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SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:31:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed 30 year celebration of a world series title this year. the other, 26 years ago. Glad some are content with that. Content to let another year go by without being in the playoffs. Next year we'll be better. Or the year after that or the year after that. Enjoy. I love it when Eds had enough [:D]

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:32:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed With Buxton out How would that have looked with McCutcheon out there? Better than Rosario, I'd bet. Now we pine for Granite and his youthful .077 out there. Ugh. McCutcheon???? HE SUCKS!!! HE'S DONE !!!! (yup, still chaffed about that) [&:][&:]

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:34:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Milwaukee is over-achieving, leading the division. Any bets they'll just go with what they have? I bet they'll try to get more pitching, whether it's successful or not. These opportunities don't come around for some teams nearly often enough. But... but .... but ........... And then something about "salary cap" restraints, and more blahblahblah We complain about being sheep and yet we all just keep buying the sheep feed.

Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:36:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Milwaukee is over-achieving, leading the division. Any bets they'll just go with what they have? I bet they'll try to get more pitching, whether it's successful or not. These opportunities don't come around for some teams nearly often enough. But... but .... but ........... And then something about "salary cap" restraints, and more blahblahblah We complain about being sheep and yet we all just keep buying the sheep feed. Ryan may be gone but his idea of having the team contend every year, and just be happy with that lives on. Tho some believe the Twins should be sellers and just wait another year or 20.

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:39:24 PM)
Simply, like you've said, Twins wouldn't have won the '87 title if they didn't make the playoffs. '91 was a different animal. This current team is really not much different than the '87 team imo. A couple emerging talents, TWO good pitchers, and not much else. Shit happens. Play to win until they tell you to go home.

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:41:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Milwaukee is over-achieving, leading the division. Any bets they'll just go with what they have? I bet they'll try to get more pitching, whether it's successful or not. These opportunities don't come around for some teams nearly often enough. But... but .... but ........... And then something about "salary cap" restraints, and more blahblahblah We complain about being sheep and yet we all just keep buying the sheep feed. We need CC Sabathia.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:42:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Simply, like you've said, Twins wouldn't have won the '87 title if they didn't make the playoffs. '91 was a different animal. This current team is really not much different than the '87 team imo. A couple emerging talents, TWO good pitchers, and not much else. Shit happens. Play to win until they tell you to go home. This current team is more like the 84 team that made a run at the playoffs than the 87 team. A couple good pitchers. A core of young players not quite having taken the next step and no real bullpen. Play to win now and in the future. Trade only for someone that can help more than just August and September this year.

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:42:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Milwaukee is over-achieving, leading the division. Any bets they'll just go with what they have? I bet they'll try to get more pitching, whether it's successful or not. These opportunities don't come around for some teams nearly often enough. But... but .... but ........... And then something about "salary cap" restraints, and more blahblahblah We complain about being sheep and yet we all just keep buying the sheep feed. We need CC Sabathia. AAAAA CC Sabathia type, yes AAAAA Dan Gladden-type move, yes That's all it takes some years

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:44:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Simply, like you've said, Twins wouldn't have won the '87 title if they didn't make the playoffs. '91 was a different animal. This current team is really not much different than the '87 team imo. A couple emerging talents, TWO good pitchers, and not much else. Shit happens. Play to win until they tell you to go home. This current team is more like the 84 team that made a run at the playoffs than the 87 team. A couple good pitchers. A core of young players not quite having taken the next step and no real bullpen. Play to win now and in the future. Trade only for someone that can help more than just August and September this year. Good retort. [sm=popcorn.gif]

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:49:56 PM)
I love it when people think just because we won in '87, that was a decent team. maybe as many glaring problems as any team that ever won a title. Once again, get to the Dance And dance your ass off once you're there Fake it if you have to. And gee, sometimes it'll carry you for decades You can brag about it for 20-30 years Not that they'd try that, but .....

Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 12:50:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed I guess the same should have been said about the 87 Twins. Should not have gone for it. Should not have made it out of the first round. Had no chance against the mighty Tigers. Not saying the same would happen with this bunch. Not at all. If you don't try. You don't have a shot of even getting there. This is not 87. There was a core of good players, a couple of studs at the top of the rotation in Viola and Blyleven who could carry a team in a playoff series that didn't include a wild card game and divisional round. Plus a closer and a could good set up guys. They added...Don Baylor. I don't remember who else they added. And the Tigers needed a herculean effort from Trade guy Doyle Alexander that year (do you know who they gave up for Doyle? a certain HALL OF FAMER for a rental) and the Tigers didn't make it to the World Series again until a couple years ago. You go for it when you are close. That Twins team had to get to the playoffs, win one series to get to the World Series, This is an entirely different animal. Steve Carlton Dan Schatzeder both were added as well. They tried. Some success. What did they give up? Little or nothing. Doyle Alexander pitched 2 more years in Detroit. That made him a 2 1/2 year rental. The 87 Twins won the division with 85 wins. This year's division could wind up the same way. Or a wild card spot. I like Gonsalves. There is no guarantee he or anyone close to his "rating" in the system, will be any good. None. Deals could be made where they get help in the long term. Quintana fans 12 with no walks moving over to the NL. Someone over there will get Sonny Gray. And we'll just have to be happy to have contended for over half the year. [&o] No we should be happy we contended at all after a 103 loss season. When Levine and Falvey took over I figured this to be a rebuilding project. EVERYONE is surprised by our success this year...and again. it is smoke and mirrors. This team is not ready for the big time. But it can be soon. This winning is good for the young guys, but this thing needs to be built LONGTERM. There are the Yankees, Red Sox, and Astros in this league...we would have to get past those guys in the successive playoff series. Be realistic. There is no chance of that happening. They need to stick with their original plan and keep building towards the next couple years. Just because you think they have a chance doesn't mean they do. The evidence is there on how we played against the best teams in the league...and I think we are going to get another bit of schooling the next few days with one of your favorite teams. I love that we are winning. I don't think we are close enough to wager the future for a short term fix. I think they should play it very cautiously. I would love us going to the playoffs, but the cynic in me says there is no chance this team makes and wins the world series. I'm not saying it can't happen. But don't mortgage the future unless you are really close. And this team isn't.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 1:03:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan I love it when people think just because we won in '87, that was a decent team. maybe as many glaring problems as any team that ever won a title. Once again, get to the Dance And dance your ass off once you're there Fake it if you have to. And gee, sometimes it'll carry you for decades You can brag about it for 20-30 years Not that they'd try that, but ..... The problem with this is we would be "dancing" against the equivalent of Gregory Hines, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly or Mikael Baryshnakov when we're nothing more than a contestant on Dancing with the Stars...

Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 1:06:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan I love it when people think just because we won in '87, that was a decent team. maybe as many glaring problems as any team that ever won a title. Once again, get to the Dance And dance your ass off once you're there Fake it if you have to. And gee, sometimes it'll carry you for decades You can brag about it for 20-30 years Not that they'd try that, but ..... The problem with this is we would be "dancing" against the equivalent of Gregory Hines, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly or Mikael Baryshnakov when we're nothing more than a contestant on Dancing with the Stars... So it's better to not make the dance, than dance? Got it. Every team wants controllable assets, especially pitching. Not everyone gets it. So you make do. And take your chances.

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 1:26:27 PM)
The Detroit Tigers of '87 were a juggernaut We stood little chance. Cards were stacked too.

MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 1:43:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan The Detroit Tigers of '87 were a juggernaut We stood little chance. Cards were stacked too. One thing about a young team like the 87 team. They get better as the season goes on. But they already had more experience with their core players than we have now. Our two best starters are Santana and Berrios. Berrios should continue to improve as the season progresses.....will he go 8-2 like he did pre all star break......no. But he will handle the missed dp by Polanco in his last outing better and he will not get as upset with incompetent umps while the life in him is squeezed out by the umps. As Trekkie noted, they did go through 84 to give them experience in being in a divisional race. Remember this game....... September 28 – The Twins suffered their biggest blown lead for a loss in team history. Leading Cleveland 10-0 in the third inning, and 10-2 in the sixth, they lost the 9-inning game 11-10. In the ninth, relievers Ron Davis and Ed Hodge loaded the bases. Hodge allowed a walk-off single. The game was discussed in Sports Illustrated and during the game, Gaetti had a key throwing error to allow Cleveland to get back into the game. Later, when asked about the error, the G-Man said it is pretty hard to throw the ball to first base when you have both hands around your neck. Still love the G-Man. The Twins should try to win but in reality, this season will be a great learning experience. Berrios needs a full season under his belt. I do not unload Santana unless I get a very good return. I try and get Sonny Gray and toss the Colon idea into t he dumpster where it belongs. I try and move Grossman. Yes......rather boring but I look to this offseason to really strengthen by trades or FA signings.

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 1:45:42 PM)
Two years ago this team didn't get eliminated until the final week of the season. In '87 Les Straker was counted on. Les Straker

MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 1:54:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Two years ago this team didn't get eliminated until the final week of the season. In '87 Les Straker was counted on. Les Straker Yes....I know.....but we have some key additions that had little to do with that team. Buxton though was up for Aug and Sept. Interesting, the team was 29-17 with him playing. Hicks wound up with a 721 ops and 350 at bats. No Kepler, no Polanco. But we did have one player that we don't have yet at this time. Torii.

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 1:59:30 PM)
somewhat like the supposed '84 success is all I'm saying.

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:00:16 PM)
The 11-10 collapse in Cleveland is one game I will never forget as long as I live. That was a soul crusher.

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:03:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MDK quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan The Detroit Tigers of '87 were a juggernaut We stood little chance. Cards were stacked too. One thing about a young team like the 87 team. They get better as the season goes on. But they already had more experience with their core players than we have now. Our two best starters are Santana and Berrios. Berrios should continue to improve as the season progresses.....will he go 8-2 like he did pre all star break......no. But he will handle the missed dp by Polanco in his last outing better and he will not get as upset with incompetent umps while the life in him is squeezed out by the umps. As Trekkie noted, they did go through 84 to give them experience in being in a divisional race. Remember this game....... September 28 – The Twins suffered their biggest blown lead for a loss in team history. Leading Cleveland 10-0 in the third inning, and 10-2 in the sixth, they lost the 9-inning game 11-10. In the ninth, relievers Ron Davis and Ed Hodge loaded the bases. Hodge allowed a walk-off single. The game was discussed in Sports Illustrated and during the game, Gaetti had a key throwing error to allow Cleveland to get back into the game. Later, when asked about the error, the G-Man said it is pretty hard to throw the ball to first base when you have both hands around your neck. Still love the G-Man. The Twins should try to win but in reality, this season will be a great learning experience. Berrios needs a full season under his belt. I do not unload Santana unless I get a very good return. I try and get Sonny Gray and toss the Colon idea into t he dumpster where it belongs. I try and move Grossman. Yes......rather boring but I look to this offseason to really strengthen by trades or FA signings. The blown 10-0 lead. One of my earliest baseball memories. Seemed impossible in those days.

twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:04:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Two years ago this team didn't get eliminated until the final week of the season. In '87 Les Straker was counted on. Les Straker I'm not sure we've seen a guy this season that could be more relied upon than Les Straker. Plus we'd need another guy, as 3-man rotations don't fly in the playoffs anymore.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:29:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan The Detroit Tigers of '87 were a juggernaut We stood little chance. Cards were stacked too. They were good, but they were not the 84 Tigers. Further we don't have to get past just one Juggernaut...which can be accomplished with a "you never know" kind of feeling, but we'd have to get past at least two just to get to the World Series and likely face a third. The chances here are, once again, not even on a dumb and dumber level...

Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:32:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan I love it when people think just because we won in '87, that was a decent team. maybe as many glaring problems as any team that ever won a title. Once again, get to the Dance And dance your ass off once you're there Fake it if you have to. And gee, sometimes it'll carry you for decades You can brag about it for 20-30 years Not that they'd try that, but ..... The problem with this is we would be "dancing" against the equivalent of Gregory Hines, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly or Mikael Baryshnakov when we're nothing more than a contestant on Dancing with the Stars... So it's better to not make the dance, than dance? Got it. Every team wants controllable assets, especially pitching. Not everyone gets it. So you make do. And take your chances. I would love to get there and dance. You are missing the point. I just don't think making a big trade under these circumstances is warranted. The odds are not in our favor, so much so that not even Han Solo would try these odds.

SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:38:50 PM)
Lets just hope we drop out of this thing as fast as possible so some of these guys can stop watching. Couple of us will still be here. [:D]

Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/17/2017 2:42:35 PM)
IF they improve via a deal, without mortgaging the future that is possible. Really, it is.

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