to include “some” cash in a theoretical trade to help facilitate a deal. Verlander also has a full no-trade clause, though, so he’d need to green-light any deal the Tigers are interested in making, if such an opportunity even arises.

The 34-year-old Verlander is midway through the fifth season of a back-loaded seven-year, $180MM contract that calls for him to earn $28MM each year from now through 2019. Of this year’s $28MM, about $11.6MM remains, so adding that to the $56MM he’s owed in 2018-19 brings the total bill to just a shade under $68MM. Exactly what constitutes “some” cash for the Tigers isn’t clear, but given their desire to acquire top-shelf prospects, one can only imagine that the Tigers would need to pay off a significant amount of that remaining $68MM.

For all the name value that Verlander brings to the table, his 2017 performance has been underwhelming. His 4.4 BB/9 rate is the worst of his career, and his 8.4 K/9 rate is a notable departure from the 10.0 mark he posted in last year’s brilliant rebound campaign. Verlander’s chase rate, swinging-strike rate and contact rate are all among the worst of his career, and his 38.1 percent hard-contact rate represents a nearly 10 percent increase over his 2016 level. Beyond that, he’s averaging fewer than six innings per start for the first time as a Major Leaguer.

That’s a host of red flags, but to be fair to Verlander, his velocity is as strong as ever (95.1 mph average fastball), and his strikeout and home-run rates are still better than those of a league-average starter. There’s certainly value in the big righty, even if his 4.66 ERA isn’t anything to write home about. Verlander brings a wealth of postseason experience to the table, and given the proximity of last year’s dominance — 227 2/3 innings, 3.04 ERA, 10.0 K/9, 2.3 BB/9 — one can hardly rule out a return to form.

But, this year’s plethora of troublesome indicators will also make teams reluctant to surrender a haul of prospects, even with a chunk of his salary included. FanRag’s Jon Heyman, for instance, recently reported that there’s been little to no serious interest in Verlander to this point given all of the hurdles in the way of a trade. One exec with another AL club told ESPN’s Buster Olney this weekend: “If you trade a player with that kind of history, you want something to show for it coming back. I’m not sure they can get that.”

Talk of a Verlander trade probably won’t let up even in the seemingly likely event that he remains with the Tigers beyond July 31, however. That huge financial commitment makes it likely that he’ll clear revocable trade waivers in August, at which point he’ll again be free to be traded to any club (so long as he waives his no-trade clause to approve the deal). And if no deal comes to fruition in August, then his name figures to be frequently mentioned this winter as well.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:54:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

And when those guys, in 2-3 years get close, we better stand pat and wait, and not give up anything, just in case something happens in another 2-3 years, right? [&:]


That's the drill in Twins-land.

Better to be too cautious.

You'd swear Ryan was still in charge. That's the mindset.

just tryin to follow along ....
gotta be tough to know jusssssssst when to pull that magic cord




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:55:42 PM)

ye olde WINDOWS of OPPORTUNITY



SLAM !!!!!!!!!

We've seen a few of those.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:57:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

And when those guys, in 2-3 years get close, we better stand pat and wait, and not give up anything, just in case something happens in another 2-3 years, right? [&:]


That's the drill in Twins-land.

Better to be too cautious.

You'd swear Ryan was still in charge. That's the mindset.

just tryin to follow along ....
gotta be tough to know jusssssssst when to pull that magic cord


Sky divers don't pull the rip cord as soon as they jump out of the plane.

Twins sky divers don't even get into the plane.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:00:11 PM)

Bryce Harper should be happier

Even after acquiring Sean Doolittle and Ryan Madson from the A’s yesterday, the Nationals remain interested in bolstering their bullpen, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets. Tigers lefty Justin Wilson is of particular interest to them, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (also via Twitter), and Morosi notes that the Nats could also yet add a starting pitcher in the wake of Joe Ross’ season-ending injury.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:00:27 PM)

But ............................................ that one time we jumped, back in the 80s, my gosh that was fun.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:01:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Bryce Harper should be happier

Even after acquiring Sean Doolittle and Ryan Madson from the A’s yesterday, the Nationals remain interested in bolstering their bullpen, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets. Tigers lefty Justin Wilson is of particular interest to them, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (also via Twitter), and Morosi notes that the Nats could also yet add a starting pitcher in the wake of Joe Ross’ season-ending injury.

Didn't we used to wonder if Joe or Morneau would ever walk in and demand something?
We found out that answer.
Joe must not have changed much.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:03:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Bryce Harper should be happier

Even after acquiring Sean Doolittle and Ryan Madson from the A’s yesterday, the Nationals remain interested in bolstering their bullpen, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets. Tigers lefty Justin Wilson is of particular interest to them, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (also via Twitter), and Morosi notes that the Nats could also yet add a starting pitcher in the wake of Joe Ross’ season-ending injury.

Didn't we used to wonder if Joe or Morneau would ever walk in and demand something?
We found out that answer.
Joe must not have changed much.


Joe has his security. It's money

if he had more fire, they'd have a title. I truly believe that. Maybe more than one.

Fire to lead

Fire to demand.

Who was going to question him? He had the entire org by the balls if he wanted.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:05:02 PM)

Here you go

Buyers..but moreseo tire kickers

Sorry vets of 2017. you're not THAT important.

The Twins have let other clubs know that while they plan to be buyers at the deadline, they’ll act in a measured sense and won’t gut the upper echelon of their farm system in order to land a significant name. Minnesota has previously been linked to bullpen and rotation help, and while GM Thad Levine has outwardly suggested that the team will at least consider pursuing controllable assets this July,
Olney’s column casts some doubt on how strongly the Twins will be in the mix for the top names available (e.g. Gray).




sixthwi -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:30:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.



Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, plus at least 2 others would have to be traded I'm guessing.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:35:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Here you go

Buyers..but moreseo tire kickers

Sorry vets of 2017. you're not THAT important.

The Twins have let other clubs know that while they plan to be buyers at the deadline, they’ll act in a measured sense and won’t gut the upper echelon of their farm system in order to land a significant name. Minnesota has previously been linked to bullpen and rotation help, and while GM Thad Levine has outwardly suggested that the team will at least consider pursuing controllable assets this July,
Olney’s column casts some doubt on how strongly the Twins will be in the mix for the top names available (e.g. Gray).

"a measured sense"

[&:][&:][&:]




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:36:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sixthwi

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.



Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, plus at least 2 others would have to be traded I'm guessing.


A Gibson, Hughes, Santiago and Grossman package won't get it done????? [;)]




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:36:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Bryce Harper should be happier

Even after acquiring Sean Doolittle and Ryan Madson from the A’s yesterday, the Nationals remain interested in bolstering their bullpen, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets. Tigers lefty Justin Wilson is of particular interest to them, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (also via Twitter), and Morosi notes that the Nats could also yet add a starting pitcher in the wake of Joe Ross’ season-ending injury.

Didn't we used to wonder if Joe or Morneau would ever walk in and demand something?
We found out that answer.
Joe must not have changed much.


Joe has his security. It's money

if he had more fire, they'd have a title. I truly believe that. Maybe more than one.

Fire to lead

Fire to demand.

Who was going to question him? He had the entire org by the balls if he wanted.

Weird how we've been kind of meek, dull, vanilla, and wishy-washy, for years ..... hmmmm




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:37:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: sixthwi

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.



Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, plus at least 2 others would have to be traded I'm guessing.


A Gibson, Hughes, Santiago and Grossman package won't get it done????? [;)]

MAKE THAT DEAL !!!!!!




sixthwi -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:46:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: sixthwi

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.



Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, plus at least 2 others would have to be traded I'm guessing.


A Gibson, Hughes, Santiago and Grossman package won't get it done????? [;)]


Maybe if they throw in Belisle.




Phil Riewer -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 3:55:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sixthwi

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.



Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, plus at least 2 others would have to be traded I'm guessing.


Keep Gonsalves and send them Gordon, Polanco, and one of our power guys (Palka).




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/18/2017 8:28:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: sixthwi

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.



Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, plus at least 2 others would have to be traded I'm guessing.


Keep Gonsalves and send them Gordon, Polanco, and one of our power guys (Palka).



Then we have no middle infield for a few years. Not such a smart idea.

and happy birthday phil




sixthwi -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/18/2017 9:46:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: sixthwi

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching.
Couple of us will still be here. [:D]


Then they can trade off those guys that helped them get in contention

And wait on the guys they receive in a deal for 2-3 years.

That's always fun.

I want Sonny Gray.

We should be able to do this.



Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, plus at least 2 others would have to be traded I'm guessing.


Keep Gonsalves and send them Gordon, Polanco, and one of our power guys (Palka).


I doubt they would trade Gray to anyone without getting some pitching back.




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